I think I would need to know the details of what was going on digitally for me to make a definitive opinion...we don’t know what he was doing on Snapchat, right? Simply opening snapchat doesn’t mean he was actively speaking to someone on the app. Was his Waze routed to home, or somewhere else? I agree the route is a bit odd to take to get to that area, but personally I had routed myself to the bucees (popular gas station in TX) in luling from San Marcos.But you're saying you think he might have missed the turn because it was dark and there were branches on the road? (taken from your previous post) What do you think about the fact he turned off Waze and Snapped with someone at that intersection? (which was when his digital footprint ends) Does that change your opinion at all about what could have happened at that intersection?
I completely agree with this. I do find it a bit odd that everyone is focusing on this snapchat thing when in reality it is not unheard of for someone to open a Snapchat while driving. Really just depends on the context of who and what he was snapping aboutIt's great to have people share perspectives and opinions. Multiple perspectives give the discussions depth.
Do we know for certain whether he received a snap or sent a snap?
If he received a snap, it might make sense if he impromptu checked to read a message at no place in particular. Theoretically, he could have gotten distracted by the snap message and missed the turn.
If he sent a snap, then he could have been meeting someone. He also could have been getting tired or bored and just happened to snap chat someone. It is ominous that he disappeared very close to that time, though. Causation? Correlation?
On at least some phones, even though you can't see the actual message, you can see who the last person was that sent the snap. Wonder if this information is known?
In any case, the warrant to snap chat is very important in the direction of what happened to Jason.
Off topic but why hasn't my google maps for Salt Flat Rd been updated since 2011? Come on Google....
So, if Waze was turned off or muted, there would be no obvious, easy to see alert that you should turn rather than continue straight and that road turns to Salt Flat Rd.No no, it took me to the intersection where you could either go straight and it turn into SFR, or turn right to head towards the interstate. I took the right turn. I didn’t mean for it to come off like I went to SFR, I was just at that same intersection.
If you look at the previous thread (#4) there are several videos from @JimWest that show what the road and some nearby areas of interest currently look like.Off topic but why hasn't my google maps for Salt Flat Rd been updated since 2011? Come on Google....
I completely agree with this. I do find it a bit odd that everyone is focusing on this snapchat thing when in reality it is not unheard of for someone to open a Snapchat while driving. Really just depends on the context of who and what he was snapping about
i think it is quite critical, for two reasons: one, Jason had never driven this route before (and not at night), and was the type to rely on Waze heavily. So the fact that the he turned it off (or opened the app, which disabled Waze) before this intersection is quite peculiar.
I think so too.Google Maps
I recall reading that he turned off his Waze and checked Snapchat at the intersection of South Hackberry and E. Austin which is about 5 blocks prior to the intersection where he should have turned right to go to Rt. 10. I put a Google Map link to that intersection a page or so ago because upon looking at it, I couldn't figure out why he would do that there. There isn't a light or any apparent reason he would slow down and pull up his phone and do that. I think he had arrived in Luling and had reason to make contact with someone and I think he went down Salt Flat Road on purpose. MOO MOO MOO
Even if he accidentally missed the turn, i don’t think he would have driven that far down the road when clearly it was getting desolate. And if his phone was stuck between the seat and it started getting darker and more remote, why wouldn’t he stop and dig out his phone or turn into a driveway and turn around. MOO
I dated a fella that came from a religious family. At 20 he first started learning about socialization and drugs. When I learnt about drugs I was with people learning about drugs..younger age. Nobody I know smokes dope or tobacco in cars. So I think he just did something..could be alcohol or who knows...and things went sides.
It was his families car..not his car. For resale value most people will not smoke in car. But yes..true some people's do smoke in car's. Used to call it hot boxing.People do smoke both dope and tobacco in cars. I've been behind cars smoking up a storm as they drive down the street, cigarette out the window so as not to "stink up the car" (sorry, it doesn't work). I've also smelled pot coming from the car ahead of me. I've seen people flick butts out the window (don't even get me started on that. It ticks me off for a few reasons). I've also seen people hang out in parked cars smoking. I've seen tweakers in cars. Lastly, Jamisha Gilbert was smoking "a few joints in a car" (per statements given to LE) with 3 other people (that's 4 total right there) shortly before she was found dead. So it does happen, whether you've witnessed it or not. Kinda like the question... if a tree falls in the woods and no one is around to hear it, does it still make a sound? My answer is yes. lol It does.
But if Waze didn't say anything (and the one report said Waze was closed when Snapchat opened or something similar to that), he may have assumed he was still on the correct path and would meet up with the interstate or a road leading to the interstate soon.Even if he accidentally missed the turn, i don’t think he would have driven that far down the road when clearly it was getting desolate. And if his phone was stuck between the seat and it started getting darker and more remote, why wouldn’t he stop and dig out his phone or turn into a driveway and turn around. MOO
It was his families car..not his car. For resale value most people will not smoke in car. But yes..true some people's do smoke in car's. Used to call it hot boxing.
Will you elaborate? (His family’s car, not his)
As in Jason was driving his family’s car?
I don’t recall seeing that. I know it was stated the registered owner of the car was Jason’s father.
IMO, that just means his father bought the vehicle (for Jason or handed it down to Jason, etc), but it was considered Jason’s car. This is pretty normal to see. JMO.
Agree it was a kid car bought by a parent .That's my take as well. A lot of parents will buy a child a used car. They're not expecting it back. There was nothing special about the car. MOO
Here are the estimated values of a 2003 Altima per edmunds. I think it was on the lower end. The car didn't look all that great and I'm not talking about just the wrecked condition. Also, it wasn't very tidy/clean inside so he obviously (to me) wasn't treating it with high respect like it was his dad's car that he needed to give back at one point. Again, MOO.
2003 Nissan Altima Value - $465-$3,181 | Edmunds