TX - Terri 'Missy' Bevers, 45, killed in church/suspect in SWAT gear, 18 Apr 2016 #43

[janesmith787]

This is a good point, and this is why smart women in any “provider” type of business draw clear boundaries with clients. Some become obsessed, and misinterpret attention as part of a service, personal training or whatever, as a signal for potential intimacy.

I’ve received messages from random men on Facebook who aren’t my friend (spammers)...to me there’s a difference in recognizing it as what it is and being completely creeped out by something JMO.
We have no idea what the message said. It may/may not be related to why she quit going to the gym she was part of 2 weeks before.


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[rosesfromangels]

I’ve received messages from random men on Facebook who aren’t my friend (spammers)...to me there’s a difference in recognizing it as what it is and being completely creeped out by something JMO.
We have no idea what the message said. It may/may not be related to why she quit going to the gym she was part of 2 weeks before.


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I think you just made the most compelling point yet for the “hit” speculation. A personal trainer relies heavily on networking and connections from the gym. It is their mothership. They also enjoy a rather elevated status due to their fitness level, and many enjoy that admiration, as well as enjoy helping others. It is very notable that she stopped going to her gym. Her BF, and most likely the gym would know why. Obviously she didn’t want to see someone there.

It does sound like Missy might have gotten over her head in some situation?

All this being said, the video still isn’t matching up to a premeditated hit IMO. But, the points you are making are good ones.

 

[arkansasmimi]

That wasn't my point.

Why not just go in wet? What does he care if he's dry or not? But it does appear from the videos that he is dry.
Specifically, the helmet. I think he dried off and changed clothes. And I believe he brought the helmet with him. He's smart enough not to leave wet tracks
from his shoes. He may have mopped up a bit in the kitchen.

And who"s going to hear anything? He"s in the middle of nowhere.

SP had to go out that night. This was the opportune time to murder Missy.
He knew she would be all alone in the church, her husband was away, and her kids were snug in bed at home.

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If wet potentially DNA could come off with water? :thinking:

 

[ezrah]

This is a good point, and this is why smart women in any “provider” type of business draw clear boundaries with clients. Some become obsessed, and misinterpret attention as part of a service, personal training or whatever, as a signal for potential intimacy.

Imo MB was smart but naive. Her life was somewhat of an open book based on her very open social media account. She had hundreds of “friends” and posted publicly. Many aspects of her life were visible to anyone who cared to follow.


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[rosesfromangels]

Imo MB was smart but naive. Her life was somewhat of an open book based on her very open social media account. She had hundreds of “friends” and posted publicly. Many aspects of her life were visible to anyone who cared to follow.


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Her livlihood was dependent on a “following”, a community of gladiators. Many fitness guru types do similar to stimulate business. However, crossing the line with too much personal detail is always a bad idea IMO.

 

[ezrah]

Fair enough, but if it was targeted, that damage would create something like a 50/50 chance MB would discover it before the murder could even happen.

I understand creating a diversion in evidence, but how worth it would it be if the planned crime had a strong chance of not happening as a direct result of the ruse?

MOO Well keep in mind there are 30 minutes of video and we’ve seen only a couple of diced/ spliced segments that LE put together to show the gait of the suspect. We do not know what MB saw or what the perp did during the other 28 minutes. Also I recall a poster here way back saying that their business had CCTV and the videos from their system looked more well lit than they actually were. This could be the case w the COC video as perp wore a headlamp. Perhaps MB could not see much as she entered.
ArkansasMimi, NIN or others if you are reading along can you refresh us on the speed of the video?


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[ezrah]

I thought you guys knew something I had missed. Looking at that video again, and considering your list, I still can’t agree with your assessment. The Perp does not look like they are getting ready for a kill. They are fuddling about, not getting ready to attack. They were surprised by Missy and lashed out is what that video is strongly suggesting.

Now if you know something like she had been having an affair and a betrayed spouse had threatened revenge, then that would sway this in favor of your theory. So far I have not heard any concrete evidence of anything like that.
If you know otherwise then please share and I will re-examine. Otherwise, the video does not appear to support your speculation, at least the part we have been shown.

Respectfully, my amateur opinion and speculation.

We have had some clues based on a few SW affidavits. So we have short snippets of video edited together by LE, Pressers from LE, a few affidavits, a video from SWFA that may or may not be related, MBs visible posts, family media interviews, Scott Brooks articles, MT letters to killer. Those should all be available in the media thread. I probably missed a few but the video imo is just a clue but should not be the totality of why targeted vs not targeted. JMHO


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[GA_Peach]

I think they did it to cause the confusion that we’ve been discussing since it happened; targeted or untargeted.

IMO perp knew her routine and exactly where she would walk in and this was well planned out. It’s almost like it was a game to them to be able to roam around waiting on her. JMO


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BBM

Exactly. I don't think that SP intended for us to still be having this conversation 21 months later. I think that the staged burglary was to throw off LE in the first few hours of the investigation. Those hours are critical in any investigation, and for those of us who have followed the case from the beginning, a botched theft was exactly what LE initially thought. It wasn't until later in the day that they came out and said that MB had been "targeted". While LE was examining the video evidence, SP was busy cleaning up and discarding evidence. All of the evidence was gone before LE even knew what happened.

JMO If targeted then perp wanted it to look like a break in/ burglary so LE and others would think MB was in the wrong place at the wrong time


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100% this, especially during those first few critical hours.

Fair enough, but if it was targeted, that damage would create something like a 50/50 chance MB would discover it before the murder could even happen.

I understand creating a diversion in evidence, but how worth it would it be if the planned crime had a strong chance of not happening as a direct result of the ruse?

BBM

That is why SP was careful not to create any damage that MB would see upon entering CCoC. All of the smashed windows and broken doors were along the north and east hallways. Not coincidentally IMO, MB entered in the SW corner of the building. She never knew anything was amiss in the back of the building. He never put his mission in jeopardy because he attacked and killed MB before she had any chance of seeing the vandalism in the back of the church.

I’ve received messages from random men on Facebook who aren’t my friend (spammers)...to me there’s a difference in recognizing it as what it is and being completely creeped out by something JMO.
We have no idea what the message said. It may/may not be related to why she quit going to the gym she was part of 2 weeks before.


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Missy knew something was amiss in the final few weeks of her life. Beside stopping going to that particular gym, she also was showing one of her friends "creepy" social media messages. Also, don't forget that MT talked about BB warning Missy to "be prepared".

On a separate note, why would SP wear a light on his helmet? I rewatched the video from CCoC several times last night, and the headlamp kept jumping out at me. Why not a flashlight? Did SP know that he was going to need both of his hands free for other tasks? Why would SP need any additional light at all? Does the headlamp tell us anything about SP? It befuddles me.

One more thing. If this was a wrong place and wrong time scenario, why did the perp not just flee when he heard MB? Although I have many reasons for believing this was targeted, this is the one that is most difficult for me to overlook. On a related note, where in CCoC would MB and SP crossed paths where SP could not run away? Is there anywhere besides the bathrooms? If not, I am hard pressed to believe that MB startled SP and then he suddenly killed her. Based on the wording of the SW, I do not believe that MB was killed right by the SW entrance, the location of the restrooms. The SW states that MB walked down the hall until she was out of range, which does not jibe with a murder location right by the SW doors.

 

[arkansasmimi]

MOO Well keep in mind there are 30 minutes of video and we’ve seen only a couple of diced/ spliced segments that LE put together to show the gait of the suspect. We do not know what MB saw or what the perp did during the other 28 minutes. Also I recall a poster here way back saying that their business had CCTV and the videos from their system looked more well lit than they actually were. This could be the case w the COC video as perp wore a headlamp. Perhaps MB could not see much as she entered.
ArkansasMimi, NIN or others if you are reading along can you refresh us on the speed of the video?


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I know nothing about speed of MPD released video. I know we were told the other parts of videos as in ea cameras recording, were very grainy and Suspect doing much of the same. Nor do I know how much video they have or what time was last time stamp prior to campers entering.
ETA if you look there are some lights on. Like maybe every other is so. So not completely dark. Jmho I would think may too the cameras have infrared lighting to video too?

 

[MittenScarpetta]

I thought you guys knew something I had missed. Looking at that video again, and considering your list, I still can’t agree with your assessment. The Perp does not look like they are getting ready for a kill. They are fuddling about, not getting ready to attack. They were surprised by Missy and lashed out is what that video is strongly suggesting.

Now if you know something like she had been having an affair and a betrayed spouse had threatened revenge, then that would sway this in favor of your theory. So far I have not heard any concrete evidence of anything like that.
If you know otherwise then please share and I will re-examine. Otherwise, the video does not appear to support your speculation, at least the part we have been shown.

Respectfully, my amateur opinion and speculation.

If it wasn’t targeted, why murder her with such brutality?. Respectfully, the church would have been poorly lit, as we learned long ago in previous threads. The sp was disguised head to toe in all black and it appears only their eyes were showing, from the video we have seen. If Missy came upon the sp and startled them in an interrupted burglary, why would the sp beat her to death upon her head and chest? Why not just hit her to startle her and run? It’s also very curious that in a church that size with so many rooms, that Missy would even run into the sp, unless the sp was waiting in an area they knew she would be. We know that sp took nothing from the building, h/she didn’t take her jewelry she had on, h/she also didn’t take any valuables from her truck. And they also mysteriously managed to commit a murder out of view of the camera AND escape the church without being seen on camera. AND from what we know, missy was found in the Southwest corner of the building. There doesn’t appear to be anything of value in the Southwest corner of the building, IMO, so why would the sp be hanging out in that area if h/she was there to steaI? IMO, thieves don’t necessarily take their time when breaking into a building. This person appeared to dawdle around, as if they were just waiting for her to arrive. They broke random things, gave up on getting into a door they couldn’t seem to breech with their tools, and didn’t seem to be very interested with what was inside the rooms they did open the doors too. There’s just too many coincidences for this crime to not be targeted. MOO

 

[ezrah]

I know nothing about speed of MPD released video. I know we were told the other parts of videos as in ea cameras recording, were very grainy and Suspect doing much of the same. Nor do I know how much video they have or what time was last time stamp prior to campers entering.

Thanks Mimi. I always defer to you to keep us fact based so wondered if you might know


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[arkansasmimi]

BBM

Exactly. I don't think that SP intended for us to still be having this conversation 21 months later. I think that the staged burglary was to throw off LE in the first few hours of the investigation. Those hours are critical in any investigation, and for those of us who have followed the case from the beginning, a botched theft was exactly what LE initially thought. It wasn't until later in the day that they came out and said that MB had been "targeted". While LE was examining the video evidence, SP was busy cleaning up and discarding evidence. All of the evidence was gone before LE even knew what happened.



100% this, especially during those first few critical hours.


BBM

That is why SP was careful not to create any damage that MB would see upon entering CCoC. All of the smashed windows and broken doors were along the north and east hallways. Not coincidentally IMO, MB entered in the SW corner of the building. She never knew anything was amiss in the back of the building. He never put his mission in jeopardy because he attacked and killed MB before she had any chance of seeing the vandalism in the back of the church.



Missy knew something was amiss in the final few weeks of her life. Beside stopping going to that particular gym, she also was showing one of her friends "creepy" social media messages. Also, don't forget that MT talked about BB warning Missy to "be prepared".

On a separate note, why would SP wear a light on his helmet? I rewatched the video from CCoC several times last night, and the headlamp kept jumping out at me. Why not a flashlight? Did SP know that he was going to need both of his hands free for other tasks? Why would SP need any additional light at all? Does the headlamp tell us anything about SP? It befuddles me.

One more thing. If this was a wrong place and wrong time scenario, why did the perp not just flee when he heard MB? Although I have many reasons for believing this was targeted, this is the one that is most difficult for me to overlook. On a related note, where in CCoC would MB and SP crossed paths where SP could not run away? Is there anywhere besides the bathrooms? If not, I am hard pressed to believe that MB startled SP and then he suddenly killed her. Based on the wording of the SW, I do not believe that MB was killed right by the SW entrance, the location of the restrooms. The SW states that MB walked down the hall until she was out of range, which does not jibe with a murder location right by the SW doors.

Yep I totally agree!

 

[KaaBoom]

Why would a church hide deposits anywhere but a safe in the office? Makes no sense that someone would be looking for something of value in a children’s classroom. Also, not all churches do this...but, a lot will do the deposit on Sunday via the deposit box.

Still can’t wrap my mind around how this could be anything but targeted. My reasoning as been made clear throughout the threads. They knew they were on video and knew they had to throw investigators off. You don’t put all that on just to maybe find a small deposit.

Why not?

 

[KaaBoom]

It is hardly far fetched. But then, I wonder if you're not reading all the posts. I've already answered all your "points" in previous posts. Respectfully, if you get a chance, go back and read those replies.

Which posts? Could you give me a hint? There over 700 in this thread alone.

 

[janesmith787]

Why not?

As has been hashed and rehashed 100x throughout these threads....nothing was taken.

As far as leaving a deposit, why would you leave it anywhere except an office where you counted the money? What is the logic that it would be anywhere else? It’s not like the church staff knew this horrendous murder was going to happen.


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[KaaBoom]

No offense, but what's "far fetched" is the notion that someone got dressed in fake swat gear, went to a church/center at 4am, broke in in order to cause minor and meaningless damage to a few things but then somehow ended up bludgeoning a woman to death with a hammer. That's "far fetched". The person was there at that time, dressed as they were dressed, and armed with a hammer because he/she was there to kill Missy Bevers. I agree, though, that this person needed to have intimate knowledge of Missy's schedule and movements.

No, far fetched is someone wanting to murder a church lady, physical fitness trainer, who probably didn't have an enemy in the world, and going through the extremes that this person went through to do it. Including doing extensive damage to a church building, and taking an insane amount of risk by murdering her just a few minutes before her students showed up. To say nothing about the tremendous amount of planning it would have taken to do it, including not only somehow learning her personal schedule and routine, but that of her entire family as well.

 

[janesmith787]

The damage wasn’t too extensive to the church considering they had prayer service 2 days later. Broken windows aren’t too hard to fix, and I’m sure the doors weren’t too hard to either. I maybe missing something, but didn’t see much damage in the hallways where perp walked? They weren’t very destructive IMO.


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[KaaBoom]

]Perhaps the SP did know MBs husband would be out of town, after all, BB posted it onto his FB pg the month before, in March. In most murders of a spouse, it is common for LE to investigate the surviving spouse thoroughly. BBs bucket list trip even have some of us most curious. With that stated, it was a golden opportunity to kill MB since her husband was out of town, SP knew LE would be busy digging into BBs activities.

1. How would the killer know that his plans hadn't changed? A month is a pretty long time. 2. Why would the killer even care if he was out of town, or at home?

]Not sure what you mean by "she almost wasn't" alone. Her daughter typically attended the next CG training class with her mother. After the 5am class ended, MB would return home to get two daughters prepared for school. Then, her other daughter would go to the next training session with her mother. Only one trainer is needed for a CG session. MB was not known to be late for her jobs. And, by the way, CGs did arrive at the Church very early. They simply stayed in their cars until 5am.

She would not have been alone if the first camper had arrived just 15 minutes earlier. Probably there were already outside, when he was leaving anyway. You don't think that would seem a little risky to try and kill an instructor just as or minutes before her students are to show up? What if her daughter had gotten up early and decided to go to the early class instead of the later one? How would the killer know what her daughters plans were?

]SP was not nervous one bit. The light tapping of his fingers along the wall was a sign of confidence. SP was performing simple search and clear missions in the Church. SP was trained to withhold emotions while maintaining vigilance. SP knew the plan of a near perfect crime would keep SP out of prison.

How is bludgeoning a physical fitness trainer to death, just as her student are arriving outside a perfect crime? It sounds more like the work of a mad man.

 

[KaaBoom]

Just a thought, a question.
If you were going to subdue a super fit woman, wouldn’t it make more sense to wear less cumbersome clothing? The Perp could have achieved anonymity with something easier to maneuver in. The helmet, in particular, would make movements laborious. Unless they are used to wearing one, as in a motorcyclist.

I believe his main concern was hiding his identity from the security cameras. That overrode any negatives to his choice of clothing.

 

[KaaBoom]

I think they did it to cause the confusion that we’ve been discussing since it happened; targeted or untargeted.

IMO perp knew her routine and exactly where she would walk in and this was well planned out. It’s almost like it was a game to them to be able to roam around waiting on her. JMO

How did the killer know that? I'm not talking her social media posts. How would he know where she would walk in?

Why was he so interested in breaking glass? If this was a murder game for him why was he not preparing for the murder instead of engaging in petty vandalism, which could have tipped her off if she saw the broken glass?