TX - Terri 'Missy' Bevers, 45, killed in church/suspect in SWAT gear, 18 Apr 2016 #43

[Tippy Lynn]

Yes, I see his Tapatalk has been disabled and I tried private messaging but it didn't go through. I figured he may have been tired of jibber jabbing.

The green light was on, however just this afternoon next to his non avatar.
And he sent info re the snippet just 12 hours ago. Maybe he"s using the WS
site and not Tapatalk.

Anyway, I hope he is still here. He gave great contributions. Maybe he"s concerned for his safety.

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He’s not a member of WS (tapatalk and WS site). I hope he’s ok and he comes back!

 

[Razz]

Most respectfully, there may have been a slight misunderstanding as my post was not so much about glorifying anyone as it was about this:

When anyone misconstrues the evidence and intentionally misleads the threads and manipulates discussions, it is time to pay attention. I did. I am not sorry that I did.

What?! I don't know of anyone who is misleading or trying to dominate the thread, or misconstruing evidence.

And who is being glorified?

Call me oblivious but things seem to have taken a strange turn here.

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[SteveS]

Your post doesn't deserve an answer, but I'm going to answer it once, then I won't be addressing you, again.

No, when my best friend was 11, and her mother died unexpectedly from a heart attack, I didn't think she was overreacting by her emotional struggles afterward. Yes, it is quite normal for a little girl to feel fear and go through a multitude of emotions after her mother dies. In fact, I started having nightmares that my own mother either died or ran away. I guess you weren't around to tell us we were overreacting and just not normal. Mercy.

You misconstrued my post, so I'll say it again another way because I think the point needs to be made.

I don't agree with attacks on the family when they - the victims of a brutal evil act - respond in a different way than bystanders want them to. Human reactions and response to tragedy, and how to cope with it, is a very personal thing, and to imply they MUST respond to the realities of an evil tragedy and work through it in this way or that of OUR choosing, or the way we or our friends once did, is not fair, and imo a needless criticism on that family dealing with a tragedy.

I also will say, without meaning to preach or criticize anyone else's view, that I believe the family is responding from a Biblical approach to dealing with life's tragedies, and because I share their Biblical view, perhaps I understand it and accept it when others do not. Christians are commanded not to live in fear, but rather in faith, even though they too suffer tragedies. The fact that God commands such an approach tells me that living without fear, but rather with faith, is certainly an option for the Christ-follower. In 2 Timothy we are told that "God gives us a spirit that is not of fear but of power and love and self-control" and Psalm 23 says that "even though I walk through the valley of the shadow of death, I will fear no evil, because God is with me" and all through the Bible it tells us to live in faith (which is the opposite of fear), and the fact this family is choosing not to act in ways of fear is imo a testament to their faith rather than something to criticize.

To be clear, my point about your friend (as well as you, from your later post) is not that your friend was overreacting, but rather that you accepted whatever happened anecdotally in their life (and yours) as the model that MB's family must adopt, perhaps without ever allowing for the idea that there may be a different and perhaps even better way for MB's family to respond. You shared that all of you lived in fear of that event recurring with you (a medical anomaly that in no way truly threatened any of you). Perhaps MB's family is looking for (and maybe even has found) a better way.

Again, I am not trying to attack you or your friend, but rather to say that MB's family's choices don't have to be the same ones you guys had in order to be accepted. IMO I think it's imperative we allow them to cope in whatever way they believe is best for them, and we should hope and pray that they DON'T have to live with irrational fears haunting them as a result of what happened to MB. Without meaning to attack you or yours, I do support that family.

 

[KaaBoom]

If the family isn't actively pushing to find the killer, will the case go cold?

This case has been cold since about a month or two after the murder. Within weeks they started cutting back the investigative team, because they didn't have enough leads to keep them busy.

 

[KaaBoom]

I don't blame him one bit. He has to work and raise three kids and he can't put his job or them aside to search for the murderer. There are many police officers working the case, but the kids only have one parent.

And, he is right. Missy was a very special person, striving hard and reaching goals in life. She was a involved mom, and had many friends and family members who adored her. She inspired people to reach beyond their present and into the future. I am still going to the gym twice a week because of the story of her physical transformation. So, there's that. Thanks Missy!

I agree 100%, except about many police officers working on the case. I believe it has been reported that there is one police officer working on the case. I think both BB and the police, know that this case is not likely to ever be solved. So the family just has to move on.

 

[Gae]

You misconstrued my post, so I'll say it again another way because I think the point needs to be made.

I don't agree with attacks on the family when they - the victims of a brutal evil act - respond in a different way than bystanders want them to. Human reactions and response to tragedy, and how to cope with it, is a very personal thing, and to imply they MUST respond to the realities of an evil tragedy and work through it in this way or that of OUR choosing, or the way we or our friends once did, is not fair, and imo a needless criticism on that family dealing with a tragedy.

I also will say, without meaning to preach or criticize anyone else's view, that I believe the family is responding from a Biblical approach to dealing with life's tragedies, and because I share their Biblical view, perhaps I understand it and accept it when others do not. Christians are commanded not to live in fear, but rather in faith, even though they too suffer tragedies. The fact that God commands such an approach tells me that living without fear, but rather with faith, is certainly an option for the Christ-follower. In 2 Timothy we are told that "God gives us a spirit that is not of fear but of power and love and self-control" and Psalm 23 says that "even though I walk through the valley of the shadow of death, I will fear no evil, because God is with me" and all through the Bible it tells us to live in faith (which is the opposite of fear), and the fact this family is choosing not to act in ways of fear is imo a testament to their faith rather than something to criticize.

To be clear, my point about your friend (as well as you, from your later post) is not that your friend was overreacting, but rather that you accepted whatever happened anecdotally in their life (and yours) as the model that MB's family must adopt, perhaps without ever allowing for the idea that there may be a different and perhaps even better way for MB's family to respond. You shared that all of you lived in fear of that event recurring with you (a medical anomaly that in no way truly threatened any of you). Perhaps MB's family is looking for (and maybe even has found) a better way.

Again, I am not trying to attack you or your friend, but rather to say that MB's family's choices don't have to be the same ones you guys had in order to be accepted. IMO I think it's imperative we allow them to cope in whatever way they believe is best for them, and we should hope and pray that they DON'T have to live with irrational fears haunting them as a result of what happened to MB. Without meaning to attack you or yours, I do support that family.

The father is quoted in the article as saying he's "trying to figure out how to make their young daughters feel safe again" and in the tv interview, he says he's trying to help the girls move past their pain. So when the father is telling us his daughters don't feel safe and are in pain - I'm going to believe him. It has nothing to do with me forcing "irrational fears" on them. Three little girls had their mother bludgeoned to death with a pick hammer by an unknown person. Their father says they have problems feeling safe and issues with pain. Believe him! Not because we want that for the girls, but because it's the truth. As much as you'd like to preach at them that God commands them to live without fear and pain, real life doesn't usually work that way - especially after someone takes a pick hammer to your mom's head.

 

[Cryptic]

Personally, if it were my family member I’d lay out some cash to bring someone in from the outside that had expertise in this area, and be on the phone trying to generate interest and coverage, but I don’t have all the facts. It seems like we should have enough information by now. Whoever solves this should be a hero and get a nice reward that would recognize their efforts.

Great over all post.

In regards to the above, your recommendation reminds me of a murder in South Carolina (victim was also targeted) where the effort to find the perpetrator seemed to be faltering despite the clues and despite the reward money.

The family then hired a retired detective who had spent his whole life in the area (semi rural area with a largely black population). He knew the culture, the people, the area, the gossip etc.

Anyways, the detective in question walked / drove around talking to people face to face about the crime, church news, local football, unrelated gossip etc. He would also take the $20,000 dollar reward money- in bills, no generic check, out of a paper sack at the end of the interview. He placed it on the hood of his car, the porch etc let the other person well... ponder it.

Then, he would gather it up, say goodbye and let the person know he was going to talk to somebody else about the case that very day- but the early bird tip wise would get the reward. Soon, the tip line was ringing off the hook with renewed interest and good, specific tips. The crime was solved quickly.

 

[Gae]

Great over all post.

In regards to the above, your recommendation reminds me of a murder in South Carolina (victim was also targeted) where the effort to find the perpetrator seemed to be faltering despite the clues and despite the reward money.

The family then hired a retired detective who had spent his whole life in the area (semi rural area with a largely black population). He knew the culture, the people, the area, the gossip etc.

Anyways, the detective in question walked / drove around talking to people face to face about the crime, church news, local football, unrelated gossip etc. He would also take the $20,000 dollar reward money- in bills, no generic check, out of a paper sack at the end of the interview. He placed it on the hood of his car, the porch etc let the other person well... ponder it.

Then, he would gather it up, say goodbye and let the person know he was going to talk to somebody else about the case that very day- but the early bird tip wise would get the reward. Soon, the tip line was ringing off the hook with renewed interest and good, specific tips. The crime was solved quickly.

Interesting. Seeing the cash really made a difference.

Does anyone know if a private detective was hired to find Missy's killer? If not, why not?

 

[Oregonmama]

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In fairness, he and the two older girls went on national television in the upcoming days and did an interview. I am not really sure that we have any better idea of what BB is or is not doing.

I guess it's more important for those who are still here to move on and have a "normal" life than to have justice for a murdered loved one. I cannot pretend that I will ever understand that reasoning. I have said for the past several months that not a single person in this case has demanded justice for MB. However, people don't seem to flinch at just moving on. It's so sad and heartbreaking.

On a related note, I am sad to see that CB is now a former member of WS. I am not sure if he left of his own accord or was removed, but he has brought much new information to MB's case in the recent months. I applaud his efforts to bring her case to light and hopefully one day reach a resolution. Missy's thread certainly won't be the same.

We have no idea what the family thinks or feels. Ppl display their emotions differently and honestly they are being victimized again when they are disected by their actions. One person may like wine but another needs their beer. The thread is about Missy and not about the posters that comment on the case. Jmo, but many ppl are fearful of how Ellis county is operating.

 

[Boudy]

You misconstrued my post, so I'll say it again another way because I think the point needs to be made.

I don't agree with attacks on the family when they - the victims of a brutal evil act - respond in a different way than bystanders want them to. Human reactions and response to tragedy, and how to cope with it, is a very personal thing, and to imply they MUST respond to the realities of an evil tragedy and work through it in this way or that of OUR choosing, or the way we or our friends once did, is not fair, and imo a needless criticism on that family dealing with a tragedy.

I also will say, without meaning to preach or criticize anyone else's view, that I believe the family is responding from a Biblical approach to dealing with life's tragedies, and because I share their Biblical view, perhaps I understand it and accept it when others do not. Christians are commanded not to live in fear, but rather in faith, even though they too suffer tragedies. The fact that God commands such an approach tells me that living without fear, but rather with faith, is certainly an option for the Christ-follower. In 2 Timothy we are told that "God gives us a spirit that is not of fear but of power and love and self-control" and Psalm 23 says that "even though I walk through the valley of the shadow of death, I will fear no evil, because God is with me" and all through the Bible it tells us to live in faith (which is the opposite of fear), and the fact this family is choosing not to act in ways of fear is imo a testament to their faith rather than something to criticize.

To be clear, my point about your friend (as well as you, from your later post) is not that your friend was overreacting, but rather that you accepted whatever happened anecdotally in their life (and yours) as the model that MB's family must adopt, perhaps without ever allowing for the idea that there may be a different and perhaps even better way for MB's family to respond. You shared that all of you lived in fear of that event recurring with you (a medical anomaly that in no way truly threatened any of you). Perhaps MB's family is looking for (and maybe even has found) a better way.

Again, I am not trying to attack you or your friend, but rather to say that MB's family's choices don't have to be the same ones you guys had in order to be accepted. IMO I think it's imperative we allow them to cope in whatever way they believe is best for them, and we should hope and pray that they DON'T have to live with irrational fears haunting them as a result of what happened to MB. Without meaning to attack you or yours, I do support that family.

This is a great post and I believe the same way as you. I also believe Missy would believe the same way. I didn’t know her but she was a Christian. As Christians we all sin and it’s a shame that some of hers has been put out into public. I pray for the family and the detectives that are investigating her case.

The new detectives I believe have new info that’s going to help find the SP. JMHO


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[Razz]

This is a great post and I believe the same way as you. I also believe Missy would believe the same way. I didn’t know her but she was a Christian. As Christians we all sin and it’s a shame that some of hers has been put out into public. I pray for the family and the detectives that are investigating her case.

The new detectives I believe have new info that’s going to help find the SP. JMHO


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What would that new info be and how do you know they possess it? Not being confrontational here but I'd
like to know.

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[GA_Peach]

What?! I don't know of anyone who is misleading or trying to dominate the thread, or misconstruing evidence.

And who is being glorified?

Call me oblivious but things seem to have taken a strange turn here.

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Seriously. I don't even know what to say. If a poster feels that evidence is being is being misconstrued, (s)he is free to scroll and roll. We all choose what information is valuable and what is not.

Great over all post.

In regards to the above, your recommendation reminds me of a murder in South Carolina (victim was also targeted) where the effort to find the perpetrator seemed to be faltering despite the clues and despite the reward money.

The family then hired a retired detective who had spent his whole life in the area (semi rural area with a largely black population). He knew the culture, the people, the area, the gossip etc.

Anyways, the detective in question walked / drove around talking to people face to face about the crime, church news, local football, unrelated gossip etc. He would also take the $20,000 dollar reward money- in bills, no generic check, out of a paper sack at the end of the interview. He placed it on the hood of his car, the porch etc let the other person well... ponder it.

Then, he would gather it up, say goodbye and let the person know he was going to talk to somebody else about the case that very day- but the early bird tip wise would get the reward. Soon, the tip line was ringing off the hook with renewed interest and good, specific tips. The crime was solved quickly.

Thank you for this fantastic post. IMO, it highlights that a family or investigator willing to go the extra mile increases the likelihood of a case being solved. It's part of the reason that I find it so troublesome that the family has repeatedly come out and said that they would rather move on than the case be solved. Why would they send a message to SP that no one is looking for him? And the police have parroted the same. In effect LE said that they need a member from the public so come forward with a tip so they will just wait for that tip. It's utterly disheartening. Why the indifference? It's bothersome to say the least.

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We have no idea what the family thinks or feels. Ppl display their emotions differently and honestly they are being victimized again when they are disected by their actions. One person may like wine but another needs their beer. The thread is about Missy and not about the posters that comment on the case. Jmo, but many ppl are fearful of how Ellis county is operating.

The thread is about Missy and the information surrounding her case. As I said in my original post about this issue, I have no idea what BB is or is not doing. I really don't. However, I don't think that he does himself and his family any favors when he sends a letter to the media saying that he is ready to move on from his wife's murder and won't be talking to them anymore, and then he does a national interview with his girls a few days later.

I originally had the family at the top of my list, but when 2016 came to an end without an arrest, I changed things around. If anyone on the original SW was involved, I would have thought that there would have been an arrest by now. To that end, I have tried to refrain from making comments about their behavior and their apparent reaction to Missy's death. However, I stand by my assessment that it is not normal for a victim's family to say that they are "more interested in moving on than in finding the killer [of the victim]." And I will refrain from sharing my thoughts on the psychological impact that outlook is going to have on the girls as they get older, as they reach adulthood, and ultimately when they have children of their own.

I agree with you about Ellis County (EC). As I previously said, CB's FOIA document shows how many EC responders were at the original processing of the murder scene. People can choose to get all bent out of shape over the fact that the information was obtained and shared, or we can actually use the information provided to us to do something with it. Hopefully, it can help us move this case forward.

 

[Oregonmama]

Seriously. I don't even know what to say. If a poster feels that evidence is being is being misconstrued, (s)he is free to scroll and roll. We all choose what information is valuable and what is not.



Thank you for this fantastic post. IMO, it highlights that a family or investigator willing to go the extra mile increases the likelihood of a case being solved. It's part of the reason that I find it so troublesome that the family has repeatedly come out and said that they would rather move on than the case be solved. Why would they send a message to SP that no one is looking for him? And the police have parroted the same. In effect LE said that they need a member from the public so come forward with a tip so they will just wait for that tip. It's utterly disheartening. Why the indifference? It's bothersome to say the least.



The thread is about Missy and the information surrounding her case. As I said in my original post about this issue, I have no idea what BB is or is not doing. I really don't. However, I don't think that he does himself and his family any favors when he sends a letter to the media saying that he is ready to move on from his wife's murder and won't be talking to them anymore, and then he does a national interview with his girls a few days later.

I originally had the family at the top of my list, but when 2016 came to an end without an arrest, I changed things around. If anyone on the original SW was involved, I would have thought that there would have been an arrest by now. To that end, I have tried to refrain from making comments about their behavior and their apparent reaction to Missy's death. However, I stand by my assessment that it is not normal for a victim's family to say that they are "more interested in moving on than in finding the killer [of the victim]." And I will refrain from sharing my thoughts on the psychological impact that outlook is going to have on the girls as they get older, as they reach adulthood, and ultimately when they have children of their own.

I agree with you about Ellis County (EC). As I previously said, CB's FOIA document shows how many EC responders were at the original processing of the murder scene. People can choose to get all bent out of shape over the fact that the information was obtained and shared, or we can actually use the information provided to us to do something with it. Hopefully, it can help us move this case forward.

How is it not normal? We are not privy to the inside investigation or tactics that are involved behind the scenes. Ppl have different emotions and classifying one's actions and comparing to ourself or other ppl is not fair. In regards to the drop box doc, who is bent out of shape? Jmo, the paragraph that was displayed confuses the scene even more. One person's sense of direction is different from another in wording.

 

[GA_Peach]

How is it not normal? We are not privy to the inside investigation or tactics that are involved behind the scenes. Ppl have different emotions and classifying one's actions and comparing to ourself or other ppl is not fair. In regards to the drop box doc, who is bent out of shape? Jmo, the paragraph that was displayed confuses the scene even more. One person's sense of direction is different from another in wording.

Here's what I will say about being "normal". When this issue was first brought up here several weeks ago, I asked if anyone had ever recalled another victim's family saying that they would rather just move on than find justice for the victim. In a forum of people who are dedicated to following crimes, not a single person could think of a victim's family who had said the same. [One poster did share a story of the victim's children not wanting to see posters related to their mom's case plastered all over the city.] That puts BB's response out of the norm. It's abnormal.

Yes, I agree that there are a large range of actions and emotions relating to the tragic death of a family member. However, when not a single person reacts in the same way [or very few people, but none in any of the big, televised cases], your reaction can be classified as abnormal. You don't have to agree, but there has been nothing normal about BB's response to his wife's death. Nothing.

 

[Gae]

... I don't think that he does himself and his family any favors when he sends a letter to the media saying that he is ready to move on from his wife's murder and won't be talking to them anymore, and then he does a national interview with his girls a few days later. .

Sooo bizarre. I can't wrap my mind around it at all. I can't even think of a scenario that works here.

 

[Oregonmama]

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Here's what I will say about being "normal". When this issue was first brought up here several weeks ago, I asked if anyone had ever recalled another victim's family saying that they would rather just move on than find justice for the victim. In a forum of people who are dedicated to following crimes, not a single person could think of a victim's family who had said the same. [One poster did share a story of the victim's children not wanting to see posters related to their mom's case plastered all over the city.] That puts BB's response out of the norm. It's abnormal.

Yes, I agree that there are a large range of actions and emotions relating to the tragic death of a family member. However, when not a single person reacts in the same way [or very few people, but none in any of the big, televised cases], your reaction can be classified as abnormal. You don't have to agree, but there has been nothing normal about BB's response to his wife's death. Nothing.

Analyzing BB takes away from the actual case. Some ppl do not show raw emotion. We are not trained psychologists to pin point what is normal or abnormal. We are outsiders to the case and we do not know what they are dealing with behind closed doors. Interviews on tv do not show the real person in every day life. Each case is different with their own circumstances.

 

[lstiff]

Another puzzle piece. What does it tell us, where does it fit and how important is it?

We walked through the south breezeway doors and into the main foyer to the north side of the church.

The main ambiguity is caused by how large the space is behind the word “foyer”. Does the north side of the church describe where the main foyer is. OR are they describing their movement (from the south breezeway doors into the main foyer).
I think this certainly narrows where she was found (and probably where the confrontation occurred-we have no indication the body was moved). It rules out in the bathroom.

I believe it was in the SW portion of the main foyer. That fits into previous LE descriptions AND the other clue is “After viewing the body we were asked to process the truck under the awning.” They came through the south doors, viewed thebody and were asked to return to the south doors. Far enough in so the CG-ers could see herfrom the main foyer. But not so far that these LE would be walking near evidence and potentially contaminating the crime scene.

Which leads to the conclusion. MB doesn’t appear trapped in a bathroom or alcove and had two directions she could have potentially run to safety (one minimum). And Mr.floppy shoes, injured leg, cloaked in gear isn’t going to catch her in her running shoes and gym clothes. He ambushed her. And/or she may have recognized himand let her guard down. Another place where every thing fell into place for SP. Looking more targeted to me.

I agree. I have always thought she was ambushed but had nothing to base that on other than my own mental version of events. I think we can at least theorize this based on (new info-assuming it’s a valid doc) of where she was found.
IMO

 

[Oregonmama]

What would that new info be and how do you know they possess it? Not being confrontational here but I'd
like to know.

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The new article I posted on Friday did have new info , well new info to us.

 

[Gae]

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Analyzing BB takes away from the actual case. Some ppl do not show raw emotion. We are not trained psychologists to pin point what is normal or abnormal. We are outsiders to the case and we do not know what they are dealing with behind closed doors. Interviews on tv do not show the real person in every day life. Each case is different with their own circumstances.

Wondering why BB announced to the world (and the killer) that he's given up on searching for him/her, is not psychoanalyzing him and "taking away from the actual case." I'm wondering why he'd do that, and what message that sends to the killer.

 

[Razz]

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Analyzing BB takes away from the actual case. Some ppl do not show raw emotion. We are not trained psychologists to pin point what is normal or abnormal. We are outsiders to the case and we do not know what they are dealing with behind closed doors. Interviews on tv do not show the real person in every day life. Each case is different with their own circumstances.

No, it doesn't. BB, whether he wants it or not is a LARGE part of this case. He would do well to keep his mouth shut,
however. He has, from the very beginning opined, sermonized, preached and babbled to anyone who would listen.



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