TX - Terri 'Missy' Bevers, 45, killed in church/suspect in SWAT gear, 18 Apr 2016 #43

[KaaBoom]

Wondering why BB announced to the world (and the killer) that he's given up on searching for him/her, is not psychoanalyzing him and "taking away from the actual case." I'm wondering why he'd do that, and what message that sends to the killer.

I don't think he was trying to send any message. I think he was just stating his feelings. The investigators have no new leads and are cutting back the investigation. He seems to understand that the chances of the case being solved at this point is little to none. He wants to accept that and move on with his life. Personally I think he is doing the right thing. I think it's the best plan for him.

 

[Tippy Lynn]

I don't think he was trying to send any message. I think he was just stating his feelings. The investigators have no new leads and are cutting back the investigation. He seems to understand that the chances of the case being solved at this point is little to none. He wants to accept that and move on with his life. Personally I think he is doing the right thing. I think it's the best plan for him.

This is something they will never fully move on from, even if justice is served. This is part of their story and no matter what the outcome is it will always be there and a part of their life.

We all know BB’s interviews and his communication style is somewhat odd. IMO he has a hard time getting his point across clearly. It could be that BB was saying he’s going to try to focus on his girls more and more time trying to find a new normal and less time on finding his wife’s killer, but it didn’t come out that way.

 

[GA_Peach]

I am going to bring forth part of Tricia's message from the first post of this thread. When I used the reply with quote, Tricia's post was excluded so I have copied and pasted her portion.

The bold emphasis is mine.

We all know that is doublespeak for we are not willing to name any of them POI or suspect RIGHT NOW.

So a general speculation of "I still find the husband's statements odd, his demeanor off. Something is not right there" are fine. While statements like "BB did it, I mean come on, his wife was sleeping around and it's almost always the husband or boyfriend" are over the line.

"I think this was motivated by jealousy by someone Missy knew, someone who felt threatened by her, someone with low self-esteem" would be okay while "it was that one woman [whatever her initials are] married to one teacher [insert initials]" would be over the line.

This should be easy to understand.

We want a lively and interesting discussion, however, we will not allow the Bever's discussion to get out of hand.

Thanks to tlcya and beach for their contributions to this post and for their continued hard work in moderating the Bever's thread.

Tricia

For those of you asking for qualifications of people making comments on BB's demeanor and statements and for those of you who think that this detracts from the case, I would recommend making your case directly to Tricia. Please stop cluttering this thread with those arguments. This issue has been addressed over and over again, and Tricia and the mods have repeatedly said that making general comments about MSM articles and the people in them are well within the rules. Thank you.

 

[Tippy Lynn]

Let’s all try to post responsibly and keep this thread open.


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[Sillybilly]

Stop the bickering and personal attacks in this thread.

 

[janesmith787]

Great post, Steve. For once we can agree! [emoji6] Sometimes when something happens you have to forgive even when justice doesn’t look like you want it to. Forgiveness is for yourself and not the perp. Maybe they’ve had to accept it so they can try to have a somewhat normal life..JMO

ETA: I’m not defending his behavior and I definitely have my opinions. But, at the end of the day we all want justice for the perp to be caught. What’s done in the dark, comes to the light.

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[cady]

JMO BB may suspect that he knows, or does know who the SP was, and for his own reasons, has "forgiven" the person. Way back at the end of May 2016, he did an interview which left me thinking 1) that he believed the perp to be probably female 2) that he was surprised at the ease with which the perp handled the hammer or similar tool 3) I had the distinct impression that he had been shown more video than was released to the public and 4) that he seemed to be rather forgiving. We have all discussed this over and over, and I just dropped talking about it because my impressions were shared by a minority. I really felt at that time that he seemed to know who the perp is. I still feel that way.
If there is NO video beyond Missy entering the church, at what point does the camera fail to capture her? We don't know. But why, if she is captured on camera to a certain point, are the two (?) campers who went in and discovered her body NOT captured by the same camera? I understand not wanting to reveal the identities of the campers, but why state that there is no video beyond Missy's entry into the church? Nonsense. JMO

 

[Gae]

JMO BB may suspect that he knows, or does know who the SP was, and for his own reasons, has "forgiven" the person. Way back at the end of May 2016, he did an interview which left me thinking 1) that he believed the perp to be probably female 2) that he was surprised at the ease with which the perp handled the hammer or similar tool 3) I had the distinct impression that he had been shown more video than was released to the public and 4) that he seemed to be rather forgiving. We have all discussed this over and over, and I just dropped talking about it because my impressions were shared by a minority. I really felt at that time that he seemed to know who the perp is. I still feel that way.
If there is NO video beyond Missy entering the church, at what point does the camera fail to capture her? We don't know. But why, if she is captured on camera to a certain point, are the two (?) campers who went in and discovered her body NOT captured by the same camera? I understand not wanting to reveal the identities of the campers, but why state that there is no video beyond Missy's entry into the church? Nonsense. JMO

cady, I agree with most of what you're saying here. From the beginning, I had this gut feeling that BB knows who did this. It was either that first or second interview he gave on his lawn, immediately after he returned from his trip that did it for me. Instead of begging the media and public to help him find the perp, he had more of a please-leave-us-alone-and-let-us-get-on-with-our-lives attitude, IMO. I kept thinking - when is he going to start begging for help to find his wife's killer and going through the motions of desperately trying to find answers? He finally got around to it after he had talked to the police a time or two. I don't think it was BB in that church building that day, but from everything he's done and said, I have a very, very strong feeling that he either knows exactly who did this or a really good idea of who did it. Maybe that's why it's easier for him to drop it and walk away. JMO!

 

[MittenScarpetta]

JMO BB may suspect that he knows, or does know who the SP was, and for his own reasons, has "forgiven" the person. Way back at the end of May 2016, he did an interview which left me thinking 1) that he believed the perp to be probably female 2) that he was surprised at the ease with which the perp handled the hammer or similar tool 3) I had the distinct impression that he had been shown more video than was released to the public and 4) that he seemed to be rather forgiving. We have all discussed this over and over, and I just dropped talking about it because my impressions were shared by a minority. I really felt at that time that he seemed to know who the perp is. I still feel that way.
If there is NO video beyond Missy entering the church, at what point does the camera fail to capture her? We don't know. But why, if she is captured on camera to a certain point, are the two (?) campers who went in and discovered her body NOT captured by the same camera? I understand not wanting to reveal the identities of the campers, but why state that there is no video beyond Missy's entry into the church? Nonsense. JMO

Has it ever been stated anywhere that the campers who went in and discovered her were not captured on camera? I have never seen that stated, but perhaps after such time has passed, I’ve forgotten that statement. IMO, when LE states that there is no video beyond Missy’s entrance into the church, I personally understand that statement to be LE addressing questions in regards to the murder being caught on camera and LE saying (not exact wording) the murder was not caught on camera and there was no video of Missy beyond her entering the church. Hence, implying that the last footage of Missy was her entrance. I don’t believe they’ve ever stated that the campers aren’t seen entering the church.

 

[Razz]

Has it ever been stated anywhere that the campers who went in and discovered her were not captured on camera? I have never seen that stated, but perhaps after such time has passed, I’ve forgotten that statement. IMO, when LE states that there is no video beyond Missy’s entrance into the church, I personally understand that statement to be LE addressing questions in regards to the murder being caught on camera and LE saying (not exact wording) the murder was not caught on camera and there was no video of Missy beyond her entering the church. Hence, implying that the last footage of Missy was her entrance. I don’t believe they’ve ever stated that the campers aren’t seen entering the church.

The last visual of MB on video was entering the church (from the Porte Corche) walking down the hall and turning where SP was last seen.
And that was it for any videos for MB and SP. Neither was seen again.

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[MittenScarpetta]

The last visual of MB on video was entering the church (from the Porte Corche) walking down the hall and turning where SP was last seen.
And that was it for any videos for MB and SP. Neither was seen again.

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Correct. I was addressing Cady’s comment about the campers not being seen on camera. That has never been stated, to my knowledge.

 

[Razz]

Correct. I was addressing Cady’s comment about the campers not being seen on camera. That has never been stated, to my knowledge.

I know. But that statement by LE made me believe that after she entered the church, she walked down the hallway and turned where SP was last seen and it was there she was ambushed. It indicates SP was in a place that she couldn't see while she was walking down the hallway, and when she turned into where he was last seen she was ambushed. This statement alone made me believe this all took place around the corner (left) from the SW hallway and in the big Central (West) entrance foyer.

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[MittenScarpetta]

I know. But that statement by LE made me believe that after she entered the church, she walked down the hallway and turned where SP was last seen and it was there she was ambushed. It indicates SP was in a place that she couldn't see while she was walking down the hallway, and when she turned into where he was last seen she was ambushed. This statement alone made me believe this all took place around the corner (left) from the SW hallway and in the big Central (West) entrance foyer.

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I agree. That makes sense because the big central foyer appears to be out of view, if one were to be looking down the SW hallway towards the West entrance. What I question is why CCoC wouldn’t have a camera at the main entrance? Or perhaps if there is or was a camera there, sp disabled that camera in some way before the murder so the murder was not caught on camera?

 

[Razz]

I agree. That makes sense because the big central foyer appears to be out of view, if one were to be looking down the SW hallway towards the West entrance. What I question is why CCoC wouldn’t have a camera at the main entrance? Or perhaps if there is or was a camera there, sp disabled that camera in some way before the murder so the murder was not caught on camera?

It is my belief, the camera was not working. and there was a camera in that entrance. Had SP disabled it, surely that would have been seen on video.

So, imo, SP knew that particular camera was not working (which indicates prior knowledge on which cameras we're working and which ones weren't....or SP had some pretext to enter the church before the murder
and disable the camera. My hunch is...the camera was not working and SP knew that.

And how would someone know this?
Perhaps some of the workout people were leery of working out in front of a camera and MB or someone else mentioned "Don't worry about it.
That camera hasn't worked in years."
(Just speculating on that point).

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[Razz]

JMO BB may suspect that he knows, or does know who the SP was, and for his own reasons, has "forgiven" the person. Way back at the end of May 2016, he did an interview which left me thinking 1) that he believed the perp to be probably female 2) that he was surprised at the ease with which the perp handled the hammer or similar tool 3) I had the distinct impression that he had been shown more video than was released to the public and 4) that he seemed to be rather forgiving. We have all discussed this over and over, and I just dropped talking about it because my impressions were shared by a minority. I really felt at that time that he seemed to know who the perp is. I still feel that way.
If there is NO video beyond Missy entering the church, at what point does the camera fail to capture her? We don't know. But why, if she is captured on camera to a certain point, are the two (?) campers who went in and discovered her body NOT captured by the same camera? I understand not wanting to reveal the identities of the campers, but why state that there is no video beyond Missy's entry into the church? Nonsense. JMO

If BB does suspect or knows who did this, for whom do you think he would go to such lengths not to say?

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[Gae]

If BB does suspect or knows who did this, for whom do you think he would go to such lengths not to say?

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Razz, I'm not cady, but may I answer with my ideas? It's an excellent question and I'd still like to hear cady's response.

If BB knows who did this, for whom would he go to such lengths not to say-

1. Someone close to him that he loves and wants to protect. :thinking:
2. Someone not close to him, and would like to see prosecuted, but there's not enough physical evidence to link him/her to the crime scene, so he has to keep his lip zipped just in case the evidence ever shows up. To reveal the name would risk future charges.
3. Someone connected to him that he fears.

 

[DeDee]

https://www.dropbox.com/s/teu66fgfyme86fc/body location.PNG?dl=0

Yes, the link was disabled . I cant read it anymore either. Interesting all around with this doc.

I'm also sorry to see that Cannonball has left Websleuths.

Perhaps it wasn't a choice.

What?! I don't know of anyone who is misleading or trying to dominate the thread, or misconstruing evidence.

And who is being glorified?

Call me oblivious but things seem to have taken a strange turn here.

It was never stated there was a domination of the threads. Misleading is when someone consistently implies Missy's murder was a B&E gone wrong even after a POI is questioned and arrested. However, that is simply my own opinion based on the Return Report on the SW. Some of the recovered items are not needed for a B&E job.


https://www.dropbox.com/s/rf5fcprjpu6ncgl/Returned SW Dec 2016 BWH (1).pdf?dl=0

In regards to how one may feel to learn their spouse was brutally murdered when showing up for work, I went back to view images of MBs candlelight vigil. It was quite an enlightening, albeit painful, experience. I'll drop the link so anyone who so chooses can view them all as there are about twenty or thirty images.

The vigil was held, on April 19, at Longbranch Elementary School the day after Missy was murdered. I recalled the precious lady, CP, performed for the participants at the vigil. Later, she would become famous for her Chewbacca video that went viral,

http://www.waxahachietx.com/search?text=candlelight vigil honors Terri Missy Bevers&start=1

At the vigil, a chair was made available for BB. A snapshot of BB surveying the mourning crowd.

 

[MittenScarpetta]

While I don’t have a standing theory on who killed Missy, I do believe this wasn’t random in any way. Today, I stumbled upon a case that I don’t recall being compared to Missy’s. Forgive me if this case has been discussed as there are in excess of thousands of comments amongst all of Missy’s threads; it’s beyond my brain capability to remember every discussion. With that said, while this case is not related to Missy’s, there are some striking similarities in the Eric Williams case. Here is what I noticed:

1) Eric Williams was a Justice of the Peace in Kaufman county-a neighboring county of Ellis county. His case involves his own corruption and him seeking retaliation against those who convicted him. It’s very interesting both Ellis and Kaufman counties both have struggled with corruption. I’m not saying Missy’s case is in any way related to corruption, I’m noting a similarity.

2) Eric Williams dressed up as a LE officer, gaining the trust of his 2nd and 3rd victims with his disguise in the early morning hours. His victims opened the door and let him in because they thought he was LE. Similarly, Missy was murdered by someone dressed as LE in the early morning hours.

3) Eric Williams was arrested on 4/18/13 for his crimes. Missy was murdered on 4/18/16.

Perhaps, whoever murdered Missy was performing a copycat murder. I’m sure this case was highly publicized as it involved the murders of prosecuting attorneys. Maybe, the person who killed Missy, followed that case. This is all JMO and I’m just sharing some info that I think is worth considering.

The link is a long read, but anyone reading it should be able to see the similarities.

https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.cb...es-texas-prosecutor-killings-hasse-mclelland/

 

[ATasteOfHoney]

Good post, Mitten.

The things that make you go hmmmmm......

 

[MittenScarpetta]

Good post, Mitten.

The things that make you go hmmmmm......

Thank you. Yes..I’ve been saying hmmmm all day about this one.