TX - Terri 'Missy' Bevers,45, murdered in church/person in SWAT gear,18 Apr 2016 #25

[RoxieC]

Interesting. We were in several hardware stores yesterday afternoon, and I carefully looked at each hammer, thinking about Missy, and wanting Justice for her.

I know. It is just horrific! Made worse by the video of SP just walking the halls.


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[TeaTime]

Wow........do we know the first call was to family or are we speculating? I don't remember that. If the first call was to a family member and not 911, I find that very curious. I seem to recall there were 2 calls to 911 at some point - is that right? Regardless, don't think I'd want to be the person to notify a relative of a murder, but that's just me!

Seriously and others have posted about this (I have it through second party that Camper 1 is horrified and not involved). With that said this has bothered me from the start as well. Per BB in interview he is notified by a Camp Gladiator person. Who is this person? As like you Seriously I would not want to make that notification to husband. Per his Mom she is notified MB in car accident. Who notified her? She tells VS and then VS says she receives a call from another person telling her it wasn't a car accident. Who called her? Maybe this doesn't sound suspicious to others but it sure raises red flags on who the caller or callers are.

No one here knows who called who other than 911 was contacted a little after 5am by one of the campers. Someone called MIL and probably told her there was an accident because no one wants to say "your DIL has been murdered" over the phone and she thought 'car accident' which would be a normal assumption. Whoever made the calls to the family should have left that to LE who would have gone to MIL's house to tell her in person and then escort her to the Bever's home to be with the children and LE would have called BB. First, LE would have been able to gauge the reactions of the people being notified and two, no one knew that the whole family wasn't in jeopardy at the time or whether the children were safe in bed.

But, people are what they are and do not think clearly in a crisis unless trained by experience.

 

[anonypotomous]

Every day that passes I am believing more and more that someone paid a professional to kill MB. By now I believe that people close to her have told LE all they know about her personal life. With no POI yet it isn't looking good for an arrest anytime soon. JMO

My thoughts exactly.

 

[Cannonball3804]

Let us know, this should be interesting. I'm glad that you did that and I'm betting that there are LOTS of requests. JMO

I don't expect that I'm the only one but I don't rule it out either. Most members of the public are unaware of the right they have to get information for themselves. So they sit on their hands and wait for the media to give it to them.

From what I've seen of the Dallas media in this case, they're also sitting on their hands and waiting for LE press releases and pressers. It's the difference between investigating and simply reporting.

 

[Seriously?]

I think that the camper knew BB and had his #..........which isn't all that suspicious, but I think it was rather poor judgment to do that. It really is up to authorities to notify, which they reportedly did (call BB) shortly after they determined that she was deceased. JMO

So do you know if there was an entry in the timeline reporting any member of Bevers family called LE? If not, I'll try to find it.

 

[TenaciousTBacon]

I think that the camper knew BB and had his #..........which isn't all that suspicious, but I think it was rather poor judgment to do that. It really is up to authorities to notify, which they reportedly did (call BB) shortly after they determined that she was deceased. JMO

Yes, that's what I read too. I think it's way back in the earliest threads of this case. Iirc the camper who called BB is personal friends with BB & MB. They prob could only manage to say there's been an accident. At that point campers thought she'd interrupted a burglary.

It's easy to judge someone's actions after the fact. But imagine if you were the camper who had found a friend down, in the dark, and it seemed she'd been killed walking in on a break-in. I wouldn't try to guess what I would do. Nothing sensible, I'm sure.

 

[anonypotomous]

I've skipped the last 10 threads or so, and I see there's still nothing new going on. Very sad. If they had a suspect, they'd have enough evidence to make an arrest by now, IMO. Especially with all of the agencies involved.

 

[11frogs]

I did some research to see how many people in the US are killed by hammers. FBI statistics say more people are killed with hammers and clubs than guns. Only death by knife out ways them both by far. This info blew my mind. Killing with a hammer would seem to be so personal.

 

[Seriously?]

I was replying to the Original Poster, curious1234, who did bring up gauging reactions. I was assuming the OP meant BB. If not, I apologize.

IMOO.

No need........I missed it in the original post. My mistake! (although I believe responses would have been important....:silenced

 

[No it's not]

New to WS. Here is the body type I think closely resembles SP. BatBrat I like that you take time to make this animation, however, I am with MrsCP that the person appears larger than your depiction. A side angle will always take pounds off of the subject being photographed, i.e. Models use this technique quite a bit. It would interesting for you to do this technique you have to view of the subject straight on.

some notes: I have been reading all of these posts and I did post the other day that the person is wearing shorts and leggings or hose. These are not pants and it is evident from sharp line at bottom of several images during video and the back of the leg on way to double door and at end of video when light hits that area behind knee.

Some me have made note of light on helmet. This was not turned on until after Dutch doors when we see SP walking towards camera. This light is bright and you would have seen it shining on surfaces at the beginning of video if it were on. I believe SP turned this on to blind MB. Would be interesting to know if she had defensive wounds to arms or hands.

Since i I have always believed this was a coordinated effort between at least two people. One inside church and one on outside telling SP that MB was driving up and making sure she was alone so SP could take care of business.

Sparky - there is a person that is off limits to talk about - however, I believe he was directly involved (and I will apologize if my opinion turns out wrong) but people may think they know a person really well and not know what they are capable of. He didn't do the actual killing of MB but is directly involved. JMO.

Sorry this is so long.

Greetings and welcome! I agree with your comment on the headlight not being on prior to the perp entering the double dutch doors. Notice also, that the individual enters that room with his hammer in his left hand and exits with the hammer in his right hand. It is possible he turned on that light in there, Also, it appears to me, that the perp possibly also readjusted whatever is located on the helmet central front. That might have happened right after reappearing out of the room with the dutch doors and walking down that hallway. There is a snip and we do not have the view from what happened down there. But coming back, he clearly wears something on his helmet, middle front.

Also, just wanted to mention in general, that my enlarged images do not create artifacts or pixel distortion. I do not use just photoshop.-Nin

 

[JnRyan]

The swat outfit makes me think it was a ruse to quickly gain MBs trust. The perp could have said there's a bomb in a building or theres a hostage situation. She likely dropped her guard and was vulnerable to a quick attack.

Had this person been in street clothes (had she not known the person) she immediately would have thought something was wrong, as her class wasn't scheduled to start yet.

There's been many cases where you read of people impersonating LE, because people trust them and don't ask questions. I wouldn't be surprised if that is what happened here, but I think she was targeted nonetheless.

That's one reason I believe she was targeted. The "LE impersonator" is one of the theories for Virginia's "Route 29 Stalker" (Alicia Reynolds and Anne McDaniels murders) and Colonial Parkway Killer.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Colonial_Parkway_Killer

I believe it was in the case of Colonial Parkway Killer victims, Cassandra Hailey and Richard Call, that one of the victim's wallets was found in the vehicle out and open - like they were going for their drivers license.

The SWAT uniform could cause Missy to hesitate momentarily instead of run. Enough to enable the killer to get in that first hit.

 

[Treelights]

I did some research to see how many people in the US are killed by hammers. FBI statistics say more people are killed with hammers and clubs than guns. Only death by knife out ways them both by far. This info blew my mind. Killing with a hammer would seem to be so personal.

I am wondering, did the statistics say Where the killings took place? Like, for instance were there more killings at homes with hammers, or did these killings happen elsewhere other than a home that would have easy access to a hammer? Also, did a large majority of those killings happen at a job where a hammer was an easy item to get a hold of? I was wondering the percentages of those incidences?
How many killings took place with a hammer, that the decedent was found in a place that a hammer would not usually have been used?
Was this the first choice of a weapon, or was a hammer just convenient in those statistical killings?

IMOO.

 

[cady]

I don't expect that I'm the only one but I don't rule it out either. Most members of the public are unaware of the right they have to get information for themselves. So they sit on their hands and wait for the media to give it to them.

From what I've seen of the Dallas media in this case, they're also sitting on their hands and waiting for LE press releases and pressers. It's the difference between investigating and simply reporting.

You'd think that at least the local newspapers would be on top of it. .......sheesh. I'm not in tx but I browsed the TX AG site about 911 disclosure. There are some caveats, such as, if the caller could be in danger etc. (but if name, address and phone# are redacted, what's the danger?) Very odd, to me. JMO

 

[TenaciousTBacon]

I've skipped the last 10 threads or so, and I see there's still nothing new going on. Very sad. If they had a suspect, they'd have enough evidence to make an arrest by now, IMO. Especially with all of the agencies involved.

Yep. I see many people here insisting an arrest is imminent but even LE is saying that's not so.

I'm a sort of local (Mansfield) & no one is talking about it in coffee shops & soccer fields any more. I think everyone believes LE that it was personal against Missy. There is no sense that an arrest will come soon.

 

[Razz]

I think the confusion for me is what you may be calling "vestibule" So are you being sneeky and using it to cover ALL areas? :silly:

ves·ti·bule
ˈvestəˌbyo͞ol/
noun
1.
an antechamber, hall, or lobby next to the outer door of a building.
synonyms:entrance hall, hall, hallway, entrance, porch, portico, foyer, lobby, anteroom, narthex, antechamber, waiting room
"brochures are available in the vestibule"


Nope. Where does the double door (dark) entry lead to that is depicted in the video as perp walks by it when turning left into that long hallway with the dutch doors? The vestibule between the outdoor entrance (where MB parked her car) and into the main hallway. (The very SW part of the church.) Your map does not show it but another one did.

And not sneaky but stealthy. 😊

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[arkansasmimi]

Anyone know if news agencies have FOIA requests in for the911 tapes? If the video has not served to generate viable tips, the 911 tapes may. The identity of the camper can be edited out.. JMO

JMHO I bet they don't release them, may even have sealed. MPD made a statement to MSM May 4. that they are not talking anymore about COD and Mechanism of Injury as it is something only the Killer would know. That is another reason I don't think they have released, or that we have heard much about many things. JMHO

 

[Razz]

I've been tending to ascribe to the "vestibule attack" theory as well--only because 1) her attack wasn't caught on camera, and 2) the vestibule is (technically) inside the church and in the SW corner if the church. When she is described as "walking down the hall" to the vicinity of where the suspect was, I envision her unlocking and entering by way of main entrance door (middle of church), then turning right and proceeding down the hallway to the porte cochere entrance where she'd parked--to open those doors from the inside in order to bring in her unloaded camp equipment. Not that that envisioned scenario is necessarily right...it's just the way my own mind has put it together based on pressers and media statements. LE also told us she was "ambushed" - and I've envisioned SP hiding in the darkened vestibule, maybe behind something like I see in there behind the propped open door in the video. If he DIDN'T hide in the darkened vestibule area, he'd have been seen by Missy long before she reached him because the motion-activated hall lights would've turned on as she walked down the hall.

Anyway, regardless of how she entered...if the exterior SW doors aren't broken (and I can't really tell from the crime tape photo above if ALL them are intact or not) then maybe the inner set of vestibule doors - maybe the one propped open - had some breakage during the attack?

Just a guess, of course. But I don't see how the broken glass seen near her body could be from a glass hallway table being broken. If she'd died near that hall table, her attack would've been recorded by the motion-activated hall cameras. (But we're told it was not.)

ETA:


Just to be clear (I hope)... . The vestibule (at least how I'm describing it!) is the area between the inner and outer sets of glass doors. The outer doors are in your photo above with yellow crime tape across them. The inner glass doors are, for example, the one propped open in the video as swatperp walks by. There is usually a mat on the floor of the vestibule between outer and inner sets of doors for tracking rain and dirt in on before entering the building proper.

Thank you. I wrote this (but not nearly as well) right before I read yours. Bingo.

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[ATasteOfHoney]

No one here knows who called who other than 911 was contacted a little after 5am by one of the campers. Someone called MIL and probably told her there was an accident because no one wants to say "your DIL has been murdered" over the phone and she thought 'car accident' which would be a normal assumption. Whoever made the calls to the family should have left that to LE who would have gone to MIL's house to tell her in person and then escort her to the Bever's home to be with the children and LE would have called BB. First, LE would have been able to gauge the reactions of the people being notified and two, no one knew that the whole family wasn't in jeopardy at the time or whether the children were safe in bed.

But, people are what they are and do not think clearly in a crisis unless trained by experience.

I believe it's been mentioned in numerous interviews that there were 2 911 calls placed by the campers.

Not directed as a reply to you...but in general if you find a scene and assess the victim is deceased, logic holds that if you are in a church & there's blood and glass--how could an accident happen? LE said she died from multiple wounds to the chest & head which is bloody. It's not like a chandelier suddenly dropped on her head. Common sense would be to call 911 & keep the site secured from getting more contaminated. But that could just be me. To make the highly disturbing & emotional call to family members....nope...I'd leave that to the authorities. Especially the initial calls.

But my mileage varies ...

Moo

 

[cady]

So do you know if there was an entry in the timeline reporting any member of Bevers family called LE? If not, I'll try to find it.

No idea! I think that someone in authority called BB at some point after it was determined that Missy was deceased. BB then called his mother and/or sister, who were at that time, at his house with the kids. JMO

 

[arkansasmimi]

A few years back in the East Texas area, the ATF and Texas Rangers were involved in investigating a number of church fires caused by arson. I think they were there to determine if it was anything like that, or possible bombs planted.

I still wonder if the perp was there to burglarize and was looking for money, or to plant a bomb and wasn't expecting anyone to be there. Something has to have given LE an indication it was otherwise in order for them to conclude and state publicly they believe Missy was targeted. Maybe the swat perp left some kind of message? Or, maybe it has to do with the manner in which she was killed that led them to that conclusion .

Respectfully BBM,, that's what I am thinking. Especially the timing of the ATF bringing the dog in church and covering the grounds.. then that night there was a Prayer service at Creekside with undercover LE. Per Honeybee85 another local, told us page or 2 back that MPD and Red Oak had their K9 there, also. We do not know if they used them also, but the dog Titian is trained for gun powder and bombs iirc. Again timing Wed morning, church service that evening, makes the most sense to me since Suspects are known to return to the scene ... JMHO