UK UK - Corrie McKeague, 23, Bury St Edmunds, 24 September 2016 #2

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Just caught up after a manic day at work and wow @ the thunderclap update! I'm tired but going to throw out a possibility that I haven't read yet, it could be classed as "way out there" but here goes anyway:

Bearing in mind the professions of Corrie's mum & uncle, could there be someone in their (recent?) past who is upset with one of them and has taken revenge by abducting Corrie?
 
I'm going to ask a really dumb question now, but it bothers me a bit. I don't really understand how how the phone ping thing works (or maybe I do). But how have we ended up with a specific area at the bins, and a massive wide pinging area at the other end? I thought the triangulation was quite vague and could his phone have actually last been pinged on a nearby side street where cars could easily be accessed? I get it travelled along a similar route at a similar time to the bin lorry, but it is not an exact science- how inaccurate/accurate is it?
 
I'm going to ask a really dumb question now, but it bothers me a bit. I don't really understand how how the phone ping thing works (or maybe I do). But how have we ended up with a specific area at the bins, and a massive wide pinging area at the other end? I thought the triangulation was quite vague and could his phone have actually last been pinged on a nearby side street where cars could easily be accessed? I get it travelled along a similar route at a similar time to the bin lorry, but it is not an exact science- how inaccurate/accurate is it?


Completely NOT a dumb question! This link has quite a good explanation https://wrongfulconvictionsblog.org/2012/06/01/cell-tower-triangulation-how-it-works/
 
Wait a minute...

We now know the three teenagers were seen by the bin lorry driver at ~4:20 and as they were traced and talked to this was true. Though surely if they were there they would have been seen on CCTV or at least it confirms it a possibility you can avoid being seen by them. So doesn't this tell us how ever the phone and/or Corrie got to Barton Mills at ~04:30 it wasn't by the bin lorry?

The lorry and binman can't possibly be in BSE at 04:20 to see the teenagers and then in the Barton Mills area just 10 minutes later?

Am I getting myself all mixed up here?
 
I'm going to ask a really dumb question now, but it bothers me a bit. I don't really understand how how the phone ping thing works (or maybe I do). But how have we ended up with a specific area at the bins, and a massive wide pinging area at the other end? I thought the triangulation was quite vague and could his phone have actually last been pinged on a nearby side street where cars could easily be accessed? I get it travelled along a similar route at a similar time to the bin lorry, but it is not an exact science- how inaccurate/accurate is it?

I think there are 2 different things here, we know Corrie was at the bins because we can see him on the CCTV not because his phone pinged there. In fact we don't know for sure that he still had his phone at that point. Separately we have the less specific phone pings indicating movement of the phone in a general direction but not accurate enough for a pinpoint location.
 
The Police decided NOT to check landfill as per statement Tony Wringe 02/11/16.
 
Wait a minute...

We now know the three teenagers were seen by the bin lorry driver at ~4:20 and as they were traced and talked to this was true. Though surely if they were there they would have been seen on CCTV or at least it confirms it a possibility you can avoid being seen by them. So doesn't this tell us how ever the phone and/or Corrie got to Barton Mills at ~04:30 it wasn't by the bin lorry?

The lorry and binman can't possibly be in BSE at 04:20 to see the teenagers and then in the Barton Mills area just 10 minutes later?

Am I getting myself all mixed up here?


"Rumour has it across BSE that Corrie was mugged (both wallet and phone) by a group of 3 young people (2 boys and a girl) between 3:08am and 3:25am. The family have said that nothing can be seen on the CCTV to confirm this so it is most likely a rumour"

I dunno
 
Wait a minute...

We now know the three teenagers were seen by the bin lorry driver at ~4:20 and as they were traced and talked to this was true. Though surely if they were there they would have been seen on CCTV or at least it confirms it a possibility you can avoid being seen by them. So doesn't this tell us how ever the phone and/or Corrie got to Barton Mills at ~04:30 it wasn't by the bin lorry?

The lorry and binman can't possibly be in BSE at 04:20 to see the teenagers and then in the Barton Mills area just 10 minutes later?

Am I getting myself all mixed up here?

Something is off here, see my similar question about the CCTV. The time could just be a simple mistake but the method of identification of the teens is a puzzle to me. Also slightly odd that the bin driver would be able to recall so many details of something quite insignificant days later particularly as we've been told that BSE is quite a busy place after hours
 
I think there are 2 different things here, we know Corrie was at the bins because we can see him on the CCTV not because his phone pinged there. In fact we don't know for sure that he still had his phone at that point. Separately we have the less specific phone pings indicating movement of the phone in a general direction but not accurate enough for a pinpoint location.

He had his phone with him in the doorway of Hughes as he was seen with it on CCTV, it is a short distance between Hughes doorway and bin area behind Greggs, so reckon he still had it on him IMO
 
He had his phone with him in the doorway of Hughes as he was seen with it on CCTV, it is a short distance between Hughes doorway and bin area behind Greggs, so reckon he still had it on him IMO


Yes, we know he had it to send the picture message slightly after 3am but there has been a noticeable silence on what the CCTV shows him doing in the doorway until just before 3.24 when he gets going to the bins.

He probably did still have it but as with all the other "facts" of this case there seems to be a reluctance to confirm this, makes me wonder why.
 
Hi everyone, newbie here although I've followed Websleuth's as a 'Guest' since the Rebecca Watts case. I've been following Corrie's disappearance from the beginning and am no longer sure what I think may have happened to him.
Tonight, I was reading Corrie's family's update on the Thunderclap and noticed the info about the teenagers seen in the area. Correct me if I am wrong, but it was put out there that Corrie's phone 'could' potentially have been transported in the bin lorry to Barton Mills. Apparently, leaving BSE at 4am and arriving in the area of Barton Mills at Approx. 4.30am. This being the case, how is it that the bin lorry driver is supposed to have seen the teenagers in the vicinity of Short Brackland at 4.20am?
I know the binman may not have been sure of the exact time he spotted them, but if the police/family know the bin lorry left BSE at 4am then surely they would say that the binman saw the teenagers at approx 4am.
I know it's only a small details and I may have got it completely wrong but it just seemed odd to me.
 
I'll tell you what I'm confused about, perhaps someone can answer...

If it's true that Corrie couldn't have left the bin area without being seen on CCTV, how could a vehicle (which is much bigger than a human, obvs) have evaded being seen by the same camera. I don't geddit. Unless there is unreleased footage of another vehicle in that area, they are saying he MUST have left on the bin lorry. Yes? No? Don't know?
 
Hi everyone, newbie here although I've followed Websleuth's as a 'Guest' since the Rebecca Watts case. I've been following Corrie's disappearance from the beginning and am no longer sure what I think may have happened to him.
Tonight, I was reading Corrie's family's update on the Thunderclap and noticed the info about the teenagers seen in the area. Correct me if I am wrong, but it was put out there that Corrie's phone 'could' potentially have been transported in the bin lorry to Barton Mills. Apparently, leaving BSE at 4am and arriving in the area of Barton Mills at Approx. 4.30am. This being the case, how is it that the bin lorry driver is supposed to have seen the teenagers in the vicinity of Short Brackland at 4.20am?
I know the binman may not have been sure of the exact time he spotted them, but if the police/family know the bin lorry left BSE at 4am then surely they would say that the binman saw the teenagers at approx 4am.
I know it's only a small details and I may have got it completely wrong but it just seemed odd to me.

Great first post, extremely good point, 10 housepoints, and welcome!!
 
I'll tell you what I'm confused about, perhaps someone can answer...

If it's true that Corrie couldn't have left the bin area without being seen on CCTV, how could a vehicle (which is much bigger than a human, obvs) have evaded being seen by the same camera. I don't geddit. Unless there is unreleased footage of another vehicle in that area, they are saying he MUST have left on the bin lorry. Yes? No? Don't know?

Quite easily *if* the cameras are on auto sweep with a ~3 minute window. Still lucky but a real possibility.
 
Quite easily *if* the cameras are on auto sweep with a ~3 minute window. Still lucky but a real possibility.

Yeah but here's the latest update from Tony in case someone hasn't seen it (mods, hope ok to post this as it's from one of the page admins)
BRITISH SERVICEMAN CORRIE MCKEAGUE TAKEN
Corrie disappeared over 5 weeks ago following 2 previous failed abduction attempts of other servicemen at nearby bases
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WHY IS THIS NOT NATIONAL NEWS?
The circumstances around Corrie's disappearance are described below, followed by previously undisclosed information from Corrie's family.

Suffolk Police Major Investigation Team are searching for 23-year-old Corrie McKeague, a Team Medic and Senior Airman in the RAF Regimental Gunners 2 squadron.
Corrie who was last seen on CCTV after a night out with other serving airmen in Bury St Edmunds at 0325 on Saturday 24th September.
After extensive review, it has been determined that the probability of Corrie being able to leave the area he was last seen on cctv on foot are minimal. It is now assumed he left in a vehicle, with a person or persons unknown. There is no evidence to suggest Corrie disappeared through choice, suggesting this was against his will.

SULSAR, (a charity) have provided most of the search ability carrying out over 5000 hours, including a number of RAF police and specialist teams which have also been used to assist a team of Police search officers.
RAF and Military are desperate to assist in the search of one of their own, at no financial cost to the police, but must respect that this is Suffolk Police that are investigating and can only assist when requested.

Despite all the efforts of the family assisted by over 50,000 facebook followers 12,000 follows on a webpage wwwfindcorrie.co.uk and thousands on Twitter @findcorrie, door to door leaflet drops, organised leaflet drops at football matches, car boot sales firework displays, Bury St Edmunds town centre has a poster in almost every window, over 150 thousand posters and leaflets have been printed, collected and delivered by members of the public, at their own cost and in their own time. The RAF at the request of Corrie’s mother and brothers have also been out in their own time to assist the family and public with this.
The police are now printing a maximum or 1000 leaflets and asking for the assistance of the RAF in their own time. In place of carrying out door to door enquires by uniformed officers.

The police traced Corrie’s mobile phone to a micro mast in the area of Barton Mills in the early hours on Saturday September 24. A bin lorry which was in the exact area that Corrie was last seen has made the journey from Bury to Barton Mills, within a few minutes of Corrie’s phone arriving. The police have since made the decision not to search the landfill and released this back.

Police made an appeal requesting assistance to trace three people believed to be aged 16 to 18 who were spotted by the bin lorry driver on Cornhill Walk shopping centre on Short Brackland, Bury, at around 4.20am on September 24. They are described as a white female, of quite slim build, possibly with blonde hair wearing either a dark green or navy blue jumper-style top, and two males, one wearing a hooded top. These three have been identified and spoken too.

Police identified a male in a distinctive black and white t shirt be traced. This male was traced through efforts of the family.

Corrie’s family is perhaps slightly unusual in their collective knowledge and backgrounds in Police, Intelligence & Security. As a result, information has been identified or analysis conducted which the Police have not had the capacity or capability to undertake, or perhaps have, but chosen not to communicate this with the family. As a result, there is a lack of trust towards the media management approach the Police have employed to date, including coming out immediately after Corrie disappeared, emphatically claiming there was ‘no third party involvement’, clearly not a statement supported by the evidence then or now.

It was the family which has driven all of the media engagement, in spite of reporting restrictions that have been imposed due to the links with the other two recent abduction attempts of British Servicemen from nearby Marham and Aldershot within a matter of weeks prior to Corrie’s disappearance. No connection to any terrorist group or individual has been confirmed or discounted yet, both remain open investigations, however there appears to be similarities in MO in all three. Clearly a D Notice would not be confirmed, or possibly even denied by the Government Media committee responsible, but it is not difficult to recognise that having Servicemen abducted on their doorstep is not good Politically as it points towards a consequence of this Government’s military Foreign policy in the Middle East, nor does it help the current failing military recruitment and retention strategy, in what is a recruiting heartland.

It is our summary that Corrie has disappeared against his will, a 3rd party is involved. There are numerous leads that have not been followed up and evidence that has not been effectively processed. The Police’s claim that this is an Intelligence Lead operation has been a euphemism for cost constrained. Prior to the Major Investigation Team taking control of this investigation the family felt incredibly safe that everything was being done it was being treated “as a homicide, without evidence or body” as police were already “99.9% certain Corrie had not left on foot, and had been unable to return of his own accord”. This is a Major Investigation Team in name not function.

I bolded the bit I'm confused about. If the camera panned away long enough to miss a vehicle, it could also have missed a person. Am I being thick?! Or are they indirectly saying he must have left on the bin lorry?
 
I'll tell you what I'm confused about, perhaps someone can answer...

If it's true that Corrie couldn't have left the bin area without being seen on CCTV, how could a vehicle (which is much bigger than a human, obvs) have evaded being seen by the same camera. I don't geddit. Unless there is unreleased footage of another vehicle in that area, they are saying he MUST have left on the bin lorry. Yes? No? Don't know?

there will be unreleased footage probably only released when they have failed to identify
 
Having read and listened to an author who covers many cases similar to this i.e. separated from friends and phone, which was hinted at on Thread #1, I'm going with seemingly unexplained accident for the Quick Poll.
 
Yeah but here's the latest update from Tony in case someone hasn't seen it (mods, hope ok to post this as it's from one of the page admins)


I bolded the bit I'm confused about. If the camera panned away long enough to miss a vehicle, it could also have missed a person. Am I being thick?! Or are they indirectly saying he must have left on the bin lorry?

It doesn't make sense so maybe they are trying to tell us something. It's puzzled me from the start that there was an almost immediate assumption that Corrie had left in a vehicle, this only makes sense if there is information that hasn't been made public yet as it is, as you say, nonsense to say that you can be sure he didn't leave on foot yet appear to have no sight of a vehicle other than the bin lorry which you categorically state he wasn't on or in :confused:
 
Yes, we know he had it to send the picture message slightly after 3am but there has been a noticeable silence on what the CCTV shows him doing in the doorway until just before 3.24 when he gets going to the bins.

He probably did still have it but as with all the other "facts" of this case there seems to be a reluctance to confirm this, makes me wonder why.

yes there is a gap that i picked up from the start. i just couldn't get my head around why he would wait 20 minutes plus before moving from the doorway after sending the text. hence why i think he was waiting around.
 
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