[FONT=&]Typically, whena death results in a murder charge and criminal trial, a coroner will open and immediately adjourn an inquest, as happened in Ellie’s case. However, following the conclusion of the trial it is unusual for an inquest to be reopened.
[/FONT][FONT=&]Ellie’s grandfather Neal Gray, 70, told the Guardian he hoped a full inquest into his granddaughter’s death would answer outstanding questions.
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[FONT=&]“I was very pleased when the coroner contacted me,” he said. “I have been calling for a public inquiry because I feel that there should be a further investigation into Mrs Justice Hogg, the judge who ruled that Ellie could be returned to her parents, and independent social workers from Services for Children.[/FONT]
Will it benefit the perps. In any way i guess is what im getting at? ... or finding reasons behind reasons given. And finding persons accountable?There could be a full coroner's inquest.
https://www.theguardian.com/society/2016/jul/21/ellie-butler-coroner-could-reopen-inquest
I just use chrome on my phone, but use the full site option. That works OK for me, thread titles can get a bit small but I just zoom in.Oh gosh i really DO SO HATE THIS FLIPPING UPDATE!
Thats why i havent been here as much. Its so awkward. Compared to before
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I sure might go that way myself. The notifications i get on here are driving me insane. Its wine o'clock.... time to pour a large one !I just use chrome on my phone, but use the full site option. That works OK for me, thread titles can get a bit small but I just zoom in.
To appeal they have to get counsel to draft grounds of appeal and although I wasn't present I can't see what grounds they would have. They can apply out of time is after the 28 days if they get new barristers who would then have to look through all the papers. The only grounds will be that the judge has made an error in his summing up or in any of his rulings in the legal arguments throughout the trial.
Incidentally I am told that JG is in bronze field and on the health care wing separated from everyone. She is being looked after and watched most carefully by the wardens in there and is still denying she has done anything wrong and should not be in there . She is not allowed to mix with anyone at this stage for her own safety so has her own room with shower etc.
I don`t know if this Jeremy Vine (BBC2) discussion/interview was ever posted here. It is interesting to listen to - there were some facts talked about which I wasn`t previously aware of.
http://www.bbc.co.uk/programmes/b07fl29k
The relevant discussion about Ellie is about 32 minutes in to the programme and lasts for about 25 minutes. If you want to listen, according to the site there is only 14 hours left before it`s removed, so you have to be quick!!
Apparently JG had had * three* previous miscarriages due to being kicked below the waist by BB. I had wondered and been confused about what were miscarriages and what were abortions, but that makes sense because in one text (when she was in hospital and BB was threatening all sorts if she didn`t get home pronto), she talked about her "f...ed abortion with the baby (boy) still inside her.
JG`s father also said that both BB and JG had been assessed by a forensic psychiatrist at Chase Farm hospital who stated that neither BB or JG should ever be left alone with their children! I hadn`t been aware of that.
Also the grandfather said that Ellie had been handed back and therefore left her old school on 9th December yet didn`t begin her new school until the following March/April. Where the heck were the independent social workers???
Apologies if this programme has already been posted. If you haven`t listened to it, it is worth listening to (but as I say you have to be quick!)
Michelle
Butler’s appeal bid emerged during a separate court of appeal hearing in relation to his case on Friday. The second most senior judge in England and Wales has been asked to decide whether a family court judge’s behind-closed-doors ruling relating to the murder should be made public.
John Dyson, the master of the rolls and the head of civil justice in England and Wales, has ruled that the media can have access to a ruling made by a high court judge in 2014 on the death of Ellie.
Seven media organisations including the Guardian made submissions to the court of appeal after a family court judge refused the press permission to publish the judgment on the death, on the grounds that Butler might in the future face a retrial. The media however continue to be barred from reporting on that judgment until agreement is reached on redactions made for legal reasons. It is not known if Gray has lodged an appeal.