Found Deceased UK - Libby Squire, 21, last seen getting into a taxi outside Welly club, Hull, 31 Jan 2019

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molly67 said:
Just wondering if the fact she self harmed has brought the police to conclude she has potentially jumped in the lake .... I have read about self harm but it doesn't always lead to suicide. I hope they have clues we are not aware of that is leading to a resolution
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I wouldn't think so? The scarring looks old, at least from the pictures I've seen. Unless they have evidence that she also did it recently, it would be very odd for them to draw any conclusions as to what happened based off something she did when she was younger.
 
Sera said:
You're right, it doesn't always lead to suicide, but since we're not aware of what mental health issues Libby actually had/has (aside from the blatant self-harming) and not knowing whether she had a history of suicidal thoughts or attempts, I would be willing to bet that if she does indeed still self - harm she is depressed, and depression + being wasted/so drunk you can't walk in a straight line is NOT good at all. Alcohol is a depressant, if you are already depressed it makes things worse, the more you drink the worse things seem, and after the initial "buzz" of feeling hyper and happy, things can go downhill extremely quickly. I myself still have to control how much I drink as anything more than a couple of units and I end up thinking awful things that I rarely think when I'm sober. Every single one of my suicide attempts has happened when I've been wasted and can barely remember how I even ended up in hospital.
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This made me sad. I hope you're in a good mental place currently.
 
I've been following this thread since Libby went missing. I went to Hull University and still live relatively close by so I'm hoping i can be of some help.

The student halls you live in first year are either in a place called Cottingham which is 3.5 miles from the university - You have to bus in. Or you can live directly on the university campus which is ~20 min walk from there Libby lives now. In my opinion Libby wouldnt know the area she lives in now very well. As a second year she will only have lived there since mid-late September and there is a long Christmas break of 3-4 weeks,. The only reason she would have visited this area previously would have been on nights out to The Adelphi, The Welly, The Haworth, The Gardeners Arms etc. Therefore she could easily have got lost if she decided to start walking back drunk to find her friends/to go to another friends house. I got really lost myself once trying to get to the bus stop back to campus and I hadn't been drinking.

The halls of residence are really nice and you feels much safer. When I moved in to a student house near Libby we didn't feel safe in the area at all. My housemate worked in a hotel bar a 10 min walk from home and someone tried to mug her. After that she used to get walked home by a male member of staff of get a taxi even though it was such a short distance. We all hated her working late and worried about her safety.

The University has exams in January. I've just double checked and the start of term was 28th Jan. The reason The Shrugger said she was hugging everyone saying its nice to be back together is most likely because they wont have had a night out since before Christmas. In my house everyone returned at different times because of exams, some courses having more than others. No one ever did any studying at home over Christmas so it was cram time. The night was probably a celebration it was all over and a start to the new term - hence Libby drinking so much. I am super surprised she didn't get in The Welly. A trip advisory review of "If you want to get really drunk and not remember anything about yourself then welly is the place" describes it well so she must have been pretty much unable to walk at this point.

Most of the water near Libby house is very shallow and even though some of it is free flowing I don't think its deep enough to carry someone away.

The rest of this post is just my speculation really based on the facts...
It sounds like she left the phone at home or forgot it. I saw somewhere her housemate said if she had been without her phone before she had got in contact. In all honesty I several times at uni lost or forgot my phone. Maybe she purposely didnt take it if she'd lost them previously?
I don't believe either her or her housemate knew she was without keys. I lost my keys and locked myself out several times while at uni. I also on occasion did go out without them if I knew I was with my housemates. However, clearly her housemate didnt know she couldnt get in or she would have gone with her/give her the keys.
It would be common place to put a fried to worse for wear in a taxi from The Welly or the clubs around their home. Its not far and its a lot safer than walking. I think either her friend got the time wrong about her getting in the taxi (the police should have some CCTV to work this out) or something very strange happened. That road is not that busy at that time of night and even if she stopped for cash/to be sick it took her a long time to get home.
I dont think the CCTV footage of her on the bench will be released. Its could be very distressing for friends and family if Libby was in a mess to see this and not good for anyone.

My theories
  1. She got lost trying to make her way to her friends or someone she knows house (could be near the pond) and ended up in the water.
    As the weather has warmed and the ponds been searched several times I feel she would have been found by now?
  2. She was abducted or taken by someone
    I just find this unlikely too. I dont think the woman who heard screams will amount to anything and even though its not impossible I feel like she was on the whole in areas with some CCTV so this might have been spotted. Although I wouldnt feel safe personally in this area at that time of night.
  3. She went round the back of the house to try and get in through a window/another door and ended up in the drain
    This feels the most likely to me but the water isnt that deep so surely it would have been frozen last week and she would have been found now? Same if she hid somewhere else with hyperthermia. If it was still moving then she could be in the humber by now and unfortunately never get found . I.
  4. Mental health related
    I think this is a red herring and could potentially divert focus and why the family have asked for specific photos to be used.
Really stumped as to whats happened and it seems the police arent sure by he slow down in the case. All I can hope is she is found safe
 
If the Sun article referencing her parents visiting Libby’s house is correct, then I believe that would make her address 32 Wellesley Avenue and not the house with the black doors that police were working on. I believe this is the house in question, it went to market last summer Rightmove.co.uk
 
I think they are trying to control the narrative with this new statement. It mentions multiple times she was sociable.
An earlier article talked of Libby keeping ‘herself to herself’ and spending a lot of time in her room. Even on here some of the discussion has been around Libby’s mental state and her scarring. I think they are trying to share that she was a well-balanced, normal young lady so that people don’t just chalk it down to run off or suicide.

It reminds me of Corrie McKeague and how they tried to change the discussion away from certain aspects of his life and mental health.

Libby Squire: From High Wycombe to Hull | Humberside Police
 
Happybunny86 said:
I've been following this thread since Libby went missing. I went to Hull University and still live relatively close by so I'm hoping i can be of some help.

The student halls you live in first year are either in a place called Cottingham which is 3.5 miles from the university - You have to bus in. Or you can live directly on the university campus which is ~20 min walk from there Libby lives now. In my opinion Libby wouldnt know the area she lives in now very well. As a second year she will only have lived there since mid-late September and there is a long Christmas break of 3-4 weeks,. The only reason she would have visited this area previously would have been on nights out to The Adelphi, The Welly, The Haworth, The Gardeners Arms etc. Therefore she could easily have got lost if she decided to start walking back drunk to find her friends/to go to another friends house. I got really lost myself once trying to get to the bus stop back to campus and I hadn't been drinking.

The halls of residence are really nice and you feels much safer. When I moved in to a student house near Libby we didn't feel safe in the area at all. My housemate worked in a hotel bar a 10 min walk from home and someone tried to mug her. After that she used to get walked home by a male member of staff of get a taxi even though it was such a short distance. We all hated her working late and worried about her safety.

The University has exams in January. I've just double checked and the start of term was 28th Jan. The reason The Shrugger said she was hugging everyone saying its nice to be back together is most likely because they wont have had a night out since before Christmas. In my house everyone returned at different times because of exams, some courses having more than others. No one ever did any studying at home over Christmas so it was cram time. The night was probably a celebration it was all over and a start to the new term - hence Libby drinking so much. I am super surprised she didn't get in The Welly. A trip advisory review of "If you want to get really drunk and not remember anything about yourself then welly is the place" describes it well so she must have been pretty much unable to walk at this point.

Most of the water near Libby house is very shallow and even though some of it is free flowing I don't think its deep enough to carry someone away.

The rest of this post is just my speculation really based on the facts...
It sounds like she left the phone at home or forgot it. I saw somewhere her housemate said if she had been without her phone before she had got in contact. In all honesty I several times at uni lost or forgot my phone. Maybe she purposely didnt take it if she'd lost them previously?
I don't believe either her or her housemate knew she was without keys. I lost my keys and locked myself out several times while at uni. I also on occasion did go out without them if I knew I was with my housemates. However, clearly her housemate didnt know she couldnt get in or she would have gone with her/give her the keys.
It would be common place to put a fried to worse for wear in a taxi from The Welly or the clubs around their home. Its not far and its a lot safer than walking. I think either her friend got the time wrong about her getting in the taxi (the police should have some CCTV to work this out) or something very strange happened. That road is not that busy at that time of night and even if she stopped for cash/to be sick it took her a long time to get home.
I dont think the CCTV footage of her on the bench will be released. Its could be very distressing for friends and family if Libby was in a mess to see this and not good for anyone.

My theories
  1. She got lost trying to make her way to her friends or someone she knows house (could be near the pond) and ended up in the water.
    As the weather has warmed and the ponds been searched several times I feel she would have been found by now?
  2. She was abducted or taken by someone
    I just find this unlikely too. I dont think the woman who heard screams will amount to anything and even though its not impossible I feel like she was on the whole in areas with some CCTV so this might have been spotted. Although I wouldnt feel safe personally in this area at that time of night.
  3. She went round the back of the house to try and get in through a window/another door and ended up in the drain
    This feels the most likely to me but the water isnt that deep so surely it would have been frozen last week and she would have been found now? Same if she hid somewhere else with hyperthermia. If it was still moving then she could be in the humber by now and unfortunately never get found . I.
  4. Mental health related
    I think this is a red herring and could potentially divert focus and why the family have asked for specific photos to be used.
Really stumped as to whats happened and it seems the police arent sure by he slow down in the case. All I can hope is she is found safe
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What a fantastic post. Thank you.

I'm inclined to believe that she fell into water in her drunken state.
 
Stella8 said:
If the Sun article referencing her parents visiting Libby’s house is correct, then I believe that would make her address 32 Wellesley Avenue and not the house with the black doors that police were working on. I believe this is the house in question, it went to market last summer Rightmove.co.uk
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Interesting.

I did wonder about Libby’s living arrangements. Some of the houses sleep 6-9. So was wondering why 3 students would pay rent on a house that sleeps that many. It makes sense if they actually live in one of the smaller ones like you shared.
 
Blamhappy said:
This made me sad. I hope you're in a good mental place currently.
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Sorry it made you sad, thanks for your thoughts. Wasn't mentioning it for sympathy though, just feel my experiences may be relevant to the case and potentially Libby's state of mind. One year ago on the 10th February since I was last in hospital, can happily say I'm in a much better place but still don't drink much (partly due to the damage last year's attempt did to my organs, partly because I still end up feeling suicidal when I drink too much). What I think is important and maybe relevant to the case is that even though it's been a year since any major mental health incident and I consider myself to be feeling much better, as recently as December I drank too much on Christmas and can't remember anything from that night but my partner said I was saying I wanted to die. And that is months after I last hurt myself - point being, even if the scars are old, alcohol can bring things back to the surface, especially if emotions are already running high.
 
LittleMystery said:
I think they are trying to control the narrative with this new statement. It mentions multiple times she was sociable.
An earlier article talked of Libby keeping ‘herself to herself’ and spending a lot of time in her room. Even on here some of the discussion has been around Libby’s mental state and her scarring. I think they are trying to share that she was a well-balanced, normal young lady so that people don’t just chalk it down to run off or suicide.
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I completely agree. Mental health issues are very common and would undoubtedly be a factor in a high % of missing persons cases if we wrote off anyone who has ever experienced mental health issues in this way. It is unfortunate that Libby's mental health seems to visible (although I haven't seen the photos personally) its proving to be an unlikely distraction in my opinion.
 
Sera said:
Sorry it made you sad, thanks for your thoughts. Wasn't mentioning it for sympathy though, just feel my experiences may be relevant to the case and potentially Libby's state of mind. One year ago on the 10th February since I was last in hospital, can happily say I'm in a much better place but still don't drink much (partly due to the damage last year's attempt did to my organs, partly because I still end up feeling suicidal when I drink too much). What I think is important and maybe relevant to the case is that even though it's been a year since any major mental health incident and I consider myself to be feeling much better, as recently as December I drank too much on Christmas and can't remember anything from that night but my partner said I was saying I wanted to die. And that is months after I last hurt myself - point being, even if the scars are old, alcohol can bring things back to the surface, especially if emotions are already running high.
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I see. Thank you for the insight. (I'm glad you're better.)
 
Hatfield said:
Ive been wondering if its possible the scream was true but maybe it was because she was falling into icy cold water.
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It's a thought. I'm not sure how people react when something like that happens. I'm not much of a screamer - I tend to become silent and think instantly about how I can get out of my predicament. But I'm not Libby...
 
I think I'm gonna have to hit the hay - too tired and too much to untangle in my brain to get things straight. Can't imagine what it must be like to be a detective working on a case like this or worse, the family involved. The thoughts going through their heads must be constant, exhausting and terrifying.

Hoping for some sort of news tomorrow.
 
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Ot but you younger folk are lucky...I was in a tiny triple room in college...really small. One twin bed and a bunk bed set...both my roommates were larger women so I had to take the top bunk :(

I don’t think the room was any bigger than my small bedroom in my small apartment now...
 
Happybunny86 said:
I do. I thought it was unlikely at first. However I think a lot of the other narratives would mean that Libby would be more likely to have been found by now.
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cluciano63 said:
Ot but you younger folk are lucky...I was in a tiny triple room in college...really small. One twin bed and a bunk bed set...both my roommates were larger women so I had to take the top bunk :(

I don’t think the room was any bigger than my small bedroom in my small apartment now...
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You were unlucky back then. All my uni rooms (I think I lived four places altogether) were large, and one had an an suite!
 
Important to remember also that abduction doesn’t necessarily mean premeditated. Many cases have unfortunately revealed what started as something else escalated. Eg. Someone makes advances on a person who becomes uncomfortable or startled and screams and in attempting to stop them screaming they end up causing harm or bringing them into their house or car either to calm them or out of fear that they are going to tell someone what happened/ draw attention
 
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