Found Deceased UK - Nicola Bulley Last Seen Walking Dog Near River - St Michaels on Wyre (Lancashire) #4

[SuzyQ70]

I got the impression and I could well be wrong because it's an impression that she didn't specify as if more was to be procured..?
Anybody else remember exactly how the Fitbit question was answered?
I don't use them but I think there may be levels?

The super said they are currently looking at the data on her Fitbit.

 

[Firstsnow4]

I got the impression and I could well be wrong because it's an impression that she didn't specify as if more was to be procured..?
Anybody else remember exactly how the Fitbit question was answered?
I don't use them but I think there may be levels?

They said they have a team of digital experts looking at the Fitbit data and phone data etc. but unless she has her Fitbit set to sync automatically (which would do it every 10 mins or so) she would need to physically go in and sync it to the app on her phone (which is what I do to save battery). So unless she done that prior to being separated from the phone I’m not sure how they could get that data (unless Fitbit can advise the police). JMO.

 

[Mexx]

Was anything said about location information from her Fitbit? I've never owned one of these so I've no idea whether it would be useful or not, in this respect. But assuming she did fall into the river, is there any likelihood it would have given sufficient information for them to assume she was still near the river?

I also know little about Fitbit....but it would be presumed the device was attached to her....remote access would be possible, but IMO it could not confirm with absolute certainty whether the device was attached to NB or another. Hope this makes sense.

 

[msmarple99]

I also know little about Fitbit....but it would be presumed the device was attached to her....remote access would be possible, but IMO it could not confirm with absolute certainty whether the device was attached to NB or another. Hope this makes sense.

Good point although that then makes them trackable,why would they want that

 

[JimmyBets]

Can it be narrowed down more? We've only got 10 though she did allude to a very small amount of time on either side of the 10 but I didn't get the impression it was close to 15..

NB was never seen at the bench. Last seen in the Upper Filed fairly close to the service road which runs through Rowanwater

 

[Dixie007]

Could the Fitbit have been thrown in the river and NB is somewhere else?

 

[Haveyoufedthecat]

Dreadful question I know but how long and extensively will the Police search the River. I am just so disturbed by the lack of any evidence... Clothing or anything in the River being found. Just so dreadfully upsetting.

 

[ChocolateChip]

If she fell into the river surely her big long gilet would of come up to the surface. I have one and when they get wet they kind of puff up. Even if her body was under the surface of the water I'd imagine the gilet would float up to the top as they are really long and lots of material

I’ve just researched and sinking would happen first in a case of drowning

 

[annpats]

Personally I find it really hard to believe she fell in and still suspect foul play. The lack of marks / anything being recovered despite such a rapid search just feels wrong to me.

I think this is what a lot of us are thinking.

To fall in a river and leave no marks in the mud or bracken on the embankment, for no-one to hear her shout, for the police not to have recovered anything (even a small piece of clothing like a hat) seems odd and defies logic.

But the alternative of someone abducting or harming her in the 20 mins between when a witness saw her and her phone was found by someone else seems even more logic defying.

Both would involve a succession of rare events to occur to make them happen. But sometimes a series of unlikely happening does happen.

 

[renlikhs]

Hi everyone, first time I've posted but I've been (trying!) To keep up with all threads since the start -along with threads on other unrelated incidents! Sorry if this has already been covered!

With regard to the Fitbit, they must be able to tell when she became separated from her phone as the Fitbit would have stopped syncing to it. The app tells you when the Fitbit last synced.

Whilst I'm sure the police have access to far more Fitbit data than us Fitbit users, I lost mine recently and it seems the only way to find it is to retrace your steps until it links back to your phone (luckily I knew roughly where I may have lost mine); obviously there may be ways for LE to access data but I can't really see how as I think all connectivity is run through the linked phone (I believe).

I'm assuming Willow's harness etc has been examined for forensics? It leapt out at me early on that they could, potentially, have been a weapon then left discarded on the bank (in this hypothetical scenario) because the perp heard someone coming so tried to throw them in the river whilst running to hide. Would also explain why the harness wasn't on Willow.

Obviously this is all MOO and I really hope I haven't broken any rules!

*Edited due to typo*

 

[tor96]

I also know little about Fitbit....but it would be presumed the device was attached to her....remote access would be possible, but IMO it could not confirm with absolute certainty whether the device was attached to NB or another. Hope this makes sense.

My sister has one, her husband can see when she is at the gym etc, heart rate, nothing dodgy it's just how it is set up same both sides.

 

[Tyzer]

I think this is what a lot of us are thinking.

To fall in a river and leave no marks in the mud or bracken on the embankment, for no-one to hear her shout, for the police not to have recovered anything (even a small piece of clothing like a hat) seems odd and defies logic.

But the alternative of someone abducting or harming her in the 20 mins between when a witness saw her and her phone was found by someone else seems even more logic defying.

Both would involve a succession of rare events to occur to make them happen. But sometimes a series of unlikely happening does happen.

NB was not wearing a hat so what other clothing could be recovered?

 

[tor96]

I got the impression and I could well be wrong because it's an impression that she didn't specify as if more was to be procured..?
Anybody else remember exactly how the Fitbit question was answered?
I don't use them but I think there may be levels?

She had a light blue fitbit, obviously it would have collected data, heart rate etc

 

[CuriousObserver1]

Was there mentioned in one of these threads about a missing ‘ball thrower’ handle? If so I assume they would have asked for it as if that turned up down river would support this theory as could have been leaning to reach the ball with it.

Did Nicola Bulley slip into river trying to retrieve dog's tennis ball? Missing mother may have been weighed down by her two heavy coats, police believe - as outdoor swimming expert says cold water shock may have stopped her reaching safety​

Nicola Bulley may have been weighed down by her heavy clothing

The mother-of-two, 45, was last seen wearing an ankle-length black quilted gilet jacket, a black Engelbert Strauss waist-length coat, tight-fitting jeans and green wellies.

www.dailymail.co.uk

 

[themagiceye]

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Why assume an abduction ? Or hiding anything ? Think how quickly someone could simply strike her over the head and just push her into the water (seconds), with them entering and leaving by the road which has no CCTV. It would take someone a total of a few minutes. The area could simply not be busy enough for there to be witnesses.

 

[Happygirlie2003]

data from the phone, this was confirmed at the press conference today

The phone was on the bench but I’m not convinced that means Nicola was with the phone

 

[Beginnersleuth]

WIP but I think these may be the exits to the lanes:
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Here is her original route:
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So is “garstang lane” from the press conference really the rowanwater->garstang road route?

 

[Firstsnow4]

I’m sure it’s these 2 exits that they need to double down on. Any dash cam footage would identify anyone, or any vehicles that were exiting onto Garstang Rd in that 10/15 minute grey area.

So potentially where she was last seen in the upper field is close to the Rowanwater lodges (red circle on map). If she had been abducted in the top right hand corner of that field, could she have been put in a car (concealed) and then taken up that road to the exit at Garstang road? Can you even get through to Rowanwater from the upper field? JMO.

Rowanwater

maps.apple.com

 

[tor96]

Could the Fitbit have been thrown in the river and NB is somewhere else?

Doubtful in ten mins, abducted someone, without being seen, placed phone etc then got away unseen by witness, then even knowing she had a fit bit on

 

[tor96]

NB was not wearing a hat so what other clothing could be recovered?

She wasn't wearing a hat! Poor dog probably trampled all traces