GUILTY UT - Michele MacNeill, 50, found dead in bathtub, Pleasant Grove, 11 April 2007 - #3

[bsk]

An hour - It was supposed to start up 10 minutes ago.

oops I had the seal and reloaded, and they have started.

 

[digitalwindows]

The only thing I have gathered so far as to what their testimony will be is that it may focus on letters which Gypsy and the defendant secretly passed along through third parties (see arrest affidavit for details) as not allowed to....as they were both in separate prisons at the time for the fraud charges. She was interviewed by LE and said she and he were no longer in contact, she had moved on in life and DENIED DENIED DENIED, and then, voila, LE presented her with the letters supposedly saying they still wanted to marry even while in jail and SURPRISE, she admitted and concocted a story.

4 inmates....from two institutions testifying iirc on Friday and next Tuesday. Assume those that were involved in those and other communications with Gypsy and the defendant. Shall be interesting.

Ooooo I hope you are right! I thought they were going to talk about MM saying his wife was a biatch and he was glad she was gone. And implying various scenarios of how she died.

 

[YESorNO]

I am somewhat disappointed about the information (references/jobs) that Alexis provided in her application for medical school. I hope she doesn't suffer any repercussions, but if the information was not accurate, it could be bad.

I Googled what letters of recommendation are required for med school applications and found this:
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https://sites.google.com/a/uw.edu/pre-med-hub/join-us/06-letters-of-recommendation

"Before you apply, you must identify at least four people to write letters of recommendation for you. These people must be:

- 2 faculty members who taught a hard science course that you took (i.e. chemistry, biology, physics, engineering, computer science, etc.)
- 1 faculty member who taught a non-science course (i.e. humanities, social sciences, or fine arts)
- 1 non-faculty member, such as a volunteer coordinator, program adviser, employer, etc.

Some schools will accept a letter from a research principal investigator (PI) in lieu of one of the science faculty's. If you have enjoyed and benefited from a research experience, then definitely ask your PI for a letter of recommendation. Also, some schools will accept up to six letters of recommendation, so it's a good idea to collect some letters beyond the minimum requirements listed above.

If you have spent several years working between your undergraduate education and applying for medical school, some schools may require that you submit one or two letters from employers or other evaluators to speak to what you've done during that time."
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I don't know what category her father would fall under???? Maybe "non-faculty"? Normally those letters are not to be sent by family members or acquaintances, anyway in any college applications.
Her father never should have sent a letter. He should have know better. But of course, he is not a reputable person himself.
It could be that Alexis had so many other letters of rec., that the college didn't need her father's and didn't even look at it??? IMO

 

[scorekeeper]

changed to undetermined instead of natural

based on drug values - meaning drugs could/would be a factor

Dr. Grey changed the report to reflect the above

 

[renatae]

Did that photo of Gypsy already come in? If so then I would think what she is wearing can be heard in court?

It was shown to Gypsy's mom, and it was the one her mom turned upside down while testifying. :floorlaugh:

 

[Bravo]

My GlamDaughter is back. Guy fired. You don't disrespect an animal. Guess that's why It's so hard to wrap your head around a murder case and yet we all worry about an animal. I have no Grand Children to date. She is my Glamdaughter. Could that be an indicator I am not a Sociopath LOL :floorlaugh:

ETA- Just for the record I am GlamMother LOL not a Grandmother to my Avery.
ETA- It's our youngest Son's dog

 

[smeck]

How in the world could have Michelle been married to this man for all those years without knowing what kind of man he was and is?

 

[TorisMom003]

The defense appears to be spinning their wheels for no reason other than to confuse the jury. There are some facts that they are not going to be able to explain away when it comes to Michele's death. There was no reason for the amount of drugs to be in Michele's system at her time of death. There was no reason whatsoever for Michele to have Ambien in her system at the time of her death. There was no reason whatsoever for Michele, who knew her sensitivity to narcotics, to attempt to take a bath when home alone when she was under the influence of all of the medications that she had in her system. If the jury remembers the above then all of the other nonsense that the defense is trying to "prove" will not matter at all, IMO.

 

[TorisMom003]

How in the world could have Michelle been married to this man for all those years without knowing what kind of man he was and is?

For some people it is more difficult to see the person that they are married to even though they live with that person day after day. It is often easier for others on the outside to see that something is really wrong. We also need to remember that Martin is the father of her children and as such most women (and men if the situation was reversed) would prefer to think that their husband is not a lying, cheating, piece of crap who also has influence over the children.

MOO

 

[websurfer]

hmmmm...... I am the 13th juror and am medically illiterate and this testimony is making that condition much worse as per understanding the TOXICOLOGY REPORT

 

[Bravo]

How in the world could have Michelle been married to this man for all those years without knowing what kind of man he was and is?

Study a Sociopath. They are charming and charmers. IMO it was likely easy for Michele in the early days. She was a beauty queen. Him educated and promise. I cant verify by fact but it seems Michele was happy to be a stay at home Mom and tend as a loving Mom. I believe she did that. I believe the indicators were over a period of time. Throw in some verbal/psychological abuse that happened when Martin needed to deflect. I think Michele tried to keep the Family together. I believe Michele became broken too. Sadly.

 

[Bayou Mistress]

While I don't like it, the defense is doing a good job with Dr. Grey. I don't like saying so, because the general "feel" here is to "detest" the defense, but when someone is doing a good job, even defenders of nasty, it should not be ignored.

 

[popsicle]

While I don't like it, the defense is doing a good job with Dr. Grey. I don't like saying so, because the general "feel" here is to "detest" the defense, but when someone is doing a good job, even defenders of nasty, it should not be ignored.

I have said before that they are doing a good job... it just doesn't matter the things they are pointing out, for the most part.

 

[Chelly]

While I don't like it, the defense is doing a good job with Dr. Grey. I don't like saying so, because the general "feel" here is to "detest" the defense, but when someone is doing a good job, even defenders of nasty, it should not be ignored.

Agree, the defense has made some points with the jury in this cross..imo.

 

[CUCKOOHEAD]

Judge just reversed himself once defense stated their position.

 

[scorekeeper]

I am really tired of.........

"it's fair to say"...........

 

[ScarlettScarpetta]

I just don't see the defense over coming what I know so far. I am just turning on the Dr's testimony now.

I could not take any more picking at Alexis testimony.. It was ridiculous.

 

[renatae]

I was give a similar suppository after surgery for vomiting. I wasn't taking any other medication with it because I couldn't hold it down. The medication in the suppository made me so foggy I went to the ER. I could barely hold up my head and couldn't think. It made me feel drugged and the ER doctor said it is notorious for those type of symptoms. I now have it on my list of meds to never take again!

I can't imagine mixing that med with other oral ones. He would have had to carry her to the bathtub. I doubt she could have even stood.

Many people go completely loopy when given Phenergan. Some can't even carry on a coherent conversation. Others, like myself, aren't affected that way, but I would agree, many people would have a difficult time navigating after having been given Phenergan. It was our practice not to have patients ambulate without help after having received it.

 

[zoey]

Judge just reversed himself once defense stated their position.

On what?

 

[popsicle]

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