VA - Amy Bradley, 23, Petersburg, 24 March 1998 - #2 - ***READ FIRST POST***

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Wondergirl said:
Total speculation here, but, what if Amy is being used to solicit babies from those looking to give their children up for adoptions, for them to then be "sold" on the black market.

Look at this. 3,300 comments on this one little ad. Look at these people trying to get babies, omg.

http://www.topix.com/forum/topstories/T3P21TBNMPB8QE7H2/p46
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Good point. IIRC, this was in something I posted earlier in the thread as a possibility for Amy's being kidnapped, among other things as well.
 
I dont think Amy was abducted for adoptions ...

Whatever happened , happened for a very big (and unknown) reason ...

I feel that (via verified poster) if the pictures of her (brothel) are indeed her , then they were made as a "taunt" ... as well as the family being photographed by the "captors/associates"

That statement made by FA leads me to believe that if LE can link the photographers (who FA stated were confirmed to be linked yet never caught , and used a rental car.) to a "group" , then they must know who the group is.

LE can't link 2 unidentified people taking pictures at the family's home to the "captors" , unless they know who the captors are.

You can't "confirm" people to be linked to a "group" , unless you know there is a group / or you caught the photographers (which didn't happen).

Very strange case , I just try and read between the lines ...
 
ChateauMarmont said:
How has this been proven ?
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You just don't make up a name like Zag.

Maybe proven was the wrong word.

My OPINION is that Zag exists, had nothing to "hide" with his services, met real life people who paid him for their services, similar to PB. Have you ever heard of such a name? It's too unusual to be made up, if you KWIM? Why not Smith etc. etc.

As mentioned, the services offered by these men are not illegal in the countries they chose to operate.

I just don't really think those guys had anything to do with Amy's disappearance.

But, I would like to know this: what website did AAV glean that picture that looks SO much like Amy, IMO?
 
Regarding the confusing and what appears to be conflicting statements reportedly made by the Bradley's in the various interviews -

I really don't think that we can take whatever the Bradley's state in these interviews to be fact. The thing is, I would think they would say whatever needs to be said in order to protect Amy and/or to do their best to steer the investigation in the desired direction, whatever that may be.

We don't know what is going on in the case at the time these interviews are being conducted, which imo, makes all the difference in the world.

That may mean that the Bradley's deny that the photos are of Amy, whether it is her or not, or it may be concerning who is or who is not involved, or it could be any number of other things as well.

I just believe it's all about what will help, versus what will hinder the investigation. It's all about finding their daughter and it's all about trying to keep their daughter safe. It has little if anything to do with releasing factual information on the investigation to the public, that is the least of their concerns, imo.

In fact if the Bradley's want to keep Amy's captors offguard, which is what I would want to do if it were my daughter, I would do whatever I could to manipulate the information released to the public in order to get the desired results ... perhaps even releasing information that is different from what is actually known. Because why would they want those who hold power over Amy to know what they and / or what the FBI knows, which would only give these criminals the upper hand. Actually, isn't this more or less standard procedure in criminal investigations such as this, at least to some degree?
 
ChateauMarmont said:
I dont think Amy was abducted for adoptions ...

Whatever happened , happened for a very big (and unknown) reason ...

I feel that (via verified poster) if the pictures of her (brothel) are indeed her , then they were made as a "taunt" ... as well as the family being photographed by the "captors/associates"

That statement made by FA leads me to believe that if LE can link the photographers (who FA stated were confirmed to be linked yet never caught , and used a rental car.) to a "group" , then they must know who the group is.

LE can't link 2 unidentified people taking pictures at the family's home to the "captors" , unless they know who the captors are.

You can't "confirm" people to be linked to a "group" , unless you know there is a group / or you caught the photographers (which didn't happen).

Very strange case , I just try and read between the lines ...
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I still believe that Amy is/was primarily a victim of sex trafficking. Yes, she may be doing something different now that she's older and earned the trust of those who enslave her. No problem believing that as she is intelligent, educated and I'm sure talented. But she was no nuclear biologist or anything like that, maybe I'm misreading by what you mean as "big". But I just can't come up with anything and I don't think anyone else has either, at least not here. And the fact is, there is huge money in sex trafficking, so I guess that really is pretty big. Maybe the fact that they expected to be able to use her later in other areas of their criminal enterprises, I guess that would certainly be an added big "bonus" as far as the traffickers are concerned. So they may have many uses for her, versus with most young women they only have one. Definitely a bonus and a better than average investment. :(
 
Dushi said:
masootz said:
if this was planned, whoever took her took a really big chance that she'd leave her room that early in the morning. she was at the disco until 4am, and had obviously been out all day with her parents (who btw were too exhausted to stay up late). instead of coming in at 4am and going to bed she goes out onto the balcony and around 6am leaves again. what if she had fallen asleep or otherwise had not been able to leave? what if her parents got up or her brother was watching tv? you made me realize there are two options - someone randomly grabbed her because she happened to be out and alone early looking for coffee or something like that(unlikely), or someone knew she was going to be out and alone early, meaning she had planned to meet her abductor. in that case they had to be really confident she'd show up. i'm sure kidnapping and smuggling someone off a ship requires some planning so they'd have to a) know she'd meet them b) have a plan to get her alone long enough to kidnap her c) have a quick way to get her off the boat. you don't want to set up with co-conspirators to have everything ready at 6am if you're not sure she'll show up. if she was planning to meet someone at 6am then why wouldn't she have mentioned it to her brother? they were together at the disco and then reportedly were on the balcony together before he went in to go to sleep. why not at least mention "hey im going to meet the band guy for coffee and to watch the sun come up". there's something fishy here....[/QUOTE]

That is an excellent point along with several other excellent points in this post
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Agreed.

I wonder if she actually returned to the cabin? Perhaps her brother covered for her or her parents didn't want to say that Amy stayed out dancing and Brad returned to the cabin alone. He's silent bc he feels guilty or the parents thought they would get a better response if Amy hadn't stayed out alone that evening. Just wondering what changes if the window of opportunity changes a little???
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masootz said:
i disagree with FA's use of "verified". FA said san fran was unbelievable to the bradleys too except there were several witnesses who saw her, described her tattoos, etc. FA said the sighting in san fran was based on multiple people iding her (see thread 1, FA's posts around mid-july of this year) and that's why FA determined it was verified. at some point FA referred to some of the sightings being verified by FBI but again i think FA meant the FBI interviewed witnesses who seemed credible. at other points FA mentioned the bradleys not having contact with the FBI and not getting information from the FBI so it's hard for me to reconcile unless she (like all of us) got some things mixed up.
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IMO


I feel the same... Verified to me equals they found her fingerprints or something and I don't think that's the case.

I also wonder if there aren't 2 story lines. 1. Amy is missing. 2. The cruise line has a vested interest in "Amy sightings" (the lawsuits).

I can't put my finger on exactly what we are missing but there is something.
 
elepher50 said:
We haven't really heard much about her boyfriend back home or at least I can't find anything about him in MSM. I know it has been stated in MSM that Amy did have a boyfriend back home, but I have seen nothing about his reaction to Amy going missing like he was heart-broken, anxiously awaiting her to be found or something along those lines. I haven't seen anything in MSM other than she had a boyfriend. Was it a boyfriend from her college years, highschool years,or from where she worked or elsewhere. Did they have thoughts on living together at some point, were they recently boyfriend/girlfriend - that type of stuff. Just trying to get a sense for how committed Amy was to this boyfriend.

Has anybody come across anything in MSM?
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IMO
I have often wondered if the boyfriend statement was a way of dismissing the questions regarding Amy's sexuality. Early on it seemed that bc she had "the look" i.e. her hair in the family cruise ship photo, played basketball and bc her tattoos weren't the typical dolphin, rose, or sun that people questioned her sexuality. Obviously, it doesn't matter and I'm assuming she was/is straight but I think there was definitely an advantage in selling Amy as America's sweetheart to the media and eliminating this issue. 1998 doesn't seem that long ago but I think this could have been a bigger issue then. I'm not trying to suggest anything. I just think that perhaps the Bradley's didn't want anything to interfere with their search to find Amy.
 
masootz said:
if this was planned, whoever took her took a really big chance that she'd leave her room that early in the morning. she was at the disco until 4am, and had obviously been out all day with her parents (who btw were too exhausted to stay up late). instead of coming in at 4am and going to bed she goes out onto the balcony and around 6am leaves again. what if she had fallen asleep or otherwise had not been able to leave? what if her parents got up or her brother was watching tv? you made me realize there are two options - someone randomly grabbed her because she happened to be out and alone early looking for coffee or something like that(unlikely), or someone knew she was going to be out and alone early, meaning she had planned to meet her abductor. in that case they had to be really confident she'd show up. i'm sure kidnapping and smuggling someone off a ship requires some planning so they'd have to a) know she'd meet them b) have a plan to get her alone long enough to kidnap her c) have a quick way to get her off the boat. you don't want to set up with co-conspirators to have everything ready at 6am if you're not sure she'll show up. if she was planning to meet someone at 6am then why wouldn't she have mentioned it to her brother? they were together at the disco and then reportedly were on the balcony together before he went in to go to sleep. why not at least mention "hey im going to meet the band guy for coffee and to watch the sun come up". there's something fishy here....
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I was just going to post basically the same thing.

For me I have three options right now (I still think this case comes back to human trafficking, but I'm not married to the theory):

1) A targeted abduction for that particular morning while they dock in Curacao. They had to get her OUT of that room and know she was coming out. Otherwise, they lose their chance. She would most likely be w/ her family, or her brother at a minimum for the rest of the day and evening. So they had to make a plan w/ her. If they made a plan ("let's meet up for coffee..."), I think it's possible she didn't want her brother and parents to know what she was doing. Brothers are protective, he might not want her wandering off at 6am with strangers, even on the ship. This means the cruise employees are complicit in human trafficking, and I have no problem believing that could be true.

2) She was targeted during the cruise and her coming out of the room alone offered the perfect opportunity.

3) Crime of opportunity. She came out of her room, saw someone or something she shouldn't and was taken to keep her quiet or just taken purely for human trafficking. No previous planning. Wrong place, wrong time. Sometimes we forget bad guys can exist anywhere, anytime.

Again we go around and around in circles, but it all comes back to the morning, Y and maybe the waiter, and ???. :banghead:
 
FightTheOstrich said:
IMO
I have often wondered if the boyfriend statement was a way of dismissing the questions regarding Amy's sexuality. Early on it seemed that bc she had "the look" i.e. her hair in the family cruise ship photo, played basketball and bc her tattoos weren't the typical dolphin, rose, or sun that people questioned her sexuality. Obviously, it doesn't matter and I'm assuming she was/is straight but I think there was definitely an advantage in selling Amy as America's sweetheart to the media and eliminating this issue. 1998 doesn't seem that long ago but I think this could have been a bigger issue then. I'm not trying to suggest anything. I just think that perhaps the Bradley's didn't want anything to interfere with their search to find Amy.
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Possible...

I swear there was a post from FA about the boyfriend. But definitely not a name or much info at all. Very general.
 
I've been busy playing catch up, but I've read everything now.

~n/t~ said:
Oh my. I didn't know the waiter had the same tattoo. What are the chances of that? Is Taz tattoo popular? I have no clue.
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Taz is a popular tattoo. I've seen a few...my husband has one on his arm.

masootz said:
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whatever happened once she's off the boat doesn't really matter as much as figuring out who took her off the boat (imo). once you know that, the rest figures itself out. we have some obvious candidates - people she spoke with, people who creeped out her parents, etc. actually it's a fairly small list - it'd really have to be people who had unencumbered access to leaving/return to the ship. that's probably just crew members although that depends on the ship's security. again, if we knew more about the docking exit/entry procedure we could say for sure. if there's no way for someone to get her off the ship via the main passenger exit then it'd have to be someone with access to the crew loading/unloading area.

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I would like to know who the photographer was. He's the one that was responsible for photographing people. There may be more than one photographer (I've never been on a cruise ship and have no desire to), but specifically, the one who took the photos of Amy and her family. As well, is he the same man who when questioned had no idea what happened to the photos of Amy. Someone had to remove the photos from his possession. Is there no video of that area of the ship? And, why were the photos never reprinted as promised to the Bradley's? :waitasec: A ships photographer would be the perfect "scout"....along with the wait staff.

dotr said:
"What percent of population has green eyes?"
" Answer:
Only 2 percent of the world's population has green eyes".

Read more: http://wiki.answers.com/Q/What_percent_of_population_has_green_eyes#ixzz27XpmWKXK
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YAY for being in the 2%. :woohoo: My mom has green eyes, my dad had blue eyes. My son (adopted) has one blue, one green. His bio parents both have blue eyes. :waitasec:

neesaki said:
What? Are you serious? I have green eyes, so I'm only 2 percent of the world's population? :waitasec:
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We're special! :floorlaugh:
 
I have a recurring thought about the woman's name who is pictured on the escort website, the one who looks like Amy. She goes by 'Jaz'. Amy's tattoo is 'Taz'. Just kind of interesting and probably means nothing. I can't help wondering if it's more than mere coincidence though.
 
Wondergirl said:
You just don't make up a name like Zag.

Maybe proven was the wrong word.

My OPINION is that Zag exists, had nothing to "hide" with his services, met real life people who paid him for their services, similar to PB. Have you ever heard of such a name? It's too unusual to be made up, if you KWIM? Why not Smith etc. etc.

As mentioned, the services offered by these men are not illegal in the countries they chose to operate.

I just don't really think those guys had anything to do with Amy's disappearance.

But, I would like to know this: what website did AAV glean that picture that looks SO much like Amy, IMO?
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I agree... Where I stand right now I think they're pawns.
 
Bree, the post was cleared up later. There is no evidence the waiter had the same tattoo and the OP couldn't remember where she/he had seen it posted.

Yes, many people have Taz tattoo but if one has the same one as Amy (baby Taz with the basketball) then I'd wonder if it's coincidence or more....

Moot point anyway. Nobody on that ship as far as we know had the same tattoo.

Just wanted to clear that up since my post was quoted.
 
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