VA - Scott Fricker, 48, & Buckley Kuhn-Fricker, 43, slain, Reston, 22 Dec 2017 *daughter’s bf charged*

[courtney2662]

The b/f has been named - by Huffington Post and Daily Mail, stating that friends of the victims named the boy. (not providing link, he hasn't been named officially, and still a minor, still in hospital.)

 

[Gardenista]

The b/f has been named - by Huffington Post and Daily Mail, stating that friends of the victims named the boy. (not providing link, he hasn't been named officially, and still a minor, still in hospital.)

He was named on this thread some time ago

 

[courtney2662]

I hadn't seen this interview with the grandmother (Buckley Kuhn-Fricker) who says the daughter let the boyfriend in, around 4.00am, and they spent about hour together till the parents heard noises.

http://abcnews.go.com/US/virginia-t...-parents-reportedly-worried/story?id=51979827

 

[courtney2662]

Photo of Detectives list evidence found in Fricker home [FONT=&quot]https://twitter.com/abc7Richard/status/948673230205833216[/FONT]

 

[strawberry]

I wish they would just publish the whole documents [emoji35]


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[rsd1200]

Yes, I can see that, especially if they're only pulling the door open wide enough to squeeze someone through. Obviously, it worked as the news reports stated he had been in the girl's room at least an hour(?) before the parents/guests heard something and responded.

He likely wouldn't have come in the front, as neighbors or passing cars may have seen him. I'm assuming this wasn't the first time he visited their home after hours.

The back is kinda woody and has at least a partial privacy fence so that would definitely be the better option. She may have gone downstairs, after everyone went to sleep, and just flipped the lock on the door, and texted him on his sister's phone, when it was all clear.

 

[beandawgs]

It was in one of the first articles posted. She had asked for an alarm system for Christmas.

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Sadly an alarm system wouldn't have done any good unless the daughter didn't have an access code to it. I'll bet she let him in. I don't know what her part in this was but I think he came there early in the am to off the parents, catching them when they may still be asleep, off guard. I still would like to know what the girl knew and what her part in this was. Did she think he was going to do construction work with that hammer? I mean really. At 5 am ? I know police must be talking to her.


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[rsd1200]

Ok, I'm starting to feel pretty boring, here. Am I the only one who never snuck out of the parent's house at night while growing up? :what: And we had pretty strict curfew, too. I knew my step-dad had super-sonic hearing and my boyfriends didn't want to have to deal with him. Just didn't even try. I'm surprised so many of my peers were doing this back in the day.

Seems even riskier today with so many homes having burglar alarms. I wonder if the Frickers had one and if the daughter disabled it? Let's go back and look at the Redfin listing again.

I lived in Small town, USA. ZERO to do. Some of my friends started sneaking out by age 14 and were never caught. This was in the 70s too. It was a very different time. One of my friends had older siblings, so they'd know where the creek, or field, parties were on the weekends. We'd all head that way. We never hurt anyone and picked up after ourselves, but I knew how to get in and out of that house, and skip the dreaded days at school. I went back to further my education, a few years later, and enjoyed a long career in IT, in addition to working to raise funds, and awareness, for the those in need in our region. I still have to have an outlet though. It's just how I'm wired.

 

[Gardenista]

Sadly an alarm system wouldn't have done any good unless the daughter didn't have an access code to it. I'll bet she let him in. I don't know what her part in this was but I think he came there early in the am to off the parents, catching them when they may still be asleep, off guard. I still would like to know what the girl knew and what her part in this was. Did she think he was going to do construction work with that hammer? I mean really. At 5 am ? I know police must be talking to her.


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No doubt they have lots of questions since his twitter went back to being really active when they started dating.

 

[borndem]

https://www.websleuths.com/forums/showthread.php?p=13844266

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Thanks button not enuff!

Thank you, :tyou: vmmking, for the info -- somehow I missed it. :dunno:
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Looking at that beautiful house really makes me so very sad. All the wonderful rooms & colors. I hope it was a happy place for them -- at least most of the time.

I guess the family -- what's left of them -- wanted to be away from that place as soon as they could. SMH. Just so damm sad and useless his action on them was. Nobody wins with this one.

 

[Betty P]

The b/f has been named - by Huffington Post and Daily Mail, stating that friends of the victims named the boy. (not providing link, he hasn't been named officially, and still a minor, still in hospital.)

I read the HuffPo article earlier this afternoon. It sounds like a fairly clear case of extreme right wing views and a growing penchant for violence that was ignored and aided by parent(s). After so many tragic cases, it's amazing that some parents still purchase guns for their mentally ill offspring and encourage them to target practice as a hobby. This guy's parents are probably lucky they didn't end up victims, too.

Given it's been two weeks,he's still in critical condition and LE still hasn't served him, he's probably not in good condition, either.

 

[Wyle_E_Coyote]

I don't understand why people are unwilling to call the police in situations like this, the girl didn't think of him as dangerous, he was her b/f, but the parents knew he wasn't right, that he had very ugly nazi leanings, advocated violence, was virulently anti-semitic especially once the mom found his twitter account. The neighbors didn't call the cops when he moved a 40 ft swastika in their community lawn, but went to the parents even though they all knew he was troubled kid. I know the mother was raised there in that development, but really, you know he's troubled, he's now going public with hateful views and the parents ways not working in stopping the kid - so out of consideration of parents you don't go to police? HuffPost has article on the hateful rantings in pseudo account, ranting on about Syria, Trump. Apparently the mom was on-line defender of Confederate statues remaining in place.

Free speech. For better or worse, that includes speech we don't agree with.

I don't think LE would have been able to do anything about any of it. Maybe the night time visits, but I'm not even sure about that since the girl probably let him in.

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[Betty P]

I lived in Small town, USA. ZERO to do. Some of my friends started sneaking out by age 14 and were never caught. This was in the 70s too. It was a very different time. One of my friends had older siblings, so they'd know where the creek, or field, parties were on the weekends. We'd all head that way. We never hurt anyone and picked up after ourselves, but I knew how to get in and out of that house, and skip the dreaded days at school. I went back to further my education, a few years later, and enjoyed a long career in IT, in addition to working to raise funds, and awareness, for the those in need in our region. I still have to have an outlet though. It's just how I'm wired.

I was just kidding! We had some wild times, too!

 

[rsd1200]

Free speech. For better or worse, that includes speech we don't agree with.

I don't think LE would have been able to do anything about any of it. Maybe the night time visits, but I'm not even sure about that since the girl probably let him in.

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Yes. We all have that protected right. LE can not jail you for mowing a swastika in the grass, nor placing a Satanic statue on your lawn, nor a Nativity. The swastika was in a common area that they took turns mowing but it was not like he spray painted it on his Jewish neighbor's garage door (very different). We may disagree with other's speech, but they have the right to that speech.

I think that's likely why they didn't call LE. They knew how he got in and, she'd aided him. They could serve him for trespass, but not for B&E. This was one big Charlie Foxtrot.

 

[animlzrule]

I read the HuffPo article earlier this afternoon. It sounds like a fairly clear case of extreme right wing views and a growing penchant for violence that was ignored and aided by parent(s). After so many tragic cases, it's amazing that some parents still purchase guns for their mentally ill offspring and encourage them to target practice as a hobby. This guy's parents are probably lucky they didn't end up victims, too.

Given it's been two weeks,he's still in critical condition and LE still hasn't served him, he's probably not in good condition, either.

I find it hard to believe his parents didn't know about his extreme right wing views. His twitter was sickening. I'm appalled but not surprised that his parents encouraged his penchant for guns, bigotry, racism etc., given what we know about mom's FB postings. I know ultimately he is the perp and the only one responsible, however, I'd love to see his parents have to answer publicly for their lack of oversight and aggressive intervention for their son. I don't believe they could have been unaware of his ideology unless they were profoundly checked out as parents. But after the swastika incident, they had no excuses.

 

[rsd1200]

I was just kidding! We had some wild times, too!

I just didn't want you to think I burned the town down, stole police cars, and ran down little ole ladies in a crosswalk, or anything... :laughing: I did party hardy though! Oh the stories I have! :dance:

 

[borndem]

Sadly an alarm system wouldn't have done any good unless the daughter didn't have an access code to it. I'll bet she let him in. I don't know what her part in this was but I think he came there early in the am to off the parents, catching them when they may still be asleep, off guard. I still would like to know what the girl knew and what her part in this was. Did she think he was going to do construction work with that hammer? I mean really. At 5 am ? I know police must be talking to her.


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Yes -- IF she will talk to them. I wonder if she had any idea at all that he would do what he did. Did he always bring a weapon when he visited her "after hours" (if he did visit before as he did that night)? Did she know he was armed that night? Is she under a doctor's care due to the tragedy? SMH. Why, oh why did he bring that weapon?

 

[Gardenista]

Exactly, if one were to have told the b/f in this case that he was a liberal socialist he'd have certainly hit out at them also, it was the girl friend's family who were the liberals, and the b/f part of that new horrid Alt Right Nazi hard-right group. His hard-right nazi thinking and prejudices is what made him so angry, so violent and hence so unwelcome in their lives and that of their daughter. I think we can't let ourselves be fooled by Nazi era abuse of the word "socialism".

We can't be fooled by when his rhetoric became, in the words of HuffPo:

When G returned to Twitter this past summer, around the time he started dating the daughter of Kuhn-Fricker and Kuhn, his tweets were vicious.

https://www.huffingtonpost.com/entr...-parents-virginia_us_5a4d0797e4b0b0e5a7aa4780

 

[borndem]

I read the HuffPo article earlier this afternoon. It sounds like a fairly clear case of extreme right wing views and a growing penchant for violence that was ignored and aided by parent(s). After so many tragic cases, it's amazing that some parents still purchase guns for their mentally ill offspring and encourage them to target practice as a hobby. This guy's parents are probably lucky they didn't end up victims, too.

Given it's been two weeks,he's still in critical condition and LE still hasn't served him, he's probably not in good condition, either.

They are victims of a sort -- I would assume their friends will never look at them the same way. His workplace, assuming he had one. Her workplace, if she had one -- that will be tuff for all. Their neighbors -- but most of them already knew the son had troubling problems/views. And the guilt of what their son did to the Fricker family. And they may lose their son, or he may not fully recover. And if he does -- a trial, and it will be awful for everyone. This is not making excuses for his family in any way, but his parents should be bearing a heavy burden, whether they deserve it or not. His parents are still in the world, however, and the Frickers are not.

 

[animlzrule]

They are victims of a sort -- I would assume their friends will never look at them the same way. His workplace, assuming he had one. Her workplace, if she had one -- that will be tuff for all. Their neighbors -- but most of them already knew the son had troubling problems/views. And the guilt of what their son did to the Fricker family. And they may lose their son, or he may not fully recover. And if he does -- a trial, and it will be awful for everyone. This is not making excuses for his family in any way, but his parents should be bearing a heavy burden, whether they deserve it or not. His parents are still in the world, however, and the Frickers are not.

I wonder if they have any other children, and if so, I hope there's heavy scrutiny happening of their SM and behavioral histories. I can't perceive of the parents as victims, knowing what we know.