Verdict Watch Discussion Thread

[pswmom]

It bothers me that some of us who have doubt are called MS supporters and are made to feel bad that we have doubt. All I want is the verdicts to be fair and just. Sometimes the result is not what all wanted, but it is what it is.

All MOO

 

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Alex Pierson ‏@AlexpiersonAMP 6m6 minutes ago
Hagerman walks over to park.Learns what happened. "is shocked'. Michalski says cops showed up at house. He learns of Helens arrest.

Adam Carter ‏@AdamCarterCBC 6m6 minutes ago
Hagerman is now talking about when he learned of Millard's arrest. #TimBosma #Bosma

Colin Butler ‏@ColinButlerCBC 6m6 minutes ago
When they met Michalski told him that Millard had been arrested and the police had raided his Etobicoke home. #TimBosma

Lisa Hepfner ‏@HefCHCHNews 6m6 minutes ago
Hagerman is saying he first heard of Millard's arrest when he met with Michalski at the park near his parents' house. #Bosma

Lisa Hepfner ‏@HefCHCHNews 6m6 minutes ago
Millard keeps staring at Smich. His hair looks like it was cut with a bowl and a dull knife. Smich's hair is slickly gelled.

Susan Clairmont ‏@susanclairmont 6m6 minutes ago
Now on audio Fraser asking about meeting in the park. Hagerman walked over to park.

Alex Pierson ‏@AlexpiersonAMP 6m6 minutes ago
Hagerman asks why is DM in trouble. can we meet soon. Michalski is working. crown asks where this park is that they meet.

Colin Butler ‏@ColinButlerCBC 7m7 minutes ago
She's gone now. Court is resuming. #TimBosma

 

[andreww]

I never heard about this specific letter? That tells me that Dellen was keeping that gun hidden so he could use it for proof with prints later if needed. And that MS hiding it meant he knew his prints were all over it.

So long after the crime I don't think prints would mean anything. We know they both handled the gun at one time or another as seen in photos, so there is no definitive way to prove when the prints got there.

 

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Susan Clairmont ‏@susanclairmont 6m6 minutes ago
The two agreed to "dump it off somewhere in Oakville."

Colin Butler ‏@ColinButlerCBC 6m6 minutes ago
"I just wanted to get rid of it," Hagerman said, noting Michalski said he believed Millard would want it to go to Smich. #TimBosma

Adam Carter ‏@AdamCarterCBC 6m6 minutes ago
"This thing got thrown in my lap just a couple of days ago, and I just wanted to get rid of it." Hagerman sid about the toolbox. #Bosma

Susan Clairmont ‏@susanclairmont 6m6 minutes ago
"I was upset...this thing got thrown in my lap and I just wanted to get rid of it," said Hagerman. Michalski said it should go to Mark.

molly hayes ‏@mollyhayes 6m6 minutes ago
"I was upset...this thing just got thrown in my lap...I just wanted to get rid of it," Hagerman said. #Bosma

Lisa Hepfner ‏@HefCHCHNews 6m6 minutes ago
"I was in a panic, I was upset, this thing was thrown on my lap a couple days ago and I just wanted to get rid of it," Hagerman said.

Alex Pierson ‏@AlexpiersonAMP 6m6 minutes ago
Hagerman says they discussed the times DM had given to each of them. We were in a panic. didn't know what to do. this thing had been 1/2

Colin Butler ‏@ColinButlerCBC 6m6 minutes ago
Michalski also knew they each had received something from Millard before his arrest. Hagerman says he was in a panic. #TimBosma

molly hayes ‏@mollyhayes 6m6 minutes ago
Michalski told him Dellen had given him something. And knew he'd given Hagerman something. He says he was in a panic. #Bosma

molly hayes ‏@mollyhayes 6m6 minutes ago
He learned in person from Michalski at the park that Dellen had been arrested. #Bosma

Susan Clairmont ‏@susanclairmont 6m6 minutes ago
Met Michalski in park and learned Millard had been arrested. #Bosma

 

[robynhood]

I just turned on Twitter....here...molly hayes ‏@mollyhayes · 16m16 minutes ago

He said Millard seemed disheveled in the driveway. Hagerman asked what was wrong and Millard said it was better if he didn't tell him #Bosma

 

[matou]

I wonder if that was the blond woman with the Bible who was supporting Millard in court?

 

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Alex Pierson ‏@AlexpiersonAMP 6m6 minutes ago
Hagerman was reluctant. the discussion gets very heated. They "agree to dump it off somewhere in Oakville."

Susan Clairmont ‏@susanclairmont 6m6 minutes ago
Michalski said he never opened blue backpack. #Bosma

molly hayes ‏@mollyhayes 6m6 minutes ago
Hagerman says Michalski knew he had a toolbox. Michalski had a blue backpack, said he never opened it. #Bosma

Adam Carter ‏@AdamCarterCBC 6m6 minutes ago
Michalski had a blue backpack with drugs in it. #TimBosma #Bosma

Susan Clairmont ‏@susanclairmont 6m6 minutes ago
The discussion between Hagerman and Michalski "became heated." Michalski said Millard wanted stuff to go to Smich. Toolbox and backpack.

Lisa Hepfner ‏@HefCHCHNews 6m6 minutes ago
They decided to drop the drugs and toolbox "somewhere in Oakville," he said. Michalski knew Hagerman had a toolbox w/o being told

Adam Carter ‏@AdamCarterCBC 6m6 minutes ago
Hagerman said Michalski knew he had the toolbox. #TimBosma #Bosma

Alex Pierson ‏@AlexpiersonAMP 6m6 minutes ago
2/2 "been thrown in my lap. I didn't want anything to do with it. i just wanted to get rid of it. Michalski said DM wanted it to go to MS

Colin Butler ‏@ColinButlerCBC 6m6 minutes ago
The discussion became heated at times, eventually they agreed to "dump it off somewhere in Oakville." #TimBosma



Adam Carter ‏@AdamCarterCBC 6m6 minutes ago
Hagerman said he didn't want to have anything to do with Smich, but wanted to get rid of what he had. #Bosma #TimBosma

molly hayes ‏@mollyhayes 6m6 minutes ago
Michalski told him Dellen would've wanted the items to go to Mark. Hagerman was reluctant. The conversation was heated. #Bosma

Lisa Hepfner ‏@HefCHCHNews 6m6 minutes ago
Michalski said Millard would have wanted Smich to have it. Hagerman didn't want anything more to do with Smich. #Bosma

Adam Carter ‏@AdamCarterCBC 6m6 minutes ago
"Andrew told me Dellen would have wanted it to go to Mark." #Bosma #TimBosma

 

[canadiangirl]

The jury feels the same? Or one stubborn juror has bought in to a line of BS.

yes, please don't put your own spin on my words. DMB said it was reasonable to question the conflicting testimony......
And obviously the jury feels the same or they wouldn't be sitting in the courtroom right now replaying it all.

Again, jury duty is a GROUP effort

 

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Lisa Hepfner ‏@HefCHCHNews 5m5 minutes ago
Hagerman knew Smich lived in Oakville and had been to his house to pick him up, when he was driving for Millard (Millard had lost license)

Alex Pierson ‏@AlexpiersonAMP 6m6 minutes ago
Hagerman had the tool box. Michalski a blue knapsack. claims he didn't open it. "i just wanted to get rid of it.' decided MS cld pick it up.

Colin Butler ‏@ColinButlerCBC 6m6 minutes ago
"Mark would have been able to take it off our hands," Hagerman says of the bag and the toolbox. "We didn't want to be anywhere near." #Bosma

molly hayes ‏@mollyhayes 6m6 minutes ago
Hagerman says he didn't talk to Mark Smich but thinks Michalski did bc he was on his phone. #Bosma

Susan Clairmont ‏@susanclairmont 6m6 minutes ago
Went to Oakville because Mark lived in Oakville. #Bosma

Lisa Hepfner ‏@HefCHCHNews 6m6 minutes ago
Michalski testified that he packed the drugs in his own pack and put them in his car. #Bosma

Colin Butler ‏@ColinButlerCBC 6m6 minutes ago
Michalski had a blue back pack he got from Millard's home. He told Hagerman he never opened it. #TimBosma

molly hayes ‏@mollyhayes 6m6 minutes ago
Hagerman said they agreed to drop off in Oakville. the ultimate decision was that mark was going to pick it up. #Bosma

Lisa Hepfner ‏@HefCHCHNews 7m7 minutes ago
Michalski told Hagerman he was given a blue backpack, which he had never opened, according to Hagerman


Susan Clairmont ‏@susanclairmont 6m6 minutes ago
"The ultimate decision was, that like, Mark would have picked it up."

Adam Carter ‏@AdamCarterCBC 6m6 minutes ago
"I just wanted it away from me", Hagerman said. #TimBosma #Bosma

 

[NashBridges2]

Alex Pierson ‏@AlexpiersonAMP 7m7 minutes ago
Now going back to testimony. " michalski says it's about "the thing." Hagerman assumed it was about the tool box from DM. @AM900CHML

Susan Clairmont ‏@susanclairmont 7m7 minutes ago
Ok, then. We're back to the audio recording. #Bosma

Lisa Hepfner ‏@HefCHCHNews 7m7 minutes ago
Rewinding the testimony a bit to compensate from the distraction. #Bosma

Adam Carter ‏@AdamCarterCBC 7m7 minutes ago
She has been escorted out. They're now continuing the tape. #TimBosma #Bosma #HamOnt

Colin Butler ‏@ColinButlerCBC 7m7 minutes ago
It's unclear what she was saying but she said something about "innocence" and it was "all I had to say." #TimBosma

molly hayes ‏@mollyhayes 7m7 minutes ago
And we continue.

molly hayes ‏@mollyhayes 7m7 minutes ago
They escort her out, she mumbles and then says "that's all I have to say."

Susan Clairmont ‏@susanclairmont 7m7 minutes ago
"That's all I have to say," woman says as she's taken out.

Adam Carter ‏@AdamCarterCBC 7m7 minutes ago
"That's all I had to say. I'm on my way," she said. I didn't hear what she first said. #TimBosma #Bosma #HamOnt

molly hayes ‏@mollyhayes 7m7 minutes ago
Things are on a bit of a pause after a woman walks in talking. She's sitting in the gallery, appears to be praying.

Colin Butler ‏@ColinButlerCBC 7m7 minutes ago
It's clear she's not welcome. She was praying. She's being ushered out by a court services officer. #TimBosma

Lisa Hepfner ‏@HefCHCHNews 7m7 minutes ago
Judge just spoke to court officer, and he's asking her to leave now. We are all waiting. "That's all I have to say," she said, walking out

Oh, Mommy came to court today to support her boy, lol

 

[Ontario Mom]

OMG what the ****?

Blondie with the Bible?

 

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Lisa Hepfner ‏@HefCHCHNews 5m5 minutes ago
They put the toolbox from his parents' basement and put it in the back of his parents' Intrepid, then got the backpack and did same.

Colin Butler ‏@ColinButlerCBC 5m5 minutes ago
They dropped off Millard's dog. They put the toolbox and bag in the trunk of Hagerman's parents' Intepid. #TimBosma

Susan Clairmont ‏@susanclairmont 6m6 minutes ago
Said Michalski was "in shock...He didn't say much." After park they dropped of Pedo (Millard's dog) at Hagerman's grandmother's.

Lisa Hepfner ‏@HefCHCHNews 6m6 minutes ago
Michalski was in shock like Hagerman, the latter testified. "He didn't say much." Hagerman had never seen his friend like that. #Bosma

Colin Butler ‏@ColinButlerCBC 6m6 minutes ago
He says they were both panicked, Hagerman says he had never seen Michalski like that before. #TimBosma

Alex Pierson ‏@AlexpiersonAMP 6m6 minutes ago
Hagerman didn't talk to MS. thought Michalski did on the phone. "mark would have been able to take it off our hands"

Colin Butler ‏@ColinButlerCBC 6m6 minutes ago
Hagerman says he never talked to Smich, but believed Michalski did because he was on his phone. #TimBosma

molly hayes ‏@mollyhayes 6m6 minutes ago
Hagerman says Michalski was similarly in shock and panicked at the time. #Bosma

 

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Lisa Hepfner ‏@HefCHCHNews 5m5 minutes ago
Pedo the dog was with Michalski at that point. Michalski was living in Millard's Maple Gate home in Etobicoke.

molly hayes ‏@mollyhayes 6m6 minutes ago
Hagerman recalls backpack smelled strongly like weed. He didn't know Michalski had been living at Millard's until then. #Bosma

Susan Clairmont ‏@susanclairmont 6m6 minutes ago
Hagerman found out that day that Michalski was living at Millard's house. #Bosma

Alex Pierson ‏@AlexpiersonAMP 6m6 minutes ago
Hagerman said Michalski was in shock. Didn't say much. Had never seen him that way. agreed to tale the items to Oakville near MS

Adam Carter ‏@AdamCarterCBC 6m6 minutes ago
Hagerman is now describing when they put the toolbox and the drugs in his parent's car and drove towards Oakville. #TimBosma #Bosma

Lisa Hepfner ‏@HefCHCHNews 6m6 minutes ago
"The backpack smelled strongly of weed," Hagerman testified. #Bosma

Colin Butler ‏@ColinButlerCBC 6m6 minutes ago
"The backpack smelled strongly of weed," Hagerman says. #TimBosma

molly hayes ‏@mollyhayes 6m6 minutes ago
Hagerman recalls they dropped Pedo off at his grandmothers and then they made their way to Oakville in Hagerman's parents car. #Bosma

Susan Clairmont ‏@susanclairmont 6m6 minutes ago
Then they drove to Oakville. "The backpack smelled strongly like weed."

 

[Ontario Mom]

Alex Pierson ‏@AlexpiersonAMP 6m6 minutes ago
Hagerman walks over to park.Learns what happened. "is shocked'. Michalski says cops showed up at house. He learns of Helens arrest.

Adam Carter ‏@AdamCarterCBC 6m6 minutes ago
Hagerman is now talking about when he learned of Millard's arrest. #TimBosma #Bosma

Colin Butler ‏@ColinButlerCBC 6m6 minutes ago
When they met Michalski told him that Millard had been arrested and the police had raided his Etobicoke home. #TimBosma

Lisa Hepfner ‏@HefCHCHNews 6m6 minutes ago
Hagerman is saying he first heard of Millard's arrest when he met with Michalski at the park near his parents' house. #Bosma

Lisa Hepfner ‏@HefCHCHNews 6m6 minutes ago
Millard keeps staring at Smich. His hair looks like it was cut with a bowl and a dull knife. Smich's hair is slickly gelled.

Susan Clairmont ‏@susanclairmont 6m6 minutes ago
Now on audio Fraser asking about meeting in the park. Hagerman walked over to park.

Alex Pierson ‏@AlexpiersonAMP 6m6 minutes ago
Hagerman asks why is DM in trouble. can we meet soon. Michalski is working. crown asks where this park is that they meet.

Colin Butler ‏@ColinButlerCBC 7m7 minutes ago
She's gone now. Court is resuming. #TimBosma

Apparently we're all learning of it for the first time today. That Helen... :facepalm:

 

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Alex Pierson ‏@AlexpiersonAMP 5m5 minutes ago
Michalsi didn't know why DM had been arrested. just that it was because of a stolen truck. didn't know it was connected to Bosma.

Colin Butler ‏@ColinButlerCBC 5m5 minutes ago
"All I knew is Dellen was arrested in connection to a stolen truck," Hagerman tells the Crown lawyer. #TimBosma

Susan Clairmont ‏@susanclairmont 5m5 minutes ago
Hagerman knew that Millard was arrested, that #Bosma was missing. Did he piece things together?

Adam Carter ‏@AdamCarterCBC 5m5 minutes ago
"We jut wanted to get rid of what we had." #TimBosma #Bosma

Lisa Hepfner ‏@HefCHCHNews 5m5 minutes ago
Hagerman didn't make associations between the arrest of his friend Millard and the widely-reported missing #TimBosma, he said.

Adam Carter ‏@AdamCarterCBC 6m6 minutes ago
Hagerman said at that time he hadn't linked Millard to #Bosma's disappearance. #TimBosma #Bosma

Colin Butler ‏@ColinButlerCBC 6m6 minutes ago
Hagerman said he never made a connection between Millard's arrest and the disappearance of #TimBosma.

molly hayes ‏@mollyhayes 6m6 minutes ago
Hagerman knew at this point that Millard had been arrested. Knew about the #TimBosma case. But didn't make the connection. #Bosma

Alex Pierson ‏@AlexpiersonAMP 6m6 minutes ago
"the backpack smelled strongly of weed." the items were put in Hagermans parents car and driven to Oakville.

 

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Colin Butler ‏@ColinButlerCBC 5m5 minutes ago
"Dellen was the prime suspect," he said. "I panicked and pulled off somewhere and immediately dumped" the items in his car. #TimBosma

molly hayes ‏@mollyhayes 5m5 minutes ago
It was on the radio while they drove that they learned Dellen Millard was a prime suspect in the case. Panicked, pulled off the hwy. #Bosma

Alex Pierson ‏@AlexpiersonAMP 6m6 minutes ago
It was while driving to Oakville they heard news of Millard was connected to Bosma case. They decided then to dump the stuff right away.

Susan Clairmont ‏@susanclairmont 6m6 minutes ago
"No...All I knew was Dellen was arrested for a stolen truck."

Colin Butler ‏@ColinButlerCBC 6m6 minutes ago
That changed en route to Oakville, when they turned on the radio Hagerman found out there was a man missing. #TimBosma

Lisa Hepfner ‏@HefCHCHNews 6m6 minutes ago
"We just wanted to get rid of what we had," Hagerman said. En route to Oakville they turned on the news & heard Millard was suspect #Bosma

 

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Colin Butler ‏@ColinButlerCBC 5m5 minutes ago
They dumped the items in the bottom of a stairwell in a strip mall somewhere in Oakville, Hagerman says. #TimBosma

Alex Pierson ‏@AlexpiersonAMP 5m5 minutes ago
Hagerman explains they go to an Oakville shopping plaza and place the items at the bottom of a stairwell.

Susan Clairmont ‏@susanclairmont 5m5 minutes ago
Went behind strip mall, behind Shoppers Drug Mart and down a stairwell leading to an electrical room. #Bosma

molly hayes ‏@mollyhayes 6m6 minutes ago
They were in Oakville. There was a pharmacy in a strip mall. They went behind and left the items at the bottom of a staircase. #Bosma

Susan Clairmont ‏@susanclairmont 6m6 minutes ago
Listened to radio on way to Oakville, heard Bosma was missing" and Dellen was prime suspect." They panicked and pulled off road in Oakville.

Adam Carter ‏@AdamCarterCBC 6m6 minutes ago
Hagerman describing how they heard about Millard's arrest on the news, panicked, and pulled off the road. #TimBosma #Bosma

Lisa Hepfner ‏@HefCHCHNews 6m6 minutes ago
Hagerman said he panicked, pulled off the road somewhere in Oakville and dumped the backpack and toolbox in a stairwell "somewhere."

 

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Adam Carter ‏@AdamCarterCBC 5m5 minutes ago
They dropped off the toolbox in a stairwell at a strip mall, Hagerman said. #TimBosma #Bosma

Lisa Hepfner ‏@HefCHCHNews 5m5 minutes ago
It was in Oakville, but Hagerman wasn't sure exactly where. #Bosma

Lisa Hepfner ‏@HefCHCHNews 6m6 minutes ago
Hagerman reviewed previous statements to remember where he pulled off the QEW and went to a Shoppers' in a strip mall. #Bosma

Susan Clairmont ‏@susanclairmont 6m6 minutes ago
Hagerman doesn't remember exactly where the stairwell was.

Alex Pierson ‏@AlexpiersonAMP 5m5 minutes ago
going back to police statement for accurate location. Hagerman confirms it was behind a shoppers drug mart in a strip mall.

Lisa Hepfner ‏@HefCHCHNews 6m6 minutes ago
They went behind a strip mall. There were stairs leading down to a bsmt electrical room, and they left items there. #Bosma

 

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Susan Clairmont ‏@susanclairmont 5m5 minutes ago
Hagerman said it was not the agreed upon place to leave the items. He chose it.

Alex Pierson ‏@AlexpiersonAMP 5m5 minutes ago
Hagerman never directly talked to MS. Michalski had direct contact w MS. Hagerman chose location. Not MS

Susan Clairmont ‏@susanclairmont 5m5 minutes ago
Both of them put the toolbox and backpack into stairwell, said Hagerman.

 

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Alex Pierson ‏@AlexpiersonAMP 5m5 minutes ago
Hagerman cried through much of his testimony. Hagerman says he had no contact w DM after he got toolbox.

Susan Clairmont ‏@susanclairmont 5m5 minutes ago
Millard: "It's best that I don't tell you." He didn't look like himself, said Hagerman.

Lisa Hepfner ‏@HefCHCHNews 5m5 minutes ago
Now onto Hagerman cross exam with Millard lawyer Nadir Sachak, who is recalling that Millard looked disheveled when dropping toolbox. #Bosma

Alex Pierson ‏@AlexpiersonAMP 6m6 minutes ago
Hagerman testimony under cross from Millard lawyer. Talking about DM being dishevelled.

Susan Clairmont ‏@susanclairmont 6m6 minutes ago
Now hearing Nadir Sachak cross-examine Hagerman. Asking him about Millard dropping off toolbox. Millard looked dishevelled, concerned.

molly hayes ‏@mollyhayes 6m6 minutes ago
Now we're hearing the cross-exam of Hagerman by Millard's lawyer Nadir Sachak. #Bosma

Lisa Hepfner ‏@HefCHCHNews 5m5 minutes ago
Says it wasn't an agreed drop-spot. "I chose the spot." #Bosma

Alex Pierson ‏@AlexpiersonAMP 5m5 minutes ago
Hagerman believes Michaslki was texting MS while drop off was being made.

Lisa Hepfner ‏@HefCHCHNews 6m6 minutes ago
Hagerman didn't know for sure but thought Michalski was texting with Smich while they were dropping goods. #Bosma