VERDICT WATCH - Sentencing of Jodi Arias - Break 2/27 thru 3/2 #2

[Nali87]

Yes, but what they GOT is a person who has inserted herself in the middle of the drama, gleefully string the pot, while likely playing a role in the murderers financial schemes and "fan club". A mitigation specialist who tweets entirely unprofessional things in the middle of a trip where her client is fighting for her life. Who leaks sealed info to a reporter that knows how to feed her ego. All to the tune of $60 something an hour.

Forgive me if I think that is not state money well spent.

And got CAUGHT sneaking things out of jail for the defendant. That alone should have let to them declining to renew her contract.

 

[Night-owl]

When you talk about someone asking you to forgive and there would be some pretty harsh words about that, there is the proof that the anger and negativity would still exist. No one says you can immediately forgive, it takes time, you have to go through different stages of grief, and everyone is different. You say it is more like transcendence than forgiveness. The good book says you have to forgive to be forgiven. It is written there for a reason. I don't believe their are exceptions. Everyone is different, everyone has there own opinions. Somewhere along the journey of being involved in a tragic incident, such as someone being murdered, or a wrongful death to someone you love, you have to move forward. If you don't, you just put one foot in front of the other and deal with life day after day, year after year and that anger is buried deep down but still exists. You have to get rid of it or it still comes to the surface now and then and affects your life. I chose forgiveness, and it was right for me and many, many people I have met with similar experiences. I truly hope TA's family and friends find that same freedom some day.

Specifically I'm talking about the holier-than-thou types who insist I should forgive an entirely unrepentant person who would continue to victimize anyone they could, just so other people can feel better about themselves.

No. I'm fine with exactly where I am. Anger is not synonymous with damaging. Anger is a powerful force and it can be used for good. Think of what John Walsh has accomplished. I've seen interviews where he is radiating anger. It can hurt a person, but don't think it HAS to. Anger can be managed and directed. Sorry if that makes someone else uncomfortable, ultimately I'm not responsible for the comfort of the world.

The forgiveness in the Bible is reserved for those who repent, confess their sins and beg for forgiveness. Don't see that with Jodi. Don't see that with a lot of people. Perhaps the world would be better if we weren't so insistent on the need to forgive.

 

[Nali87]

The jury can ask her questions and she would have to answer them. That I did not know. During the deliberations are there court watchers in the court? Media? I am wondering if she would come out an answer considering she is so 'unstable' and fears for her life, or would her defense team be her mouth piece once again. In my opinion, I think it is a good sign the members of the jury, as far as I know, have not asked her questions and maybe that is because the don't believe a word of her dribble. Just a thought, on this snowy, Sunday morning.

Did she answers the three questions the jury already had for her?

 

[ScarlettScarpetta]

Specifically I'm talking about the holier-than-thou types who insist I should forgive an entirely unrepentant person who would continue to victimize anyone they could, just so other people can feel better about themselves.

No. I'm fine with exactly where I am. Anger is not synonymous with damaging. Anger is a powerful force and it can be used for good. Think of what John Walsh has accomplished. I've seen interviews where he is radiating anger. It can hurt a person, but don't think it HAS to. Anger can be managed and directed. Sorry if that makes someone else uncomfortable, ultimately I'm not responsible for the comfort of the world.

The forgiveness in the Bible is reserved for those who repent, confess their sins and beg for forgiveness. Don't see that with Jodi. Don't see that with a lot of people. Perhaps the world would be better if we weren't so insistent on the need to forgive.

That is not what the forgiveness in the bible is all about. We ask God for forgiveness but the forgiveness we give to others is not about them asking for it. Not that I am trying to change what you think or how you live, just making sure it is clear what the bible actually says.

 

[Nali87]

This probably won't add anything valuable to the conversation but the Catholic-who-rebelled-against-her-religion in me always find it curious when people quote certain things from the bible. Like for example "Forgive to be forgiven" yet there are plenty of examples of God punishing whole populations (wiping them out) for committing sins. "Sodom and gomorrah", "The Egyptian plagues", "Wiping out the world and asking Noah to build an arch", etc. Sometimes it's purely about anger and punishment - even in the Bible.

Just something I always found curious...

 

[Night-owl]

That is not what the forgiveness in the bible is all about. We ask God for forgiveness but the forgiveness we give to others is not about them asking for it. Not that I am trying to change what you think or how you live, just making sure it is clear what the bible actually says.

Best known Bible verses in the world, Matt 6: 9-15. We have an obligation to forgive in the same way God forgives us. There is no shortage of references to indicate that involves repenting, acknowledging the wrongs we have done, and asking for forgiveness.

 

[ScarlettScarpetta]

This probably won't add anything valuable to the conversation but the Catholic-who-rebelled-against-her-religion in me always find it curious when people quote certain things from the bible. Like for example "Forgive to be forgiven" yet there are plenty of examples of God punishing whole populations (wiping them out) for committing sins. "Sodom and gomorrah", "The Egyptian plagues", "Wiping out the world and asking Noah to build an arch", etc. Sometimes it's purely about anger and punishment - even in the Bible.

Just something I always found curious...

IT is really not,, But this is getting way off course.
I hope that the Alexanders can find a way to live in peace. I can not imagine having to know all these details and then being able to just forget them.
I just wish them peace.

 

[MaLou]

"One female juror admitted she saw coverage of the first trial "like everybody else" but she didn't follow it closely, she is a kindergarten teacher and barely knows how to use the Internet."

Could be this person was being grilled about her knowledge or participation in social media, and she answered quasi-in jest, "No, I can barely turn my computer on."[/QUOTE]

That's what I took from that statement. I was an elementary teacher for ten years, until this school year, and there is a huge push for technology in education, even in the rural district in which I taught.

 

[ScarlettScarpetta]

Best known Bible verses in the world, Matt 6: 9-15. We have an obligation to forgive in the same way God forgives us. There is no shortage of references to indicate that involves repenting, acknowledging the wrongs we have done, and asking for forgiveness.

Yes, We are too forgive as he forgives us as in forgive and forget but for us it is not conditional on being asked for forgiveness. We are to forgive because he forgives us.
Again. The religion convo is getting way off track and could get us a closed thread so I think we should move on from it.. JMO.

 

[Night-owl]

The camera and Sony memory card was new though. Purchased after JA moved from AZ. So how could old pictures of them be on it?

Next to that, Jodi would have had to be a brunette.

What you're suggesting seems like a very complicated alternative when the fitness band around his arm (later found in the bathroom), Jodi's hair color, exif data, etc all point to the pics being taken that day.

The other explanations provided all seem to depend on MORE unproven things (manipulated exif data, other memory card etc) ttan the explanation provided in court.

Every time a digital camera creates an image, there is Metadata associated with it that gives a lot of info, including the device that took the image, if it has been edited, and for new cameras, where and when the image was captured. That info can't be modified without leaving indications of monkeying around with it.

 

[east2west]

And got CAUGHT sneaking things out of jail for the defendant. That alone should have let to them declining to renew her contract.

Did the smuggled out pinwheel drawing ever make it to the auction block?

 

[5bigfish5]

Did she answers the three questions the jury already had for her?

I've been wondering about those too. Seems Sherry just swept those under the rug along with all the other secrets.

 

[MeeBee]

Did the smuggled out pinwheel drawing ever make it to the auction block?

Supposedly. Soon after this incident a pinwheel typedrawing showed up for sale on her art website. When she was caught with the art Maria said it was only for mitigation purposes and the DT threw a fit about discrimination against her.Yet that drawing ended up for sale as have others since then. So she is still taking the drawings out for her under the guise of mitigation and selling them online.

 

[Night-owl]

Supposedly. Soon after this incident a pinwheel typedrawing showed up for sale on her art website. When she was caught with the art Maria said it was only for mitigation purposes and the DT threw a fit about discrimination against her.Yet that drawing ended up for sale as have others since then. So she is still taking the drawings out for her under the guise of mitigation and selling them online.

Yeah, "mitigation purposes". Like, "I need to bribe....er...hire...um...compensate some wacko in NZ to testiLIE for me, and that requires some mad money from selling my trac....um, fine art."

You know, "Mitigation purposes."

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[Bernina]

[h=1]An Open Letter to Jodi Arias[/h]
https://emmiandpete.wordpress.com/2015/02/22/an-open-letter-to-jodi-arias/

 

[Koshka]

Forgiveness is not about the other people. IT is about your own feelings. If people live in bitterness and anger it can destroy them mentally and physically. I believe in forgiveness and I think while it may have religious connotations it doesn't have to at all.
I don't think people can tell other people they have to forgive because it is something that comes from inside.
I think forgiveness is just about letting go and not letting that person's actions control your life.

I don't know the Alexanders at all. I can not imagine the grief and pain this has caused them and what they have been through. But I can imagine for them it does not feel over, or like they can let Travis rest yet because this debacle is still going on and they have been skewered over and over by JA her lawyers and their lies.
I hope that at some point they can remember TA without remembering JA.

BBM. I've always found it difficult to put into words, and you just did it. Thank you for summing up my feelings on this subject so well.

 

[Truth Detector]

I apologize if this has been asked,but is the many,many days that JA was on on the stand part of the evidence this jury can see or read?

Any evidence admitted at trial is available. That includes exhibits, testimony/testiphony, etc.

Transcripts would be available, but I doubt that trial video would be unless it was separately admitted into evidence. For example, if either side had played a portion of it before the jury in this phase and JSKS admitted that clip as evidence.

Issues with the video would be its incompleteness, motion hearings not before the jury, remarks subsequently struck by the judge, inadvertent open microphones -- especially while jury was out, etc.

 

[TexMex]

Any evidence admitted at trial is available. That includes exhibits, testimony/testiphony, etc.

Transcripts would be available, but I doubt that trial video would be unless it was separately admitted into evidence.

Issues with the video would be its incompleteness, motion hearings not before the jury, remarks subsequently struck by the judge, inadvertent open microphones -- especially while jury was out, etc.

I wish we could read the jury instructions...

 

[AngelWings444]

Well done, AngelWings. I noticed that the trauma nurse juror said she'd been a domestic violence victim between age 18-24. And the special needs teacher/aide described herself as "a very factual person". My overall impression now is that a unanimous DP verdict is very unlikely. Sounds like some juror/s are trying to lead the group in the right direction by asking for first trial info not presented in this phase iirc. Reading JA's first-trial testimony in search of "remorse" and JM's closing would be helpful.

I don't understand how you can conclude this by the nurse and teacher. The nurse is a DV survivor. She will 1000000% know what happens when you are a victim of DV. She will be able to see right through JA. There was NO abuse and JA drove all those miles when the relationship was over, something not one DV survivor would ever do. I like her, for now. :wink:

The teacher, I suspect, is just an aide in the class and did respond in jest after being grilled about watching the original trial by saying "barely turn on the computer." IMO - it in no way says she doesn't use the internet. My son barely turns on his computer, but he certainly is on his phone all the time! She admitted to watching some of the first trial. If she did as she said, I am sure she is not in the Arias camp. Not many people who saw coverage of the first trial thought JA was innocent or that she didn't deserve the harshest penalty. She also assists with special needs children. I don't think she will believe JA was a victim of child abuse if she has training with special needs children. Since she is a "very factual person," I really like that she is on the jury. A very factual person would have to see things for themselves and they would likely follow the letter of the law.

 

[Isabelle]

Something really wrong with time off during deliberations and not sequestered. Sounds like a ticket for mistrial to me.