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She did accordingng to tweets and also said they could work Saturday as well. She needed to know in advance so appropriate staff could be arranged
VERDICT WATCH - Sentencing of Jodi Arias - Break 2/27 thru 3/2
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She did accordingng to tweets and also said they could work Saturday as well. She needed to know in advance so appropriate staff could be arranged
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She did accordingng to tweets and also said they could work Saturday as well. She needed to know in advance so appropriate staff could be arranged
Thank you. I did not see any of that. I rescind my prior post and bed forgiveness..
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Dying is punishment. There is no two ways about it. I don't think it matters in that moment when you are laying there knowing they are going to stop you from breathing. It is not pretty and I have seen reports of some tortuous injection deaths.
She knows exactly what she is causing. She does not care. It is all about her.
I wondered if some feel so overwhelmed by how much they have to review that they wanted to be able to read whenever possible so they could have active discussions when amongst each other??
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Oh well. I guess that is something people should think about when slaughtering a person who is likely begging for life..
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Lewisville/Flower Mound, here.
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You know I am bracing myself for the information that is getting ready to flow once this trial is over. After reading that Mimi received a threatening telephone call, I suspect that many of us will be outraged at what wasn't allowed in at the trial. Many of my thoughts and analyses were based on available information with a good smattering of intuitive guess-timations and extrapolation. But the information that wasn't available is starting to shine a new light on JA that is revealing her as worse than I imagined
For instance, I have never been fully convinced that she was intent on harming anyone else, despite having a gun and knives, when they arrested her. But with this Mimi call and the reported fear of TA friends, well all I can say is maybe those who have believed this all along were in fact right.
For instance, I have never been fully convinced that she was intent on harming anyone else, despite having a gun and knives, when they arrested her. But with this Mimi call and the reported fear of TA friends, well all I can say is maybe those who have believed this all along were in fact right.
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Born and raised in California, moved to Texas in 2002...NEVER regretted it, it is definitely HOME and my kinda state!
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Her last words might be: ...and to my parents...if you had just stopped beating me with wooden spoons and throwing me into door frames for just one minute and encouraged my artistic tendencies...you might be attending an art opening in Paris right now instead of my execution!
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I don't think she thought about his death. I think she thought about ending her own angst. His death was a means to an end for her IMO. I don't think she cares one way or another.
And I'll bring the cake!
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would anyone have sympathy for ISIS murderer Mohammed Emwazi? For beheading innocent victims? That's what Jodi did. She is no different, IMO. He will be caught and brought justice soon and I hope he gets a heavy dose of waterboarding before he fries.
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Exactly. Because nothing in her life will ever be her fault. It will always always be someone else's fault that she is like she is.
She will be laying there saying If only Travis had not beat me up...
TruthD...
Thought more about your perspective on what there is to deliberate and how long it "should" take. Here's the speediest thoughtful deliberation scenario I can imagine (it assumes a verdict of DP, because that's what I think they'll vote):
1. They decompress and vent about mysteries, delays, finally being able to discuss the case.
2. They select a foreperson.
3. They review jury instructions, as requested, and inform the bailiff of their deliberating schedule.
4. They settle in and decide how they will go about deliberating.
5. They don't think it's necessary to go down the list one by one because most of them walked back thinking she deserved the DP.
6. They don't question the first jury's finding of especially cruel, because the autopsy photos tell them everything they need to know about that, and JM has just reminded them about the excruciating pain Travis Alexander experienced as he was being murdered.
7. Precisely because so many of them have already decided for death, they wonder why the first jury hung. All of the jurors agree that they are determined to reach a consensus, no matter how long it takes. They feel invested in every way, and they want to be the jury that gets it done. So they're good with being methodical and getting it right.
8. They realize they have forgotten most of what was said in week 1 about premeditation, and a lot of other things they think might be important.
9. They realize they never heard the full opposing stories about what actually happened on June 4. The DT is suggesting a story that suggests she snapped between sex and shower but they don't say what might have happened to make her snap. They're clearly suggesting that Travis triggered the "event." They're definitely saying (in closing) that Travis invited her to his house, so that also suggest that whatever premeditation there was must have been after she arrived. The State is saying she wasn't invited (in closing), that she killed him with a gun and a knife (in closing), and that they must accept the verdict of premeditated murder.
10. They find out once they begin deliberations that all guilt phase exhibits are available to them. It's a huge pile of material, and coupled with 12 sets of 5 months’ worth of notes, they decide they need to focus in on what the group finds most important to recheck, verify, or question. They ask for and review a list of exhibits and make an initial decision which if any of the exhibits they think they might need.
11. Discussion leads to the emergence of two questions they agree are pivotal:
?1: how far ahead of time did she premeditate the murder? They've been specifically instructed that premeditation has no specific time frame. The first jury found premeditation, but the same rule applied, so either the DT or the State's version of June 4 presented to them could theoretically be true. If they become convinced that she premeditated the murder while in California, then everything else the DT has presented as fact becomes at the very least, extremely suspect. (If even one juror wavers on that point, I think it's going to take them a long time to sift through the evidence to convince a holdout).
?2. Is she mentally ill, and if she is, does her mental illness explain why she killed him?
12. They spent hours- half a day, even, sorting out the question of premeditation, in part because unlike the first jury, the presentation of June 4 was exceedingly brief, and very incomplete, including the important question of what her defense said happened. Ultimately they agree the premeditation began in CA.
13. Next they discuss her mental illness. They quickly reject PTSD, because they don't believe Geffner and think it's irrelevant. PTSD can't explain why she would premeditate a murder 2 months after she left and 1,000 miles away. BPD? They all are sure she has BPD because they trust DeMarte and because both sides said she did. BPD. BPD...DeMarte has told them BPD explains a lot of her behavior BEFORE the murder. But...she also has told them BPD doesn't mean JA couldn't distinguish between right and wrong. She could. That means she chose to murder him and knew what she was choosing. There was no snapped of any kind.
14. Their final and most important question then, is whether or not her mental illness is mitigating. That is a completely subjective question, and one that requires 12 people providing and discussing their own opinions and beliefs, even if all 12 agree at the onset that her mental illness is not mitigating.
There is so much I can imagine they would want to talk about....did she ever accept responsibility for what she did? Did she show remorse? The pedo lie. Her letter to his family. Etc. A lot of that evidence and argument was extremely powerful and disturbing. Even though they'll all be able to talk about whatever they want to after the trial, I can easily imagine wanting to take their time to talk amongst themselves about how and why individual pieces of evidence affected them. Seems like human nature to me.
15. They take a vote after it seems they have reached a consensus. They are unanimously in favor of the DP. They spend a little while talking about how it feels to have reached a decision, and what they think will happen next.
16. They discuss and decide how to handle media requests, feeling out who wants to stay in touch afterwards, and exchanging contact info.
17. They take a deep breath as the foreperson fills out the verdict forms.
18. They notify the bailiff they have reached a verdict.
How many hours would all that take? My best guess is through early morning on Monday, verdict before lunchtime.
Thought more about your perspective on what there is to deliberate and how long it "should" take. Here's the speediest thoughtful deliberation scenario I can imagine (it assumes a verdict of DP, because that's what I think they'll vote):
1. They decompress and vent about mysteries, delays, finally being able to discuss the case.
2. They select a foreperson.
3. They review jury instructions, as requested, and inform the bailiff of their deliberating schedule.
4. They settle in and decide how they will go about deliberating.
5. They don't think it's necessary to go down the list one by one because most of them walked back thinking she deserved the DP.
6. They don't question the first jury's finding of especially cruel, because the autopsy photos tell them everything they need to know about that, and JM has just reminded them about the excruciating pain Travis Alexander experienced as he was being murdered.
7. Precisely because so many of them have already decided for death, they wonder why the first jury hung. All of the jurors agree that they are determined to reach a consensus, no matter how long it takes. They feel invested in every way, and they want to be the jury that gets it done. So they're good with being methodical and getting it right.
8. They realize they have forgotten most of what was said in week 1 about premeditation, and a lot of other things they think might be important.
9. They realize they never heard the full opposing stories about what actually happened on June 4. The DT is suggesting a story that suggests she snapped between sex and shower but they don't say what might have happened to make her snap. They're clearly suggesting that Travis triggered the "event." They're definitely saying (in closing) that Travis invited her to his house, so that also suggest that whatever premeditation there was must have been after she arrived. The State is saying she wasn't invited (in closing), that she killed him with a gun and a knife (in closing), and that they must accept the verdict of premeditated murder.
10. They find out once they begin deliberations that all guilt phase exhibits are available to them. It's a huge pile of material, and coupled with 12 sets of 5 months’ worth of notes, they decide they need to focus in on what the group finds most important to recheck, verify, or question. They ask for and review a list of exhibits and make an initial decision which if any of the exhibits they think they might need.
11. Discussion leads to the emergence of two questions they agree are pivotal:
?1: how far ahead of time did she premeditate the murder? They've been specifically instructed that premeditation has no specific time frame. The first jury found premeditation, but the same rule applied, so either the DT or the State's version of June 4 presented to them could theoretically be true. If they become convinced that she premeditated the murder while in California, then everything else the DT has presented as fact becomes at the very least, extremely suspect. (If even one juror wavers on that point, I think it's going to take them a long time to sift through the evidence to convince a holdout).
?2. Is she mentally ill, and if she is, does her mental illness explain why she killed him?
12. They spent hours- half a day, even, sorting out the question of premeditation, in part because unlike the first jury, the presentation of June 4 was exceedingly brief, and very incomplete, including the important question of what her defense said happened. Ultimately they agree the premeditation began in CA.
13. Next they discuss her mental illness. They quickly reject PTSD, because they don't believe Geffner and think it's irrelevant. PTSD can't explain why she would premeditate a murder 2 months after she left and 1,000 miles away. BPD? They all are sure she has BPD because they trust DeMarte and because both sides said she did. BPD. BPD...DeMarte has told them BPD explains a lot of her behavior BEFORE the murder. But...she also has told them BPD doesn't mean JA couldn't distinguish between right and wrong. She could. That means she chose to murder him and knew what she was choosing. There was no snapped of any kind.
14. Their final and most important question then, is whether or not her mental illness is mitigating. That is a completely subjective question, and one that requires 12 people providing and discussing their own opinions and beliefs, even if all 12 agree at the onset that her mental illness is not mitigating.
There is so much I can imagine they would want to talk about....did she ever accept responsibility for what she did? Did she show remorse? The pedo lie. Her letter to his family. Etc. A lot of that evidence and argument was extremely powerful and disturbing. Even though they'll all be able to talk about whatever they want to after the trial, I can easily imagine wanting to take their time to talk amongst themselves about how and why individual pieces of evidence affected them. Seems like human nature to me.
15. They take a vote after it seems they have reached a consensus. They are unanimously in favor of the DP. They spend a little while talking about how it feels to have reached a decision, and what they think will happen next.
16. They discuss and decide how to handle media requests, feeling out who wants to stay in touch afterwards, and exchanging contact info.
17. They take a deep breath as the foreperson fills out the verdict forms.
18. They notify the bailiff they have reached a verdict.
How many hours would all that take? My best guess is through early morning on Monday, verdict before lunchtime.
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Her last words may take awhile. The execution crew will get overtime for sure
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Who has sympathy for her?
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She decided in order for Jodi to "move on" (live) Travis had to die
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I think that the DP is the RIGHT verdict and the verdict that she DESERVES. Having said that, I am afraid that she just might get it.
I have been doing a little research and death row prisoners are the focus of a great many 'help' groups. They will not give a flying fig about JA as a person but she would make a great symbol for their cause. She is still young, female, presentable looking, and has the personality and brains to throw herself wholeheartedly into the drama of abolish state killing. She will be their poster child. There will be online petitions, appeals to the public, and well meaning people will jump on the 'don't kill this girl' bandwagon just because they are opposed to the DP.
Her years will be spent manipulating and using these people who think they are using her. Travis will be pushed to the background. This terrible bloody crime will be ignored. Through their public efforts, someday down the road a few years, they just might get her sentence reduced. It has happened.
Add to the anti DP crowd, the people who will rally to the cry of domestic violence. They, having not followed this trial too closely, will claim that she is being given the DP for defending herself against an abuser. In two years, maybe three, facts will be forgotten or ignored and JA will be expert at playing the system. She learns quickly and manipulating is as easy for her as breathing. She will drag Travis and his family through Hell for years to come. They will NEVER be free of her.
I am more afraid of JA getting the DP than she is. :cow: MOO
I have been doing a little research and death row prisoners are the focus of a great many 'help' groups. They will not give a flying fig about JA as a person but she would make a great symbol for their cause. She is still young, female, presentable looking, and has the personality and brains to throw herself wholeheartedly into the drama of abolish state killing. She will be their poster child. There will be online petitions, appeals to the public, and well meaning people will jump on the 'don't kill this girl' bandwagon just because they are opposed to the DP.
Her years will be spent manipulating and using these people who think they are using her. Travis will be pushed to the background. This terrible bloody crime will be ignored. Through their public efforts, someday down the road a few years, they just might get her sentence reduced. It has happened.
Add to the anti DP crowd, the people who will rally to the cry of domestic violence. They, having not followed this trial too closely, will claim that she is being given the DP for defending herself against an abuser. In two years, maybe three, facts will be forgotten or ignored and JA will be expert at playing the system. She learns quickly and manipulating is as easy for her as breathing. She will drag Travis and his family through Hell for years to come. They will NEVER be free of her.
I am more afraid of JA getting the DP than she is. :cow: MOO
The only way she is going to experience these punishments is to get the DP. The END is only icing on the cake!
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