WHAT Has Been Said & By WHOM... That Baffles You? (aka Oh No They Didn't!)

[ExpectingUnicorns]

It is my opinion that they took Kc out to universal. They stopped by and picked her up. She did not drive them there, she did not lead them there, matter of fact, I think Ym was already out there. IMO They led Kc to Universal. IMO Then they begin to interrogate her and and intimidate her. Shameful. IMO But in the end, they begin to ask questions again, just proving they had no idea what was going on. IMO

That interrogation is prolly going to hurt them more than it is going to hurt Kc. IMO Afterall, they totally lost communication with the last person to see Caylee. IMO

And why did they take/pick up/drive her to Universal?

 

[wildchild1961]

There are so many interviews where Le said we had talked about this before, you had mentioned, we talked before we went on tape. That all makes me nervous. Its like preinterviewing and knowing what questions not to ask. IMO

Well.. count the first time it came up.. then a second and third questioning of applicable statements while LE is trying to confirm something a person has said (even just the initial statements given by the officer sent to home to follow up on 911 call which must usually be signed by an involved individual if the officer files a report) and already you have a scenario where LE would be able to say.. we have talked about this before. I can easily see how even a day or two after the initial 911 calls that LE would already be saying.. "we talked before we went on tape". Personal experience I have being interviewed with LE several times has shown me they usually do talk with a person not charged of an actual crime before going on tape as to what they are going to be discussing. Its called courtesy and preparedness.

wild

 

[LCoastMom]

One (more) thing that has always bothered me was hearing KC in the background of the 911 call saying she has nothing to say to the dispatcher, who needed KC to confirm the info a nearly hysterical CA had just relayed to them.

Stone Cold Beotch. Why are you calling now? Why didn't you call 31 days ago? Duh...

The time line (when KC aka mom of the year - and Caylee were at the beach, bonding!) and Jesse is Zany, Amy is Zany, RM is Zany...

These people also hold a grudge forever! Every single member of this family - told LE the story about CA holding Caylee before KC! For goodness sake, it had been 3 years!! Get over it already!!

KC telling the guy in CA (Mark H IIRC) that Caylee was getting so big he wouldn't believe, after she had already gone "missing."

I know. That was chilling. Just give me his number, etc. That was all she cared about. Nothing else existed. Her totally flat tone of voice, too. She sounded like a junkie to me. She looked like a junkie in that time frame, too, the completely vacant/wide-eyed facial expression etc.
And why would they know his number, better than she did? I never got that. She'd been living with this guy for the past month. Why would they know his number at all? Weird all around.

My bro has been in LE for 30 years and married for over 20 - yesterday I asked him if the number I had for his wife's cell (that I read to him) was current - he admitted he had no idea. He entered it into his cell when she first got the phone and never looked at it again.

No one memorizes phone numbers anymore.

KC knew that Lee had gone to TL's apt to bring back the PC and KC's belongings including her wallet and cell phone (or at least one of her cell phones :crazy but before Lee got there LE had already had someone retrieve the cell phone, that she had left behind.

Knowing that Lee had spent about 45 minutes "visiting" with the boys, late night 7/15 into early AM 7/16., and given Lee's uncanny ability to slip into LE mode it would have made sense for Lee to swap phone numbers in case the A Team had any questions for TL. Thank goodness he had already told LE and KC he was going to do whatever he could to help find Caylee.

 

[wildchild1961]

It is my opinion that they took Kc out to universal. They stopped by and picked her up. She did not drive them there, she did not lead them there, matter of fact, I think Ym was already out there. IMO They led Kc to Universal. IMO Then they begin to interrogate her and and intimidate her. Shameful. IMO But in the end, they begin to ask questions again, just proving they had no idea what was going on. IMO/QUOTE]

NTS.. with all due respect. Might want to check the dictionary for meanings of the word "lead". Dictionary.com has at least 20 definitions.. including.. "to guide in direction, course, action, opinion, etc" as well as.. "to influence or induce".

LE didnt pull the name Universal out of the phone book. They didn't just randomly drive around and hope to come across a place where Casey worked? Casey gave them that name and address as a place as her current employment. So of course there are going to check it out. There is the life of a missing child at stake. Hence.. she LED them there.

Frankly.. knowing that LE will get tuff on someone involved in an investigation they catch telling lie after lie is something I would expect them to do and would be highly disgusted if they didnt. It allows folks like you and I to walk the streets in relative safety during the day and to sleep well at night.

Concerning your comment about LE acting shamefully. At what point.. would it be appropriate for them to get tuff on a liar and intimidate them? Perhaps they should have wined and dined her and at the last moment.. deny her dessert until she comes clean with the truth??????????? Or perhaps a shopping trip paid for by taxpayers and at the last moment.. she wont get the perfect shoes to go with her new outfit unless she explains to them why they spent an entire day checking out her story and came up with a bunch of bullchit that she had fed them? I say.. INTIMIDATE ALL THE LIARS YOU WANT LE and KUDOS TO YOU FOR DOING IT.

The only thing I can agree on in your post NTS, is that yes.. Casey did not drive LE to Universal. Its the last place on the planet she wanted them to go.

And yes.. she DID lead them directly to Universal (again.. refer to dictionary definitions of the word "lead")
wild

 

[Horace Finklestein]

I agree, the state needs her to be credible. IMO They also need GA and LA to be credible. These are the non le people that claimed they smelled something. IMO Not sure how they are going to handle this, but if they impeach these people, then that speaks for itself. Its tough to say, you can believe her about this, but you can't believe her about this. know what i mean?

No, actually I don't know what you mean. Could you be a bit more specific?

 

[gamom]

I think in his state of mind at that time, and being former LE, someone from LE convinced him that there had been a dead body in the car, when in fact there is no proof of that. Now after all the docs are out and we see there is no smoking gun showing a dead body in the car, you don't see Ga saying anything like that. I think in one of his interviews he states that he does not know who to believe anymore. That is all just my opinion, and in the heat of the moment he said something that he prolly now regrets. IMO

I am sure George does regret his statement. I am sure CA regrets saying that on the 911 tape. But the truth is, GA checked the trunk at the tow yard before he even drove it home. Why did he do that? I have picked up my car at a tow yard, and never checked the trunk before driving it home? He checked it because the smell was something so strong that he HAD to check it right then and there. It was a smell he recognized and his gut said "check the trunk". As he opened it he thought to himself..."Please don't let it be my daughter or grand daughter in the trunk".

I have never had those thoughts when picking up my car from the tow yard. He would have found the pizza right away. So why the very next day or two when he speaks to LE would he STILL say that it smelt like human decomposition?

The A's now regret their statements because they know that the truth they uttered in the spur of the moment will ultimately be what sends KC to jail for the rest of her life. In the end though, I feel like the truth they have spoken will ultimately set them free and give them peace.

 

[gamom]

There are so many interviews where Le said we had talked about this before, you had mentioned, we talked before we went on tape. That all makes me nervous. Its like preinterviewing and knowing what questions not to ask. IMO

ITA. LE should have never asked KC, what happened to Caylee. They should have never tried to confirm her alibi about her having a job and being at work that day. They should have never asked her "How does lying to us, help us find Caylee?" because with out that question LE would have never gotten KC's response "It's not"

Translation..."I am leading you around town, telling lie after lie because I know it is NOT going to help you find my missing daughter"

Correct me if I am wrong, but I feel like LE has experience dealing with liars. They are looking for a missing toddler. It is said that children that go missing are killed within 72 hours of being taken. Since they were already 31+ days late, they had to know that their time was running out, if not gone. They do not have time to play games (unlike the loving mother of the year they are talking too). knowing what questions to ask and not bother asking is doing their job. People usually volunteer information that they feel is relevant with out being prompted. I am sure people called LE and said something that was not part of the interview. LE wanted to get it on tape and had to get the person to say what they had already said again. Makes sense to me. IF LE was lying the person could just say "that conversation never took place" or "I don't remember saying that"

 

[gamom]

I agree, the state needs her to be credible. IMO They also need GA and LA to be credible. These are the non le people that claimed they smelled something. IMO Not sure how they are going to handle this, but if they impeach these people, then that speaks for itself. Its tough to say, you can believe her about this, but you can't believe her about this. know what i mean?

Honestly I don't think they need her or GA to be credible. When she lies and changes her story about it being Pizza just shows that she told the truth but when she saw it was going to hurt her daughter she changed her story. What parent wants to believe their child could do this? Makes sense to me and I am sure it would make sense to a jury. The A's actions have shown they love Caylee and they are torn between the truth and saving KC.

I have a daughter. I love her with everything. I can not imagine having to make a statement that would send her to death row. EVEN if she killed my grand child. Part of me would blame myself and my parenting. I would struggle. Telling myself that even if I tell the truth it is not going to bring her back. I would convince myself that if I get her off, I could get her the help she needs. Not saying that it is right, just saying...I understand. As a mother, it would take a lot for me to give up on my child. It would take even more for me to be the one that ultimately puts the needle in her arm.

 

[Just Jayla]

Lee: "To this day I believe everything my sister has said" and "I believe her because I have to" Unbelievable, immature and absurd.

CIndy: That she believes Caylee is alive. I think that is the most offensive, disgusting thing to come out of her mouth yet. And yes, she DID mean Caylee is physically alive, as she was telling Casey the same thing in her jailhouse letters (she said she believed casey was framed and she's desperately trying to disprove it). Too bad no one seems to care enough for Cindy to try to get her some help.

Yeah, she needs it. Her co-workers tried to get her to go to counseling, she went, what, once, and did not like anything about it (funny how one can so easily sabotage their own therapy)....and her brother RP begged her to smarten up (he was not all mean about it at first). But her negative energy and pride keeps getting in the way, and honestly I am not sure she'll ever change that about herself anyway.

 

[Just Jayla]

GA to JM, telling him to stop calling Caylee's remains 'remains.' Then insisting that JM was giving him the finger everytime he adjusted his glasses.

CA's accusations against AH and TL....let me get this straight, AH and TL are implicit in the disappearance, so AH took your call, met with you and proceeded to bring you right to TL's home? Boy, AH and TL are good with that reverse psychology stuff...

LA tells TL that KC delivers more whoppers than Burger King...I wanna hear more about that again at trial time, Lee!!

DC to LE: A pychic told me where Caylee was while I was checking out an area where Kio said to look, to make sure I should not look there...

KC's explanation for why she, who claims to have done nothing wrong, did not tell anyone, not even her boyfriend or RyanP or JG, or AD, or SD...that someone took her child from her-Because she's a spiteful biatch? Huh? What does spiting her mom have to do with something that happened to her? Spiteful indeed.

 

[zoey]

Seagull, no I don't think that is what happened, respectfully. I remember GA's interview with LE and GA kind of "bragging" that he was former LE and he "knew" that smell and said "it's one you never forget". I don't think LE encouraged GA in any way whatsoever.

I'm thinking he mentioned this at more than one depo....

 

[zoey]

I was talking about them not considering the possibility that the nanny was also a missing person or even the body in the trunk LOL, we were discussing GA's statement about the "body in my daughter's trunk was not my granddaughter" etc....
Yes they found a ZG had indeed been at Sawgrass on that date as alleged by Casey, but allegedly it's a different ZG. That's another baffling thing for our list, that there was another ZG there that day. What's the chance of that? Wow.
But ever since then I thought LE has maintained it was all a lie by Casey and there was/is no Zanny (the nanny). I never saw anything come out where LE had a search out for the nanny in case she's also missing, etc.

they tried...but you have to admit that the info wasn't all to conclusive...I beleive they even checked out her "hospital stay" when she was in that "car accident".....

I don't know about you but if I were leaving my kids with someone that I had know 4 year (one interview) I would be able to at least tell them where she had lived, had phone numbers and whatever contact info I could find---There would have been something that would have matched---NOTHING that ICA gave MATCHED with what she was telling....LE has been around long enough that when things don't add up something else should be more looked at...The did what they had to when they initally charged her---She made no sense with what she gave--I know I've read and personally have put more effort in searching for a lost pet than she did for a daughter....:twocents:

 

[Mamabear1963]

I have looked at this title since it was posted...my only thoughts have been...

What HASN'T baffled me?

the whole thing baffles me...

 

[charok]

one thing that sat off w/ me, is in the beginning in the jail videos, casey on a few occassions refers to caylee as "that little girl"= ( think how misty croslin refers to hayleigh as " that little girl") kind of a detachment, like kc saying she hasnt seen her daughter in 31 days... also this wasnt said, but law enforcement found the papers w/ variations of "casey lazzaro", mrs tony lazzaro,ect in her abandoned sun fire.( think of a schoolgirl writing her married name, if she married her crush?) i know she was in a panic when tony said he didnt want girls, knew how hard they were to raise, i think she had a susan smith type moment/ contributed to caylees demise? maybe off topic, but it just sprang into my mind( and i apologize if it was offtopic)

 

[coco puff]

Jose telling the media that it does KC NO good to show her cards at this point.

seriously Jose??

 

[ZsaZsa]

Revised version - Cindy ( In a complete panic on the phone to 911) I can't find my grand-daughter...
'THERE'S SOMETHING WRONG- I found my daughter's car today and it smells like there's been a Pizza or a bag of garbage in the car...
We're so worried we can barely keep still'...

 

[LCoastMom]

It is my opinion that they took Kc out to universal. They stopped by and picked her up. She did not drive them there, she did not lead them there, matter of fact, I think Ym was already out there. IMO They led Kc to Universal. IMO Then they begin to interrogate her and and intimidate her. Shameful. IMO But in the end, they begin to ask questions again, just proving they had no idea what was going on. IMO

That interrogation is prolly going to hurt them more than it is going to hurt Kc. IMO Afterall, they totally lost communication with the last person to see Caylee. IMO

KC had already signed a sworn statement that the info she gave was correct and LE had already checked all the addy's, apartments and her "job", they already knew it was all a lie.

They drove her to Universal, and they drove to to all the addresses she gave them. Had Caylee been alive they were now at minus 31 days and 12 hours. LE was understandably out of patience with the last person to see Caylee.

Communicating a bunch of lies, is not communicating. She was playing a game and the LE Officers were done!

 

[LCoastMom]

Jose telling the media that it does KC NO good to show her cards at this point.

seriously Jose??

This tells me JB knew Caylee would not be coming home - the whole time, no one in their right mind would leave an endangered toddler with a kidnapper, when he could have been a hero to the whole freaking civilized world, by bringing her home.

I guess the attorney of Elizabeth Johnson, mother of baby Gabriel, in AZ went to the same law school as JB - she'll sit and rot in jail forever, whether she talks or not. So she has been advised not to talk.

 

[USARDOG]

Wow, reading these, there are so many bizarre statements by so many bizarre people! Hard to believe this collection of people and statements!

 

[nyvictoria]

I literally just listened to that call, and I had the exact same reaction! That was right after Casey's friend started getting panicky/hysterical (worried about Caylee), and Casey's reaction was just stone cold. Chilling!

I'm surprised we haven't seen a motion from JB & Co. asking to exclude this. It's pretty damning! All she cares about is getting TL's phone number! Every word that comes out of Casey's mouth baffles me!

http://investigation.discovery.com/blogs/criminal-report/audio/CaseyAnthonyjailcall.mp3