AMBER ALERT WI - Jayme Closs, 13, Barron, missing after parents found shot, 15 Oct 2018 *endangered* #23

[cluciano63]

Good point.

The fact that the family was actively engaged in the community away from home, yet neighbors did not even know in general terms that they had a teen age daughter could support an active effort to keep their place of residence concealed.

I don’t know who lives three doors down from me
I know people come and go, but not really who lives there. And we live much closer.

 

[tiffkinsadder]

Jethro4WS explained the call log in a reply post. The male name listed is Denise’s brother and he called LE. The top female name is Denise’s sister. I looked back through and don’t see where they contacted her but they had to for her name to be listed. The other 2 names are teen girls in the car circling around the scene at the house and asked to leave.

I still find that odd for some reason. Many have given very good possible explanations but, I still find it odd they were out in the early morning hours in a town or area, with apparently nothing going on...my Mamma always said, nothing good happens after midnight!

Yes, how did he know to call LE? The family wasn’t notified til later.

 

[tiffkinsadder]

I'm sure LE surely has sent the recording to someone to see if it can be cleaned up or any background noise could be isolated. I certainly don't want to hear it either.

Also are we 100% sure what LE says is on that 911 call is really all that's on the call? Would they be completely honest about it if there was something awful?

Yes, the FBI cleaned up the audio, Working on it Fitzgerald said.

 

[BeeGirl]

What can they guess at, without a motive? It will be no more scientific than ours, imo.

I don’t know about you, but I’m a lawyer, not a forensic psychologist, so my guesses won’t be as good as theirs. They have much greater skill, knowledge, education, experience and training than mine in the areas of criminals’ mindsets, isolating motives, and utilizing statistics for similar crimes.

ETA: It is a fascinating field, but one I’m not intricately involved in. Apparently, just by analyzing how people are killed, a lot of times they can tell you the gender, age range, and profile what their social circle looks like.

 

[oceanblueeyes]

Thanks! I find this to be the most interesting part.

The sheriff told News 18 that in the month since the violence in the Closs home, the FBI has brought in a behavioral analyst to create a profile of the suspect.“The profilers were here, there was a behavioral analyst unit here on site working with the FBI,” Fitzgerald said. “Their analysis, because we don’t have a reason why this took place is pretty vague.”
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This is pretty cool; I can't wait to hear what they think.

So even a month later they have no clue who would have done this nor the motive for doing so either. That's why the profile is vague even for the experts.

This makes me go back to my early opinion and the murderer and who took Jayme has no familiar link with any of the three.

Sigh and those are the very hardest cases of all to solve.

Imo

 

[mama sleuth]

I don’t know about you, but I’m a lawyer, not a forensic psychologist, so my guesses won’t be as good as theirs. They have much greater skill, knowledge, education, experience and training than mine in the areas of criminals’ mindsets, isolating motives, and utilizing statistics for similar crimes.

AND "they" have ALL of the evidence - we don't.

 

[Cryptic]

I don’t know who lives three doors down from me
I know people come and go, but not really who lives there. And we live much closer.

I think they key concept is not even in "general terms".

For example, I don't know for absolute certainty sure who lives at a home three down from me either. Yet, I know in general terms it is an elderly couple and can identify them in a photo as "looking familiar". Likewise, I could tell the police that in all probability, though not absolutely, they don't have a teenage daughter living there.

In contrast, the neighbor in question evidently did not even know a teenage girl existed there. Not "Well, she looks familiar, but I don't know her name or how she is related.... ."

 

[Rainyday107]

I looked at my online scanner and it has parameters to set off alerts on your phone when X amount of people are listening. I then looked up Barron County and could not find any online scanners, only a Weather channel.


The system Barron County dispatch uses (according to their 2017 report) is
Conventional Voting Scan to automatically find the strongest frequency available, and they switched from E-dispatch to I Am Responding app on cell phones.

I'm not sure exactly what this means, but from what I gather they do not have a public scanner available to listen. I could very well be wrong, but that is what I have found thus far.

 

[photographer4]

There's another thing I've been thinking of since this happened and that's "has anyone checked the ATTIC of the house or the basement?" I presume law enforcement would have done this but it makes me wonder with all the excitement perhaps it may have been overlooked.

Paul Bernardo his video tapes inside ceiling tiles and officers never found them. I believe tapes were found bc Bernardo told lawyer where they were...

 

[photographer4]

Sorry. No idea what I did to my last reply. Hope this works. Looking closer it looks thicker. Almost like quilting batting people buy in a roll and use as snow to decorate at Christmas.
UPDATE: Sheriff: Missing girl was in home at the time of the murders

Interesting view. I wonder if that’s preserving blood spray from when James was shot? He appeared to be a big man. If someone shot him
In the head and had to aim upwards a bit to do so, or happened to hit on an upward angle, that sheet could be concealing / preserving splatter. I hated writing that out.

 

[Jhhb91]

Yes, the FBI cleaned up the audio, Working on it Fitzgerald said.

http://media.graytvinc.com/documents/barron+county+call+log.pdf

Page 6 shows where he called in at 9:40 am. I’m guessing their sister contacted him? One of the sister’s names is listed first on the log and must be the first family member contacted??
I found the log really interesting to read.

**so sorry! I managed to quote the wrong post /:

 

[BeeGirl]

So even a month later they have no clue who would have done this nor the motive for doing so either. That's why the profile is vague even for the experts.

This makes me go back to my early opinion and the murderer and who took Jayme has no familiar link with any of the three.

Sigh and those are the very hardest cases of all to solve.

Imo

It’s possible they’ve narrowed it down some, just not enough. As an example only (not fact!) they may have information that it is most likely a male between 25-40 who is such a good shot he is either an avid hunter or ex-military, but that still gives you a huge sample of people to dig through, so then, at least they have a place to begin narrowing down the pool by excluding certain people.

I feel split on whether it’s someone who knew them, had been watching them, or is unknown to them. I feel like this is a very bold crime for a stranger; anything he wanted may have been gotten by easier means elsewhere. (e.g., if he just wanted to be a kidnapper, he could probably find a kid to steal without having to break into a home and murder two people).

And I 100% agree with you that this is not going to be an easy one to solve.

 

[BlinkOfAnI]

Interesting view. I wonder if that’s preserving blood spray from when James was shot? He appeared to be a big man. If someone shot him
In the head and had to aim upwards a bit to do so, or happened to hit on an upward angle, that sheet could be concealing / preserving splatter. I hated writing that out.

I started wondering if it was covering something other then the entryway and door as well.

 

[aliensporebomb]

If they use something like Izotope RX to clean the audio I've heard that software package do darned near impossible things and clean up audio quite well - even if things sound terrible to begin with.

 

[photographer4]

Yes, how did he know to call LE? The family wasn’t notified til later.

LE notified casino. Staff maybe notified family?
LE notified school officer. He notified the brother?
LE attended the turkey plant. Word got around to the staff and a friend called the brother?
LE advises the aunt and she called her brother?

 

[Hoosier952]

Yes, how did he know to call LE? The family wasn’t notified til later.

Could he have been alerted by any of the first responders (to include LE, fire, EMTs, etc.) who would have heard on the scanner but not necessarily working on the scene? Could easily have a friend working for any of those types of places.

 

[Stunned]

The perp wasn't in the house that long according to LE

How do they know that??

 

[x_files]

I know the meth theory isn't a popular one but it is the only one that makes sense to me so far.

• Barron sheriff repeatedly speaks about the severity of the meth problem
• Meth's affect on the brain causing explosive, violent, motiveless, and unexplainable behavior.
• Meth related arrests so close to the Closs home. Anger or retaliation but wrong house? Many here have had a hard time finding it using the address and google maps. The shortness of time it took to kill 2 people and abduction/kidnapping of Jayme?
• And even though it experience may not make sense to others, I can't forget the cases I was involved on the court side. Some are almost like drive-thru murders or a shadow passing in the night. They were hard to solve. No connection to the victim. Random. Violent. No motive. None of the usual footprints left for LE to follow.
• JMO: the above could explain many of the unknowns in this case. Or not. In no way am I being flippant but this case is the 1st time that old mystery "guess who done" game comes to mind. Over and over again.

Even with those thoughts it is still just a hunch based on a few general facts. As far as age? I wouldn't be surprised at 15, 25, 40, or 70. Statistics place the age as older but this case doesn't fit with statistical info.

Addicts tried robbery the wrong house? Hoping they had drugs?
Then took Jayme rather than killing her?
It's all possible.

 

[Nerissa]

LE is theorizing they were not in the house very long by two factors:
1.) the 'commotion' on the 911 call suggests crime in progress
2.) they expect more DNA to have been left if perp(s) in house 20-25 minutes

Does not mean perps were not in the house for that long though....

 

[Jhhb91]

This all seems so random to me and the events surrounding the murder keep adding on and making it even more odd! Someone “busts” in and shoots 2 dead, takes a 13 year old, 911 call appears to not give much info. All 3 phones of the people living in the house accounted for. Whomever responsible happens to leave in the *exact* opposite direction of all LE responding. The car descriptions given covered quite a few options and then seemed to be dropped from consideration. The highway they live on must have some activity because two 17-18 girls are interested enough to drive by enough at 2 am on a Monday morning to be asked to leave. Then the seemingly quick Miami sighting of Jayme, which would require flying. Neighbors honestly have no clue what they “think” they heard. Other neighbor(s) later busted as “meth heads”. Put cameras up (?) panty raider creep rides his bike out there?? (My husband is still shaking his head at that one) No one seems to be able to give any information about the family that would lead in any direction.
It’s all just...odd, I don’t know how else to describe it. My ideas flip back and forth and I agree with everyone’s ideas posted on here every time I read a possible scenario.. odd!