AMBER ALERT WI - Jayme Closs, 13, Barron, missing after parents found shot, 15 Oct 2018 *endangered* #27

[human]

If the door was kicked in, it could have fallen on him in broken pieces.I was very surprised by the edge of the door that had broken off. He could have been under the door.

The door is kicked in, then they shoot him with multiple shots? That explains the casings that are there, visible right away?

 

[human]

Your family is way different from me being a single mom. My first instinct is to grab what can protect me and my child that late at night. The. Again my power company would actually call tho...to each their own.

How could the power company call you?

 

[MommaK43]

The neighbors were two football fields away. Measure on google. They didn’t hear half of what happened

 

[MommaK43]

If the door was kicked in, it could have fallen on him in broken pieces.I was very surprised by the edge of the door that had broken off. He could have been under the door.

The door is kicked in, then they shoot him with multiple shots? That explains the casings that are there, visible right away?

Nope, not if u kick at the knob. Kick latch/knob door swings free and on hinges

 

[Irmese]

Thank you for the file.

Question for all. Looking at the report, towards the bottom at 1:06:19am the report states both, “Advised the door has been kicked in. Advised that the male who is down had answered the door.” What are your thoughts? How do you interpret this?

I read it as the door was kicked in before LE arrived.

 

[Irmese]

How could the power company call you?

I've had the power company robo-call me after I reported a power outage to tell me they have repaired the line and ask if my power is back on.

 

[Oakland CA]

Is it possible the perp/perps were able to exercise caution and fire dummy shots to rouse the family before their assult?

Excellent question. Absolutely it was.

 

[Andreee]

Couple thoughts here... If all of James guns were locked up, I don’t think he would have grabbed one. Second, several nights ago we had storms on our town. We lost power for several hours, nighttime. Around 11PM someone came banging on our door. It was a weekend night, we were all still awake and in the living room. We did not think to get a weapon. We were startled. Husband jumped up and headed to the door. I grabbed my phone, unlocked it and followed. Kids peered around the corner. Husband spoke through the door and asked who it was. Turned out to just be the electric company and they were letting us know they would be in our backyard. Being startled like that though, stopping for a weapon never crossed our mind.

I just would not answer the door late at night at all. I would speak through the door if anything. Not all people have a gun to bring to the door anyways! Here in Canada it is not a 'thing' to have one in the home. Knowing me, I would probably shoot myself by mistake if I had one.

 

[Oakland CA]

Some absolutely would have a weapon handy. But many would not have immediate access. Hunting rifles/shotguns that are kept locked up are very much the norm in many homes.

Trusting can get you hurt. I was that way for a long time, not these days tho! Watch yourself!

Could also land you in prison for negligent homicide ..........when your 13yo daughter's friend she has over, finds the unsecured loaded weapon and, kills her.

 

[Scrapper18]

JMO...

LE log indicates first thought was suicide. Based on this, I think we could rule out James was shot through the door. If the door was riddled with bullets, I don’t think the 1st on scene would think suicide. MOO.

 

[MommaK43]

James is a big, athletic guy. If someone was at the door yelling about needing help right now because of an accident, I imagine he would not think much of it.

I took out my ex at 5’1, 110 on a good day. He was 300 lbs and 6’4. Height and weight mean NOTHING, during a confrontation. Like I said “fight or flight”

 

[Andreee]

Could also land you in prison for negligent homicide ..........when your 13yo daughter's friend she has over, finds the unsecured loaded weapon and, kills her.

Exactly.

 

[MommaK43]

JMO...

LE log indicates first thought was suicide. Based on this, I think we could rule out James was shot through the door. If the door was riddled with bullets, I don’t think the 1st on scene would think suicide. MOO.

Why the assumed suicide call tho, what gave them that idea?

 

[human]

Nope, not if u kick at the knob. Kick latch/knob door swings free and on hinges

There is a picture of the vertical crack of the door. It is several inches from the frame. It must have cracked all of the way as the rest of the door is not there

 

[MommaK43]

Exactly.

Depends on where u live!

 

[tiffkinsadder]

I did not find a quote that said he was home for sure?

I thought you were asking if it was established Denise Closs talked on the phone with her sister around 10 pm ish.

Here Fitzgerald says all were accounted for:

https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.fo...appearance-one-month-after-parents-murder.amp

 

[Scrapper18]

Why the assumed suicide call tho, what gave them that idea?

Only thing I can figure is either body position, wound location and/or blood splatter.

 

[Andreee]

Depends on where u live!

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[MommaK43]

How could the power company call you?

My address...power out...it’s really not hard and they have done before when hurricane nate hit last yr

 

[bizzle2]

Why the assumed suicide call tho, what gave them that idea?

The first officer on the scene called in that it was a possible suicide. Likely due to the fact that there was one person dead from a gunshot wound. These cops don't deal with homicides very often, but they have seen a number of suicides, so it would be the officer's natural reaction to call it in as a suicide. It was just an initial impression. It was changed to homicide after the officers were able to investigate further