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Something I guess I didn’t see from Monday.

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Also testifying last Monday was forensic Specialist Lisa Dimeo, a former San Diego County Sheriff's Department deputy and Crime Lab Analyst. In her testimony, she described inadequacies she noticed within the crime lab while she worked there in the '90s.

Dimeo said she doesn't believe any of the evidence was mishandled in this case, but she disagrees with the Sheriff Department's conclusion that Zahau's death was a suicide.

www.nbcsandiego.com/news/local/Rebecca-Zahau-Wrongful-Death-Lawsuit-Jonah-Shacknai-Testifies-Adam-Shacknai-Spreckels-Mansion-Suicide-Death-477656813
 
Does anyone know who will go first for closing arguments? TIA
 
Just saw a snippet of live testimony before break for lunch. Jonah was testifying to the “challenging”relationship between his oldest daughter and RZ. Said something to the extent that it wasn’t improving. Live feed.

AND, once again, in my opinion, because Jonah said...Jonah’s word, again.
 
So I'm curious about this idea that fingerprints are hard to transfer after a shower. I think that makes sense. HOWEVER, AS was running around. He was trying to hoist her up while standing on a broken table and talk to 911 all at the same time. He was panting on the 911 call. He would have been producing sweat, which means he would have been producing DNA and fingerprints. After all that, I think it is near impossible that he wouldn't leave anything behind in or on the ropes. He testified he cut her down so would have had to have touched the rope/knife. He testified that he loosened the very tight ropes around her wrists... (the ones LE said were loose and proved she tied herself up). He would have left residue all over Rebecca had he performed CPR (with hands tied and laying face down when LE found her?).

Therefore I believe that the shower is a red herring.

Hand washing is a factor that could leave little to no trace of dna. But as you explained, Adam was very busy, which would eliminate showering as a reason. In fact, based on the factors below and Adam’s activities outlined in your post, there are more reasons to believe there should have been at least some of Adam’s DNA left behind. Being there wasn’t, I conclude Adam had to be wearing gloves, IMO.



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Factors that can affect the amount of DNA available for transfer include:

Hand washing. If a person has not washed their hands recently, there tends to be more DNA present on the surface of the hands as washing will remove many of the shed cells on the surface of the hands.

Personal Habits. Some individuals tend to touch their face, eyes, nose, hair, etc. more often than others thus picking up DNA from those areas to be transferred onto the next thing that is touched. Wickenheiser (2002) described this process as “loading” the fingers with DNA.

Type of Contact. Goray et al (2010) demonstrated that factors such as pressure and friction can also relate to how much DNA is transferred onto a touched object. An increase in the amount of pressure applied tends to lead to an increase in the amount of DNA transferred and the application of friction to the contact increases the amount of DNA transferred even further.

Substrate. Rough surfaces (wood, concrete, grooved surfaces) tend to collect and retain skin cell DNA better than smooth surfaces. This is why the grip and trigger area of a gun, which are generally rougher, are swabbed for DNA while the smooth areas can be processed for latent prints.

Perspiration. As discussed earlier, sweat is known to increase the amount of DNA available for transfer. It is thought that this may occur for two reasons. First, as the sweat passes through a person’s pores and makes its way to the skin surface, it may collect cells along the way and wash them to the surface (Wickenheiser, 2002). Second, the previously mentioned study by Quinones and Daniel (2011) showed that sweat also contains epithelial cells and cell-free nucleic acids which represent additional DNA available for transfer to an object.

http://ryanforensicdna.com/touchdna/
 
I just find it unbelievable that the only televised testimony seems to be that of Adam and Jonah. I would at least hope they would televise closing arguments. It just seems to show MORE bias IMOO.
 
AND, once again, in my opinion, because Jonah said...Jonah’s word, again.

I thought that RZ’s family also stated that she felt disrespected by the older children and unsupported by JS.

His testimony would seem to just agree.
 
I thought that RZ’s family also stated that she felt disrespected by the older children and unsupported by JS.

His testimony would seem to just agree.

You’re correct. Jonah elaborated more and went into MUCH more detail. One objection was obviously pushing to get in the discussion of religion.

BTW - Hi stmarysmead :wave: I am absorbing the testimony!
 
Quoting myself to see if someone can answer, please?

Note to self: Ixnay on the facial fillers. Lordy.

Hey Imp :wave: on break, but still the defense questioning Jonah. No Greer, yet.
 
I think the plantiff's clearly made the case for murder. This was no suicide. Adam very clearly had something to do with it for this fact alone: his completely different accounts of what happened the very moment it happened. He is on the call with 911 saying he's doing all these crazy things which are highly doubtful. Within two hours, he's describing that to the cops as he did all of that, THEN called 911. Then, he tries to cover his tracks with, "if not before." It is absolutely not possible to not know if you are on the phone with 911 when you cut that body down (holding her in one hand, a knife in the other, on a 3-legged table). His 911 call in its own right is indicative of all the characteristics which would suggest he was involved in the crime--he's not asking someone to hurry & help, he adds spurious information, such as: I jus woke up. But combined with the story discrepancies removes any doubt for me of his involvement.

Also, he cannot give real chest compressions with her hands tied behind her back. He's LYING. He is also lying about how well he knows those knots & when you add that to contradicting himself that morning, he is definitively a participant in this crime. Could other people have ALSO participated? Maybe. Could other people have asked him to do it? Maybe. But, for all the emphasis on how cooperative he was, the guy could not get his story straight.

Unfortunately, the statement where he totally contradicts what he says he's doing that morning (highly damning) may not have gotten in front of jury. I was hoping/waiting for Lezah's recap of the direct questioning of Adam, but I haven't heard it mentioned. I am wondering, then, if this questioning which took place directly before the polygraph, is not being allowed it in, even though it wasn't part of the actual polygraph. If not, there SHOULD be recorded detective interrogations which would similarly show inconsistencies, but who knows with this LE team ...

The family wants, more than anything, justice for Rebecca. That means a REAL investigation into what happened to her. I think a victory in this courtroom would be some consolation because it would be a jury saying Rebecca didn't commit suicide like that--what a horrible thing for the family to have to bear: this violent crime scene & cops saying: "Meh, she just wasn't happy, you know." Even if this stood as split forever (suicide with LE and civil responsibility for AS), which would not be ideal outcome, they were still able to highlight the investigation's glaring holes and get truth outside of the corrupted SDSO.

No--they are not in it for money. It is expensive & time consuming to fight as hard as they have all this time. You HAVE to ask for damages, that is the point of a civil trial, but asking for (and even being awarded) $10m doesn't mean you'll GET $10m. They are very aware there is no $ with AS. It just means that Adam would have to pay a little bit out of any money he brings in as a reminder of what he did & also any windfall would at least be tapped. No money is going to bring back Rebecca, they really just want some truth to come out. I think the SDSO case was torn apart in cross of the lead detective. If the media reported on that honestly (instead of just saying but there was no DNA over & over), that alone would be some amount of a victory for this long-suffering family.

Adam does have some type of insurance policy that will pay out if he's found guilty, but I don't know how much coverage he has.
 
And you know this how? Any links? Verify as insider?

Unless you have links to substantiate he is by all appearances not accomplished in any notable fashion. Probably have a million or more who earn degrees in US every year. Lots work too.

His work certifications are suitable for any high school graduate to complete as linked.
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You must have missed his live streamed testimony under oath. He talked about these certifications and completing his degree. The links to his testimony are upthread.
 
You&#8217;re correct. Jonah elaborated more and went into MUCH more detail. One objection was obviously pushing to get in the discussion of religion.

BTW - Hi stmarysmead :wave: I am absorbing the testimony!

But don&#8217;t you think it is important for the jury to know she was not religious like her family believed? I sure do.
 
Hey Imp :wave: on break, but still the defense questioning Jonah. No Greer, yet.

Thanks, *Lash*!!

I could only stand about a minute because the creep factor is Off.The.Charts. But it sounds like they're building to something having to do with Rebecca's state of mind.
 
Or he wasn't wearing gloves initially but then thought he'd better find some and went around wiping down the places he'd touched earlier.

This and/or may have had difficulty doing certain things with the gloves. Maybe the paint tube didn't squeeze easily & he had to remove? Maybe the door knob would not turn and he took off the glove and used the drier sheet to turn it instead. Was Rebecca doing laundry in the guest bedroom? Drier sheets are known for wiping fingerprints and hair (usually pet hair, in common household use). Or, right, as you say, maybe his first couple actions were more spur of the moment, then he put gloves on but had to wipe down a few items he touched. Maybe there was more to the crime scene in other areas, since LE neglected all but that room. Point being, nothing about the DNA evidence means Adam couldn't have been there. That is one of the PRIME considerations for LE to say why it was suicide. That is just dumb. Their own experts are stating many ways DNA might not be left or might degrade. The proof of his involvement is in other pieces of the evidence, but the absence of his fingerprints does NOT absolve him -- as SDSO purports.
 
But don’t you think it is important for the jury to know she was not religious like her family believed? I sure do.

Absolutely, IF it is the truth. Since Rebecca cannot speak for herself, I guess we have to choose who we believe is telling the truth, right?
 
But don&#8217;t you think it is important for the jury to know she was not religious like her family believed? I sure do.

I agree. Much has been made of the fact that RZ would not commit suicide because her religion forbids it. Her religion forbids adultery...according to her ex-husband&#8217;s testimony, she had numerous affairs. She was in her late twenties...not a teenager...when she stole $1000 worth of jewelry. That is also contrary to her professed faith.

These are the type of arguments that actually undermine the case for the plaintiff...because they are patently untrue. Argue for murder but don&#8217;t use false arguments to undercut suicide. The truth doesn&#8217;t need to be propped up with misstatements like this. Did the family not know of the affairs and theft?
 
As they say, absence of evidence is not evidence of absence. Surely the detectives don't need to be told that.
 
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