2010.05.06 Budget Hearing

[Anais]

I think Baez was all Pizzey with the reporters after the court hearing because he has gotten himself in to "a fine mess". He reported that all of his experts had completed at least 50% of their reviews, with the exception of Barrett who he claimed has done 60%. He knows darn well he lied and now how the heck is he going to get this done in the time alloted and on the schedule required.

Giggle.

Either get it done or not be caught in the lie by the dude from JAC or Judge Perry. Which do you suppose is going to come first?! I tell you that guy from the JAC does not like Baez and will be all over his stuff...got a feeling about it and it aint a good one. :nono:

 

[manatee]

I think Baez was all Pizzey with the reporters after the court hearing because he has gotten himself in to "a fine mess". He reported that all of his experts had completed at least 50% of their reviews, with the exception of Barrett who he claimed has done 60%. He knows darn well he lied and now how the heck is he going to get this done in the time alloted and on the schedule required.

Giggle.

Great points! he is backing himself into a corner...this will be fun to watch.

 

[Anais]

I totally understand and appreciate what you are saying.
My thoughts were going in a different direction, let's just say that if the bloggers and forums begin stating that "JP knows Casey is guilty," there could be some big problems on the horizon.

No I sincerely doubt that. He said absolutely nothing not even remotely close to that! He simply stated "if the defendant were found guilty"...it's a far cry from GUILTY! This Judge is one extremely smart, professional man who would never, ever take such a risk. JMO

 

[manatee]

I totally understand and appreciate what you are saying.
My thoughts were going in a different direction, let's just say that if the bloggers and forums begin stating that "JP knows Casey is guilty," there could be some big problems on the horizon.

I don't think he "knows" she is guilty but I'm willing to bet that based on all of the cases he has seen, he can make a pretty good educated prediction how this may turn out based on the evidence. that's all, I'm sure.

 

[rotterdam]

First I am very grateful for the wonderful reporting by WS's on this budget hearing since I am on dial up and basic cable.
I do have some questions. Why is the mitigation expert so important. After all JB has stated multiple times that KC is innocent and he has the proof.
This frugal judge treats taxpayers' money like it is his own money IMO.
The "out of a state experts", even if celebrity status experts, do get paid a standard rate as established by JAC, same if they would have been more obscure local experts. That is the way I understand it. With video conferencing, this cost to taxpayers would be the same? Celebrity/famous experts would not paid the type of honorarium, they are usually accustomed to. They can recoup in paid interviews/books though.
So far Judge Perry has not vacated any previous ruling as issued by Judge Strickland as far as I can determine.

 

[suepitzl]

Love Judge BP, NEXT................

 

[logicalgirl]

Either get it done or not be caught in the lie by the dude from JAC or Judge Perry. Which do you suppose is going to come first?! I tell you that guy from the JAC does not like Baez and will be all over his stuff...got a feeling about it and it aint a good one. :nono:

Agree and I think the question is - can you really hurry up an expert? Mmmm - I doubt it.

 

[logicalgirl]

First I am very grateful for the wonderful reporting by WS's on this budget hearing since I am on dial up and basic cable.
I do have some questions. Why is the mitigation expert so important. After all JB has stated multiple times that KC is innocent and he has the proof.
This frugal judge treats taxpayers' money like it is his own money IMO.
The "out of a state experts", even if celebrity status experts, do get paid a standard rate as established by JAC, same if they would have been more obscure local experts. That is the way I understand it. With video conferencing, this cost to taxpayers would be the same? Celebrity/famous experts would not paid the type of honorarium, they are usually accustomed to. They can recoup in paid interviews/books though.
So far Judge Perry has not vacated any previous ruling as issued by Judge Strickland as far as I can determine.

They do rotterdam, but I think JBP is thinking it will first of all just get it done. There will be no travel or hotel expenses involved either, which from out of state experts could really add up - in money as well as time. IMO

 

[Turnadot]

First I am very grateful for the wonderful reporting by WS's on this budget hearing since I am on dial up and basic cable.
I do have some questions. Why is the mitigation expert so important. After all JB has stated multiple times that KC is innocent and he has the proof.
This frugal judge treats taxpayers' money like it is his own money IMO.
The "out of a state experts", even if celebrity status experts, do get paid a standard rate as established by JAC, same if they would have been more obscure local experts. That is the way I understand it. With video conferencing, this cost to taxpayers would be the same? Celebrity/famous experts would not paid the type of honorarium, they are usually accustomed to. They can recoup in paid interviews/books though.
So far Judge Perry has not vacated any previous ruling as issued by Judge Strickland as far as I can determine.

BBM

Has he actually said this? If so, why in God's name is he allowing KC to sit in jail these years. Show the proof so she can go home and LE can get on with catching that baby's murderer. Also if he has proof, why isn't KC screaming out for someone to force JB's hand so they can find her precious baby's murderer? JB is full of it!

 

[Anais]

Agree and I think the question is - can you really hurry up an expert? Mmmm - I doubt it.

No there is no hurrying an expert for sure! But something else just occurred to me I recall SA also stating to be of assistance to JAC and Judge Perry regarding this issue of the expert witnesses and I think that she's on to Baez fibs..that is why she made the point more than once of having not yet received the witness lists for experts etc.!!! Kind of giving JAC and JP a hint!!!

 

[manatee]

They do rotterdam, but I think JBP is thinking it will first of all just get it done. There will be no travel or hotel expenses involved either, which from out of state experts could really add up - in money as well as time. IMO

Sometimes I think that the best thing for a fair trial for Caylee may be if we & the media stop giving any attention to this case. Then all of these "experts" and high profile attorneys would jump ship and KC will be left with only JB. that may still happen if they drag this case for years and years. another better case may show up on the scene.:twocents:

 

[sumbunny]

They do rotterdam, but I think JBP is thinking it will first of all just get it done. There will be no travel or hotel expenses involved either, which from out of state experts could really add up - in money as well as time. IMO

I do believe JP stated that there are limited funds alloted for travel, travel time, and budget hotel stays, also even car rentals.

 

[rotterdam]

Yes, I hope that's right. I have to go back and look at it. It seemed to me to be more to it than that. But I do hope I'm reading too much into it. that would stink! I'm glad you did not see that way.

JP , I think , has a professional respect for CM. It is undoubtedly reciprocating.
JB still has to earn that and doubt if he ever will.

 

[Turnadot]

I watched the hearing but am no good at posting and listening at the same time so I have a couple of after thoughts I would like to ask others their opinions of.

First the way JP keep bringing up that this being a DP case when he agreed to things. During the first hearing I thought he brought up the DP so much as he was trying to stress the seriousness of the charges to KC but today I got a different impression. Today I got the impression that he was almost admonishing the SA for seeking the DP on this case each time he said it.

Second when they was discussing the need for a cell phone expert and the pings. It almost sounded like JP was saying that testimony may not even be permissible as you couldn't prove who was in possession of the phone.

Please tell me I am wrong on both accounts and that it was just me today after trying to watch such a long hearing with only a little sleep last night.

I respect your take on this, but I disagree. JP has handed down the death penalty before, and to a woman no less. I don't think he was admonishing the SA at all; at least it didn't come across that way to me while viewing the hearing today, imo.

 

[beach]

CM has lead a criminal trial before JBP before - a death penalty case. I believe he lost.

Correct. I have been told over and over that Mason has only appeared before Judge Perry ONE time. I know because I found that surprising considering how many years Mason has been practicing in Orlando and JP has been on the bench. I would have figured it would have been more often than just once.

The only reason Judge Perry brought up Cheney Mason AT ALL was to point out to JB that he has a very fine co-counsel with YEARS of experience who could help him during voir dire. He said that right before he denied his request for state funding in re. a jury consultant. Judge Perry asked LDB if the State was going to have a consultant and she responded that fellow SA's Mr. Ashton and Mr. George would be serving as her consultants. Basically, JP was advising Mr. Baez that he would be doing the same.

I found the request ridiculous anyway. I immediately thought, "The audacity!!!" A jury consultant is a luxury and not being afforded one in no way threatens Casey Anthony's right to due process of law. If JB thought it was all THAT important, he should have s retained one before blowing through almost $300K.

 

[Turnadot]

My take on JP's comments about Cheney Mason was just healthy respect. Nothing more; nothing less. It didn't bother me in the slightest to hear it. At least KC has someone competent on her team aside from AL.

 

[eaglemom]

I am on the West Coast and just got a chance to watch this hearing. I was surprised by several things:

1. The silence of CM for a majority of the hearing - actually the fact that CM wasn't there for the start of the hearing and came in and out. Especially considering he was speaking on the State Response in Writing to motions.

2. The patience of JP when dealing with Baez and his passive aggressive attempts at getting things into the court record. One of which was him 'attempting to contact JAC before court and being told to contact them by email' - which was his excuse for not having JAC prepared for the hearing.

3. The fact that defense didn't get off their buns and buy the cars when they had 340,000 to do their testing. They have had the info from the Oakridge labs for a long while.

4. JP's comment and actually being baited into the 'conversation' with JB on cell phone useage in the case.

5. The patience and silence of the state on all of the speculation JB did during this hearing on their case.

6. I kind of felt sorry for the JAC rep since every time he objected - he got overruled because of the 'death' issue.

7. The fact that JB and his defense team know not a single 'expert' in the state of Florida. They had to realize at some point they would run out of money and it would come down to this. I can't imagine what they were thinking other than 'we will do it all 'in camera'"......

8. It bothers me how CM has the 'good ol' boy attitude towards JP - no 'your honor' in his delivery maybe because JP patted him on the back earlier. At one point he even turns his back on JP and walks away before finishing speaking to JP and SITS while the JP is addressing him

9. I love that JP is setting 'discovery' cutoffs so JB can no longer claim that his experts have been unable to have access to the OCSO evidence

10. JB pushing to be paid for travel - and wanting to bring it BACK up to the court even though denied now

11. JP doesn't like jury questionairres.......lol

It was rather amusing to see them backtrack into 'days of old' when the attorneys where talking over each other, addressing each other directly and JB gave up on 'your honor' and was back to 'judge' during the whole taphonomy discussion. (and see JP rein them in)

I think I want to become a mitigation expert when I <grow up>.... really like 700 hours on 1 case? interviewing people around the country at $50 an hour (or $40) and those are bargain basement rates...

MOO

 

[mitzi]

OhO, Baez now saying "novel science" usually he says "junk science" doesn't he?

Was trying not to comment too much until I am caught up, but had to just say...suddenly, JB is politically correct? LOL! What a farce!

Gotta love Judge P!

 

[Intermezzo]

I watched the hearing but am no good at posting and listening at the same time so I have a couple of after thoughts I would like to ask others their opinions of.

First the way JP keep bringing up that this being a DP case when he agreed to things. During the first hearing I thought he brought up the DP so much as he was trying to stress the seriousness of the charges to KC but today I got a different impression. Today I got the impression that he was almost admonishing the SA for seeking the DP on this case each time he said it.
Second when they was discussing the need for a cell phone expert and the pings. It almost sounded like JP was saying that testimony may not even be permissible as you couldn't prove who was in possession of the phone.

Please tell me I am wrong on both accounts and that it was just me today after trying to watch such a long hearing with only a little sleep last night.

I didn't get that impression at all.
I thought he was pointing out he did understand and knows a DP case is not like other Cases.

 

[whiteangora]

No I sincerely doubt that. He said absolutely nothing not even remotely close to that! He simply stated "if the defendant were found guilty"...it's a far cry from GUILTY! This Judge is one extremely smart, professional man who would never, ever take such a risk. JMO

Not trying to beat a dead horse, and this will be my last comment on the subject. I was only responding to the poster that said JP believes Casey is guilty. Nothing more, nothing less.