2010.05.06 Budget Hearing

[countzero]

just want to know when we get to see those four motions CM told the Judge he filed this morning and again told KB after the hearing. He claimed only the court clerk was given them.

MM ....... where are thou!!!!!!!

 

[logicalgirl]

I don't think he "knows" she is guilty but I'm willing to bet that based on all of the cases he has seen, he can make a pretty good educated prediction how this may turn out based on the evidence. that's all, I'm sure.

Thanks Manatee, WhiteAngora was talking about a post of mine that I think I probably didn't express myself as well as I should have. You've said it much better.

 

[logicalgirl]

Not trying to beat a dead horse, and this will be my last comment on the subject. I was only responding the the poster that said JP believes Casey is guilty. Nothing more, nothing less.

Hi whiteangora, I think your fears were well founded, but primarily because I didn't express myself as I should have and I apologize if you were upset with my post.
Manatee has actually said it better. Hope that is helpful, because I knew why you posted back what you did. Turned around I probably would have done the same.

Oh dear did that make sense? Can you tell my dyslexia really swings into action when I get "excited" about something. Sheesh!

 

[logicalgirl]

Correct. I have been told over and over that Mason has only appeared before Judge Perry ONE time. I know because I found that surprising considering how many years Mason has been practicing in Orlando and JP has been on the bench. I would have figured it would have been more often than just once.

The only reason Judge Perry brought up Cheney Mason AT ALL was to point out to JB that he has a very fine co-counsel with YEARS of experience who could help him during voir dire. He said that right before he denied his request for state funding in re. a jury consultant. Judge Perry asked LDB if the State was going to have a consultant and she responded that fellow SA's Mr. Ashton and Mr. George would be serving as her consultants. Basically, JP was advising Mr. Baez that he would be doing the same.

I found the request ridiculous anyway. I immediately thought, "The audacity!!!" A jury consultant is a luxury and not being afforded one in no way threatens Casey Anthony's right to due process of law. If JB thought it was all THAT important, he should have s retained one before blowing through almost $300K.

Umm, clearly JB didn't take the time to read the JAC "rule book". It says quite clearly there that such luxuries are not funded.

 

[TotallyObsessed]

I watched/listened to the hearing today, but was working so I think I only posted one comment during the hearing. I am home now, so have more time.

IMHO, the Judge was magnificent today. He has TOTAL control of that courtroom. He will not put up with ANY CRAP...from either side. He seems to be incredibly fair, plays by the rules, and lets the law RULE. He is decisive. He does not have trouble making rulings directly from the bench (which is good because it moves this bottleneck along). I think he is ever mindful of this being a dp case, and yes, it is a horse of a different color. He is trying to circumvent any possible appeal related issues. YES, there will be an appeal, but JBP is doing everything by the book. Hence, his denial of JB's motion to let the princess sit in her cell and eat cheetos and jalapeno dip.

Cheney Mason has a very different courtroom "schtick". All lawyers have their style. CM has been in the business enough that he does not try to dazzle a courtroom with his smarts (which he evidently has). He does that in his legal filings. IMHO he has let JB stay on as front man in name only. He has evidently schooled JB on courtroom etiquette and I will give it to JB today. He held his own.

That said, the state has their ducks in a row. They have for almost 2 years now. They are ready to rumble.

It's going to be fun!

 

[Lanie]

Umm, clearly JB didn't take the time to read the JAC "rule book". It says quite clearly there that such luxuries are not funded.

JB didn't read something that pertains to the motion hearing? Shocking.:crazy::crazy:

Anyway, for some strange reason, this reminded me of TES and some of the things said in this hearing today.

Did anyone get the impression JB plans on trying to track down, interview, and do background checks on all 4000 TES volunteers?

 

[eaglemom]

Umm, clearly JB didn't take the time to read the JAC "rule book". It says quite clearly there that such luxuries are not funded.

I believe JB's excuse for asking for these items was "my mother always told me if I didn't ask..."

and you are correct because once again when JB attempted to contact JAC they 'refused to talk to him. they wanted all contact on a high profile case to be through email". Not a direct quote but that was his excuse for the JAC rep not being well versed in the case when JP had ordered JB to contact JAC pre-hearing......and to JB that is all the effort he had to make - actually reading and referring to a JAC "rule book" - (ha)!

MOO

 

[whiteangora]

Hi whiteangora, I think your fears were well founded, but primarily because I didn't express myself as I should have and I apologize if you were upset with my post.
Manatee has actually said it better. Hope that is helpful, because I knew why you posted back what you did. Turned around I probably would have done the same.

Oh dear did that make sense? Can you tell my dyslexia really swings into action when I get "excited" about something. Sheesh!

You make perfect sense. Ever since the fiasco with MD and Judge Strickland, I am very apprehensive about what is being put 'out there'. No hard feelings, I enjoy your informative posts.

 

[Woe.be.gone]

http://www.ap-ls.org/publications/newsletters/fall98.pdf

The Newsletter linked above is interesting as a whole and I'm wondering about the "important" role that Jean Barrett will play in the case.
Please see pdf page 39 of 44.

In the middle row on page 39 there is a presentation/publication listed entitled,
Role of the Forensic Psychologist in Death Penalty Mitigation - DR, JB & AG: Saturday, January 23rd
Does this hint to the direction the Defense is taking?

Another JB, oh no!

 

[eaglemom]

Did anyone get the impression JB plans on trying to track down, interview, and do background checks on all 4000 TES volunteers?

snipped with respect

Yes I got the same impression when JB was asking for the out of state investigator hours. He even started to go off on the TES tangent once again.. I would really like to see that motion re: MJ and TES

MOO

 

[thedeviledadvocate]

IMHO Judge Perry has an outstanding reputation. His first appearance confirmed why he has an outstanding reputation, and todays hearing solidified that confirmation. He is an outstanding judge. He is fair, and has a no nonsense approach, and definitely likes to keep things moving along (NEXT!), (I’m ready to rule on this). I like this judge, and I now actually believe, if this goes to trial, it will go to trial by the middle of next year.

 

[Anais]

Not trying to beat a dead horse, and this will be my last comment on the subject. I was only responding to the poster that said JP believes Casey is guilty. Nothing more, nothing less.

I am sorry if I have offended or upset you. In any case I do respect every poster's opinions even when I disagree. I was just trying to say that even if Judge Perry thinks that she is guilty he will not allow his personal opinion to interfere with his rule of the trial. Does that make sense. I guess there was just a flurry of posts and it got me going...

 

[beach]

Did anyone get the impression JB plans on trying to track down, interview, and do background checks on all 4000 TES volunteers?

Oh, yeah. You mean the red herring fishing expedition. Baez has been trying so hard for a seat on that boat now, it is beyond old. Mark NeJame isn't taking any reservations.

Every.single. hearing. - he can't help himself. He even slipped up again today. He is so persistent, it leaves ya with the feeling that if that attempt bombs, the defense is out of ideas.


My money is on MN.

 

[Anais]

I believe JB's excuse for asking for these items was "my mother always told me if I didn't ask..."

and you are correct because once again when JB attempted to contact JAC they 'refused to talk to him. they wanted all contact on a high profile case to be through email". Not a direct quote but that was his excuse for the JAC rep not being well versed in the case when JP had ordered JB to contact JAC pre-hearing......and to JB that is all the effort he had to make - actually reading and referring to a JAC "rule book" - (ha)!

MOO

One thing that I noticed of Jose Baez a very long time ago is that he is a procrastinator, and he is always putting the blame on somebody else. He will put a spin on anything and everything as well as turn anything around to deflect from himself and his very own incapabilities, inconsistencies & hypocrisies etc. He is outright a liar and I've caught him lots now!

Of course I knew today it would be the fault of the JAC for nothing having been accomplished. However Judge Perry, JAC dude and SAO all see right through JB. I have a feeling that JB is going to get schooled in court. I also have an inkling that he will learn exactly what Judge Perry meant by "horse of a different color" and it won't please him! :nono:

He always wants his cake and then expects to eat it too long before the dinner course has arrived!

 

[heatherhope]

JB didn't read something that pertains to the motion hearing? Shocking.:crazy::crazy:

Anyway, for some strange reason, this reminded me of TES and some of the things said in this hearing today.

Did anyone get the impression JB plans on trying to track down, interview, and do background checks on all 4000 TES volunteers?

This is a lawyer boom if this happens - can you imagine how many employed lawyers there will be in this case? And if any of them are put on the stand how many lawyers there will be in the courtroom? There will be no spectators in the courtroom, it will only be laywers and press!

 

[heatherhope]

IMHO Judge Perry has an outstanding reputation. His first appearance confirmed why he has an outstanding reputation, and todays hearing solidified that confirmation. He is an outstanding judge. He is fair, and has a no nonsense approach, and definitely likes to keep things moving along (NEXT!), (I’m ready to rule on this). I like this judge, and I now actually believe, if this goes to trial, it will go to trial by the middle of next year.

Judge Perry comes prepared. He cited case law, he has his paralegals working overtime to make sure every stone is uncovered and every i is dotted, there will be no getting over on this judge and your right he proved that today. No messing around, get to the point, argue what you need to argue, no harrassing the other side and that goes to both the state and the defense, tho today he only had to get Baez to stop. I'm glad Ashton had his temper in check.

 

[Anais]

This is a lawyer boom if this happens - can you imagine how many employed lawyers there will be in this case? And if any of them are put on the stand how many lawyers there will be in the courtroom? There will be no spectators in the courtroom, it will only be laywers and press!

I know the defense continues to beat on this dead horse but I really do not see his honor changing Judge S.'s ruling on this unless they have some really clear, see through and convincing evidence as to why they should get it! Yes that would be payday for atty.'s no doubt though.

Yes Mr. Baez you are going to learn what "a horse of a different color" means.

 

[Anais]

Judge Perry comes prepared. He cited case law, he has his paralegals working overtime to make sure every stone is uncovered and every i is dotted, there will be no getting over on this judge and your right he proved that today. No messing around, get to the point, argue what you need to argue, no harrassing the other side and that goes to both the state and the defense, tho today he only had to get Baez to stop. I'm glad Ashton had his temper in check.

BBM

Yes me too! I noticed that Jose took some swipes at the SAO's a couple of times and was waiting and watching with abated breathe. But he kept it all in check even with the baiting and he was really trying to bait him all the way.

 

[heatherhope]

http://www.ap-ls.org/publications/newsletters/fall98.pdf

The Newsletter linked above is interesting as a whole and I'm wondering about the "important" role that Jean Barrett will play in the case.
Please see pdf page 39 of 44.

In the middle row on page 39 there is a presentation/publication listed entitled,
Role of the Forensic Psychologist in Death Penalty Mitigation - DR, JB & AG: Saturday, January 23rd
Does this hint to the direction the Defense is taking?

Another JB, oh no!

Wait, does this mean they are anticipating a guilty verdict and maybe even the DP??? Or are they just covering their bases.....cause I can understand having a mitigation specialist when the trial starts OR to help defend Casey to the not guilty outcome. Color me confused:waitasec:

 

[rotterdam]

JB didn't read something that pertains to the motion hearing? Shocking.:crazy::crazy:

Anyway, for some strange reason, this reminded me of TES and some of the things said in this hearing today.

Did anyone get the impression JB plans on trying to track down, interview, and do background checks on all 4000 TES volunteers?

If JB does , bet it will on his own dime. This judge keeps the purse strings tied on stuff not relevant to the case unless demonstrated as necessary.