2010.09.07 - Ron talking to LE per AH on JVM

[Melanie]

HUH? Didn't mr RC say earlier "this isn't about no d*m gun".

Confoosed!

Mel

 

[twall]

If Ron and Misty were communicating via text messages 70 plus times how was that possible when we have been led to believe Misty's phone was off from 8:30 pm-3:15ish am?

 

[Emeralgem]

It's possible he claimed to be at his own home because it made the story more believable since he lived just around the corner. That's more convincing than saying he got up and drove 3.5 miles to check on his sister.

Since we have learned Ron didn't call Tommy at Tommy's house to check up on Misty, ever thought Ron called Tommy's parents house because Ron knew they were ALL there cleaning up evidence pertaining to what had happened to Haleigh?

 

[Emeralgem]

bolded by me..

That is a very good point you are making...

IF...there was nothing ...going on/nothing incriminating/.....why would Tommy care that he took Ron's phone call at his own parents house that night...other than just saying he was mistaken where he was when he spoke to Ron on the phone...

You are correct...he sure is trying to remove himself....Did something happen over there????...many questions..too few answers..believeable answers

I suspect something terrible happened over there and it happened to Haleigh before Ron C was told to hightail it in to work so he would have an alibi too..
But Ron still had to direct the show....I suspect he had some help too from his mother/grandmother/uncle.....

 

[Donjeta]

Hi Mew!

Just to reinerate: Ron's statements need to be vetted, ie., by answering the RIGHT questions while hooked up to a poly. Any other way is totally BS. If LE comes up and say that "John" is vouching for Ron's answers, I'm going to puke.:sick:

Hmm. Didn't he say that he passed a LDT with flying colors way back in the beginning? Now he's apparently admitted that he has lied about what happened. So, did he lie about passing the earlier LDT or did he pass it while lying through his teeth? Did LE screw up asking him only easy questions that he could answer truthfully?

Either way he's a liar. SHAME on him, whatever it was that was more important than finding out what happened to his only daughter.

Since we have learned Ron didn't call Tommy at Tommy's house to check up on Misty, ever thought Ron called Tommy's parents house because Ron knew they were ALL there cleaning up evidence pertaining to what had happened to Haleigh?

Good point.
I'm back to wondering if Tommy ever went to the MH at all. If something happened to Haleigh at Tommy's parents' house and that's where he was when RC called him, what was the motivation to go to the MH?

Was the Croslin residence ever searched? They moved outta there pretty quick.

 

[tehcloser]

As for LE and the phone records, didn't they say early on that there was a "technical problem in retrieving them" and they hoped it could be worked out? I thought it was BS at the time....still do.

 

[bessie]

As for LE and the phone records, didn't they say early on that there was a "technical problem in retrieving them" and they hoped it could be worked out? I thought it was BS at the time....still do.

They did, teh. See my post at 140. Why do you think it's BS?

 

[bessie]

Since we have learned Ron didn't call Tommy at Tommy's house to check up on Misty, ever thought Ron called Tommy's parents house because Ron knew they were ALL there cleaning up evidence pertaining to what had happened to Haleigh?

Sure, Em, now that we've heard Tommy was at the Magnolia St. house (official confirmation pending ). The question was why would Tommy lie and say he was at his own home rather than just say he was at his parents' home when he received Ron's call. I was simply trying consider all of the possibilities. Another one is that he was trying to place himself somewhere other than Magnolia St. if something were going on there between say, 8-11-ish.

 

[LoveEndsWar]

Tommy would lie if there was evidence of a crime over there on Magnolia so that it would not be searched.

 

[bessie]

I'm back to wondering if Tommy ever went to the MH at all. If something happened to Haleigh at Tommy's parents' house and that's where he was when RC called him, what was the motivation to go to the MH?

Was the Croslin residence ever searched? They moved outta there pretty quick.

In April, Tommy admitted that he lied about going to the MH. If Haleigh died at his parents' house, or she was taken there afterward, Tommy might have been trying place himself somewhere else. So, he told LE he was at home that evening and then walked over to Green Ln around 10.

 

[my_tee_mouse]

Didn't he just say a month or so ago that he DOESN'T believe it was over a gun??? :banghead:

Yeah, he's been preventing an answer to his own daughter's disappearance. I have no words.

Conceding that there was a fight over a gun and thinking that his daughter's disappearance was the result of a fight over a gun are two different things.

 

[tehcloser]

They did, teh. See my post at 140. Why do you think it's BS?

Bessie... I remember at the time thinking you've got to be kidding me, you can't even get the phone calls sorted out. I mean it really should have been a simple process. It usually is. Now, I wonder what all was in the texts that needs to be hid...perhaps some peeps were named that LE sure does not want to be public knowledge? Hint Hint...aaachhhooomerchant. :angel:

 

[bessie]

Conceding that there was a fight over a gun and thinking that his daughter's disappearance was the result of a fight over a gun are two different things.

That's what I've thought all along. The fight over the gun did take place, but it had nothing to do with Haleigh. Therefore, it was a can of worms Ron didn't want opened. Nevertheless, it was opened when Tommy and Misty came up with their Joe-did-it story. So, now Ron has no choice but to come clean about it, and possibly buy himself a pass on any gun-related charges by clearing up the story.

 

[bessie]

Bessie... I remember at the time thinking you've got to be kidding me, you can't even get the phone calls sorted out. I mean it really should have been a simple process. It usually is. Now, I wonder what all was in the texts that needs to be hid...perhaps some peeps were named that LE sure does not want to be public knowledge? Hint Hint...aaachhhooomerchant. :angel:

LOL How did I know you were going to say that? I'm not sold on that theory, but I don't think it's beyond the realm of possibility.

 

[tehcloser]

I can't halp it Bessie...I'm stuck there. Stuck I tell ya!

 

[LiveLaughLuv]

Ron believes Misty is the key, just like LE does. He concedes there was a fight over a gun. We are waiting until sentencing on September 24th to get more information, per AH.

There is no new information JVM had tonight other than phone calls mixed in with text messages...I've said it from the start, when someone is so adamant a fight didn't occur, it probably did...why has he waited 19 months to tell what he knew? This is his child and he backed MC from the start...with his ingenious, keep you friends close but your enemies closer...BS! No one should get any immunity....

RON CUMMINGS, FATHER OF HALEIGH CUMMINGS: Hello?

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: OK, sir, let me talk to your wife. Let me get some information from her.

CUMMINGS: (UNINTELLIGIBLE)

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: Can I talk to her? OK.

CUMMINGS: How the (EXPLETIVE DELETED) did you let my daughter get stolen, (EXPLETIVE DELETED)?

(END VIDEO CLIP)

VELEZ-MITCHELL: Breaking news in the baffling and heartbreaking Haleigh Cummings mystery. Is Haleigh`s dad, Ron, giving cops new and possibly incriminating information about ex-wife Misty, the tight-lipped teen who was watching over Haleigh the night she vanished?

(BEGIN VIDEO CLIP)

CUMMINGS: I just want my child back.

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: We want somebody to see her, to find her.

CUMMINGS: I want my child back so bad. I will give them everything I own.

(END VIDEO CLIP)

VELEZ-MITCHELL: That same man you see there weeping, Ron, now a year and a half or more after his daughter disappeared, is now finally giving police useful information about the timeline of that fateful night.

Could Ron be throwing cold water on Misty`s story that Haleigh was violently snatched from the family trailer? All over a semiautomatic rifle that someone couldn`t find? In any event, why would the desperate dad wait until now to give up such critical info?

Straight out to investigative journalist Art Harris. Art, what is the very latest on this head-spinning case?

ART HARRIS, INVESTIGATIVE JOURNALIST: Jane, I can tell you that Ronald Cummings has told law enforcement about a timeline and about phone calls Misty made that night. So -- or actually that he made that night. And they are trying to put together new information he`s given them. And that has resulted in a request to interview Misty Cummings -- Misty Croslin again.

VELEZ-MITCHELL: Well, we all know that police can obtain phone records. They don`t need him to tell them what calls he made. And we`ve heard reports that he made something like 90 phone calls to Misty that night, which we all found very bizarre, like...

HARRIS: Yes.

VELEZ-MITCHELL: Before he knew that his daughter was missing, he`s making 90 calls to her?

HARRIS: Calls and texts, now I`m told.

VELEZ-MITCHELL: Calls and texts. So...

HARRIS: The actual calls, I`m told, are closer to 25. But I got clarification on that today, Jane.

However, what`s interesting is that they wanted to know about all the relationships between him and all the people involved who were supposedly at the trailer that night.

And they especially were interested to learn that what he had told them earlier about a phone call he made to Misty`s parents` house that night was not to ask Tommy to go check on her. This is -- of course blows Tommy`s, you know, story -- the story he told originally. Of course Tommy has refuted that, as well. But it shows that Ronald at least was telling the truth at that point.

VELEZ-MITCHELL: OK. Tommy`s lawyers. Tommy Croslin`s lawyer told us Tommy and his cousin, Joe, had plans to go deer hunting...

HARRIS: Right.

VELEZ-MITCHELL: ... the night Haleigh vanished. And that`s why they went to Ron`s trailer to get his big weapon. Listen to this briefly.

(BEGIN VIDEO CLIP)

JAMES WERTER, TOMMY CROSLIN`S ATTORNEY: The gun wasn`t there. Tommy was sitting on the couch. Tommy, yes, was high. Joe went off the deep end, went into that back room. Tommy didn`t see exactly what happened. Joe comes out with Haleigh, goes into the car, tells Tommy to get in the car. Joe has a very violent temper, from what Tommy tells me, and this is what he grew up with.

(END VIDEO CLIP)

VELEZ-MITCHELL: All right. So Art Harris, does Ron not believe that story?

HARRIS: Ronald, his lawyer told me today, Jane, believes that Misty is the key, just like law enforcement does. And, you know, he does concede that there was a fight over a gun. But we are going to wait and see what happens when he goes to sentencing June -- September 24.

VELEZ-MITCHELL: All right. Thank you, Art.

http://archives.cnn.com/TRANSCRIPTS/1009/07/ijvm.01.html

 

[Emeralgem]

I can't halp it Bessie...I'm stuck there. Stuck I tell ya!

And I'm stuck with you, however I have to admit I never thought certain name/s being mentioned could be the reason LE claimed they were having problem getting the records..I'm slippin....

 

[Emeralgem]

To my knowledge Hank Sr. and Lisa's residence was never searched...
I'm still trying to sort through in my mind WHY Tommy orginally told them Ron called him so he went to the MH on Green Lane around 10:00 and Misty wasn't there.. And then changed his story..
Also, IIRC Didn't LE state they were NOT going to discount the original story?
So we have LE saying they are still going with his original time and story and we have TN who stated Misty was extremely tired and didn't hear him when he knocked on the door...

 

[TxLady2]

I'm not sure we will ever know the full story of what happened that night or where. All these different stories are making my head spin. But Ronald could have gave LE this "valuable info" 19 months ago.

I don't trust AH to get his facts straight, so not sure I buy the tale that Tommy was at his parents' house that night instead of his own. He was watching his kids while Lindsey was doing clinical work for school, why would he not have kept them at home in their own beds?

Oh.... silly question. Nothing they do makes sense.

 

[TxLady2]

We don't know that Hank and Lisa's house was searched, as in officially with a warrant, but I would almost bet that LE was there doing an eyeball search very shortly after Haleigh was reported missing. They should have paid a visit to everyone who was connected to Misty and Ronald within the first few days, and while there conducting interviews, their eyes are constantly looking at everything. Believe me, if there was any evidence of something happening in that house, they should have picked up on it.
That is, IF they were doing everything like they're supposed to do. That's a big IF.
They're trained to notice things that ordinary people never see... or smell.
But then, this is PCSO we're talking about, so who knows?