2010.09.07 - Ron talking to LE per AH on JVM

[lonetraveler]

It's true that none can be trusted at this point but I do recall two recorded phone conversations (jail visits of maybe end of April/beginning of May), one in which Tommy indicated he tried to tell LE about Ron but they didn't want to hear it, and another in which Misty claimed Ron should be looked at more closely by LE. I am not sure what Tommy tried to tell LE about Ron but whatever it was, evidently LE was not interested. And from what Misty said I could not determine if she tried to talk about Ron and LE said forget it...of if she had simply suggested to LE that they need to look at Ron, and they declined.

So, even though those two cannot be trusted I have to say those statements made by them during jail visits piqued my curiosity.

Yep, I can't forget about those statements as well. Tommy also said that LE wanted him to say that "Joe did it" and he didn't want to. (He was talking to Hank Sr. at the time). This really bothers me that LE may be trying to tie up loose ends and someone is going to be railroaded so that this case can come to an end.

 

[azwriter]

this is gonna be Tommy's doom. MOO.

This is interesting but didn't Ron say all along that his only reason to call Tommy was to find out if Misty was there at his house. Not to ask Tommy to go to the mobile home?

If that's the case all it would mean is that if Tommy went to the mobile home it was his own idea to check on Misty. jmo

 

[krkrjx]

I clearly remember this statement: "There was no fight with no cousin over no gun."

The really odd thing about this is, if they had conspired from the very beginning on the Joe theory, Joe could have been an out for them. The fight over the gun and Joe allegedly saying Ron would get what's coming to him...that right there is a threat if I ever heard one. And even if JO never really said it, they could have said that he said it, and it would have cast a lot of suspicion Joe's way right from the start. So why would Ron deny the fight and the threat ever happened? His family said it happened. Misty said it happened. Ron is the only one who insisted it didn't happen. Even if it didn't, saying it did would cast suspicion away from Ron & Company, right?

The only reason I can think of is that for some reason Ron needed to distance himself from the gun at all costs. He needed to do that even more than he needed to point suspicion in Haleigh's disappearance toward JO.

I'm sure I have not stated that very clearly; hope some here will get what I'm trying to say, though.

 

[Pondering Mind]

My best guesstimate here is that Ron now needs to milk the "Joe did it" story to the end. In order to do that, he has to show a motive for Joe to be a the MH that night. The "gun story" would do it. And just think about it, he now has two (probably hostile) witnesses right now with the same story. Wow, I say just hook this sucker up to a poly and see where the moon is shining.

bbm~

I absolutely agree! From the beginning I have never thought that Joe had anything to do with Haleigh's *disappearance*. As a matter of fact, I believe that I'm in the small majority that doesn't believe that Tommy did either. Just my thoughts, but I believe Misty started that BS..Tommy started hearing about it (and was pretty adamant either in a phone call or jail visit with Hank that Joe DIDN'T have anything to do with it) and then about the time he and Lindsey were almost finished and he was desperate to get out of jail, he decided to run with it. Most likely believing that they could blame Joe and he and Misty both would be off the hook. Which in my mind is at least in part what led to the dock fiasco. I honestly believe that he thought it may work..stupid, stupid, stupid. Now I guess Ron is gonna try it too.

All of it makes me sick to my stomach. :sick:..I still believe that Ron and Misty are the only ones that know the REAL truth about what happened that night..jmho though..

 

[TxLady2]

Don't know if anyone answered this yet but my phone does not ring for a text. It gives a little one not bell sound. And it buzz's. FYI.

Mine has a short little tune... kind of like a harp... for a text message or a voicemail, but it plays a song when I get a call. I think most phones can be set to just about anything you want. Right now I have it set to alert every couple minutes, in case I am not near the phone... I don't carry it around with me in the house. It will keep alerting until I read the message or listen to the voicemail, but I can always reset it to alert only once.

The good news is, LE can get a warrant to retrieve those text messages, IF the phone company doesn't have a limit on how long they save them.
And they should have already subpoened all the phone records anyway, long before now.

 

[LoveEndsWar]

I clearly remember this statement: "There was no fight with no cousin over no gun."

The really odd thing about this is, if they had conspired from the very beginning on the Joe theory, Joe could have been an out for them. The fight over the gun and Joe allegedly saying Ron would get what's coming to him...that right there is a threat if I ever heard one. And even if JO never really said it, they could have said that he said it, and it would have cast a lot of suspicion Joe's way right from the start. So why would Ron deny the fight and the threat ever happened? His family said it happened. Misty said it happened. Ron is the only one who insisted it didn't happen. Even if it didn't, saying it did would cast suspicion away from Ron & Company, right?

The only reason I can think of is that for some reason Ron needed to distance himself from the gun at all costs. He needed to do that even more than he needed to point suspicion in Haleigh's disappearance toward JO.

I'm sure I have not stated that very clearly; hope some here will get what I'm trying to say, though.

The guns would keep him from keeping Jr?

 

[bessie]

In September 2009, Tommy said he went to the MH around 9:45 after a call from Ron looking for Misty. Ron admitted the call but Shoemaker said Ron did not ask Tommy to go to the MH.

I've never been able to figure out why that was an issue. So what if he did ask Tommy to go to the MH. Why was it so important to deny that?

Twenty-three-year-old Hank “Tommy” Croslin Jr. told detectives Thursday that his sister’s then-boyfriend, Ronald Cummings, called from work to ask about her whereabouts. In the interview, he told detectives he went to the Satsuma mobile home about 9:45 p.m. to find his sister.
Ronald Cummings’ attorney said Tuesday that Cummings did not ask Croslin to check where she was and had been in touch with her during the evening.
http://jacksonville.com/news/metro/...asnt_home_the_night_haleigh_cummings_vanished

 

[Nonni Brenda]

Oh man, I was thinking that he said 10 pm but I don't have a link ready, just going by my poor memory.

I believe tc said he was there knocking on the door around 10, dont have lik.sorry.

 

[TxLady2]

All I can say is, if this is "new" information Ron is telling, then why in the heck has he waited so long to tell it?? If it can be verified, and if it leads them to a conclusion in the case, then he should be charged with obstruction of justice for waiting a YEAR AND A HALF to come forward with it... and anybody else that knew it and hasn't spoken up as well. This is INSANE! His whole family ought to be behind bars too!

 

[azwriter]

Either there was a fight over a gun or there wasn't. RC claimed from the beginning that there wasn't. Now, he admits there was.

This is new out of RC's mouth...but it is not new information. Whether the gun fight had anything to do with what happened to Haleigh or not, the fact remains that Ron lied about the fight from the beginning.

Glad to see you put that print krkrjx. Now, what else did Ronald lie about?

He now agrees Misty is the key? Why of course she is. She knows she was given a script to help cover the real story but I don't think she knows the real story. Only what she was told by Ron and his mother.
I'm with Lone, I believe Misty was not at the mobile home till much later in the night. JMO

 

[krkrjx]

The guns would keep him from keeping Jr?

Maybe...but he kept Junior even after Haleigh went missing and by then everyone knew he had kept guns in the home. Even DCF had to know by then because Ron had admitted to the LEO that responded to the Haleigh missing call that he had a 9mm in his home and would use it to shoot the perp through the police car window.

 

[Nonni Brenda]

lone, I was thinking that 10pm was the time that Tommy supposedly went to the house and Misty wasn't home. I certainly could be wrong though, there has been so many stories, I can't keep up anymore. I don't believe a single word that any of them have said so far anyway. :sick:

I remember it as you do, pondering; tc was at mh around 10pm knocking, no answer. unable to find video though.

 

[Amster]

Why wouldn't LE have all the phone calls and texts between Ronald and Misty? We've seen pages and pages of Casey Anthony's texts....please don't tell me LE never bothered to look. :banghead:

 

[Nonni Brenda]

I clearly remember this statement: "There was no fight with no cousin over no gun."

The really odd thing about this is, if they had conspired from the very beginning on the Joe theory, Joe could have been an out for them. The fight over the gun and Joe allegedly saying Ron would get what's coming to him...that right there is a threat if I ever heard one. And even if JO never really said it, they could have said that he said it, and it would have cast a lot of suspicion Joe's way right from the start. So why would Ron deny the fight and the threat ever happened? His family said it happened. Misty said it happened. Ron is the only one who insisted it didn't happen. Even if it didn't, saying it did would cast suspicion away from Ron & Company, right?

The only reason I can think of is that for some reason Ron needed to distance himself from the gun at all costs. He needed to do that even more than he needed to point suspicion in Haleigh's disappearance toward JO.

I'm sure I have not stated that very clearly; hope some here will get what I'm trying to say, though.

moo: I believe that it wasn't the plan originally to frame JO. I still think the plan was to frame the croslins. The plan chanced recently because 2 other witnesses are saying JO did it, and so why not agree with that since that seed has already been planted. May be easier to make that story stick.

 

[cyberborg]

Just to reinerate: Ron's statements need to be vetted, ie., by answering the RIGHT questions while hooked up to a poly. Any other way is totally BS. If LE comes up and say that "John" is vouching for Ron's answers, I'm going to puke.:sick:

The challenge is, if this is "all for the show" and Ron has an inside line with LE then we are going to hear some fluff about how crucial Ron's new testimony was ... when they may have learned nothing new or something similar.

If LE are inclined to do a deal and favor Ron we will never know the real truth or details.

If this solves the case that's one thing but if Ron is just running with the current 'story' or fluffing to get a reduced sentence (in collusion) then it is another slap in the face in terms of Justice for HaLeigh.

HaLeigh needs to be brought home to allow un-tarnished family members to grieve and pay their respects.

Where is HaLeigh? .... Ron?

 

[lonetraveler]

Maybe...but he kept Junior even after Haleigh went missing and by then everyone knew he had kept guns in the home. Even DCF had to know by then because Ron had admitted to the LEO that responded to the Haleigh missing call that he had a 9mm in his home and would use it to shoot the perp through the police car window.

All I'm going to say is that this says a lot about the DCF investigation, doesn't it?

 

[krkrjx]

The challenge is, if this is "all for the show" and Ron has an inside line with LE then we are going to hear some fluff about how crucial Ron's new testimony was ... when they may have learned nothing new or something similar.

If LE are inclined to do a deal and favor Ron we will never know the real truth or details.

If this solves the case that's one thing but if Ron is just running with the current 'story' or fluffing to get a reduced sentence (in collusion) then it is another slap in the face in terms of Justice for HaLeigh.

HaLeigh needs to be brought home to allow un-tarnished family members to grieve and pay their respects.

Where is HaLeigh? .... Ron?

:clap::clap::clap:

 

[lonetraveler]

Why wouldn't LE have all the phone calls and texts between Ronald and Misty? We've seen pages and pages of Casey Anthony's texts....please don't tell me LE never bothered to look. :banghead:

LOL, Don't be surprise if LE comes out saying that they did not consider the text and phone calls as anything of interest to the case and therefore did not see any reason to follow up.

 

[mysticrose]

Well what an **s ... I would like to get a hold of Ron !

I gave him some benefit of the doubt for awhile just figuring his drug problem was why he was reacting so oddly to situations but this is just disturbing.

Why wait so long to say something. I always have thought that Ron felt he could do a better job then LE in tracking down his daughter and thus not sharing much info with LE.
Ron has a disgust for LE, it is apparent from the 911 call.

I still am on the fence if he has anything to do with Haleigh's demise, I just dont think he does, because the people involved in this situation would have ratted him out by now especially since he is getting charges dropped, I just don't see them sitting on info of that nature at this point in the game.

I still do not think Misty was home, I think Misty is reciting what she has been told by Tommy and ? (Jo) (Timmy) I still feel Jo and Tommy are into this up to their eyeballs and it is just a matter of time.

I will eat crow if it is found Ron did and or helped dispose of his own daughter, I know I am in the minority here in regards to Ron but I just don't feel it .... I just think he thought he would handle this on his own within a matter of months.... No rotten tomatoes please

 

[bessie]

Why wouldn't LE have all the phone calls and texts between Ronald and Misty? We've seen pages and pages of Casey Anthony's texts....please don't tell me LE never bothered to look. :banghead:

At one point Bowling, I believe, indicated that there were technical problems with regard to the phone records. Or words to that effect. I've always wondered if that held up the investigation. With the numerous calls and texts just from Ron's phone alone, LE should've been able to find something conclusive. I'll go find the link.
ETA:

Major Bowling also talked about Misty’s cell phone. Action News asked him if he could use GPS technology to track down exactly where Misty was the night Haleigh disappeared. Major Bowling wouldn’t go into details, but says they are investigating those facts.
There are some things we can do with electronics, and there were some problems with the electronics…that’s about as far as I can go into that…there’s some things were still working on trying to get cleared up in regards to electronic intelligence, said Major Bowling.
http://www.myfoxorlando.com/dpp/news/cummings_case/092209_haleigh_cummings

This is also the article where Major Bowling talks about Tommy's statement about going to the MH.