2010.12.03 Agreement: No Death Penalty, Life In Prison For Elisa Baker

[nursebeeme]

this sucks!

 

[nursebeeme]

Mourners angry: http://www2.hickoryrecord.com/news/2010/dec/03/mourners-angry-about-prosecution-agreement-ar-589341/

they should be...

I wonder if we can read anything into possible AB charges with the latest news? certainly the DA will make SOMEONE PAY THE BIGGEST PART OF THE PRICE! This crime has mobilized the WORLD!

 

[Mountain_Kat]

Supposedly, according to Dubb's motion - the cooperation began on or abouts the 25th of October. The SWs state EB took LE around to places on the 26th of October. So why was it that the remains on Dudley Shoals were not located until 10 November -I don't see that as a lot of cooperation myself. Just saying.

But she did take LE to the Dudley Shoals site on Oct. 26. LE did a cursory (imo) search, and found nothing. If they found nothing in their first search, I don't see how the blame for that can he laid on her. It is possible that she didn't know the exact spot, if AB, or someone else, buried body parts at this site. But she did take them right up to the dirt turn area.

My personal opinion is that LE wouldn't have had the first clue where to look for body parts, gel liner, or the mattress if EB hadn't coughed up that info. AB sure isn't spilling anything.

JMO

 

[butwhatif?]

I remember the police making copies of those letters she sent to that Gien guy, or is ig gein..whatever...also they made copies of letters she sent to a few family members. My guess is, something in those letters gave the DA an out. The leak is by the DA to give the public a reason for the delay, but they are IMO pretty sure the deal will be voided.

Aha! That just gave me a lightbulb moment. Didn't the chief or somebody involved in the case say that none of it was new news to them and that there were lies in those letters?

Gotta find the quote....

BINGO!!!!!

Hickory Deputy Chief of Police Clyde Deal acknowledged that the letters likely were written by Elisa Baker. "I think probably these letters were down at the jail," he said after AOL News showed them to him. "I am not a handwriting analyst, but I mean I wouldn't suspect that it didn't [come from her].

"Obviously not everything she speaks in there is true," he added, noting that the contents of the letter "sound much like the same stuff that she's spouting to some other people."

 

[impatientredhead]

Supposedly, according to Dubb's motion - the cooperation began on or abouts the 25th of October. The SWs state EB took LE around to places on the 26th of October. So why was it that the remains on Dudley Shoals were not located until 10 November -I don't see that as a lot of cooperation myself. Just saying.

I can come up with a couple of scenarios that would make that plausible and still cooperating.

a. I have lost my keys in my living room and spent hours looking for them. Just because you know there is an item in the brush doesn't mean it will be easy to find.

b. She couldn't narrow down the specific spot because Adam did this disposal site, she just knew that is where he went. That would result in her only have a general description.

If you are talking about overturning a deal based on cooperation you aren't going to do it on she said there would be evidence at this location, and while it was ultimately there, it wasn't easy to find.

I think people are way over expectant on what uncooperative or lying would be to reach a standard to pull a deal off the table. Her attorney may hope that they pull the deal. If she can challenge all of that evidence as being obtained under false intentions of the state. She said there would be evidence in mulitple spots, said what would be there, and it was.

Even if she says Adam beat Zahra to death and they don't believe her, how do you prove she is lying?

There is knowing she is hedging her bets and not being forthcoming, and then there is proving it.

 

[Mountain_Kat]

Aha! That just gave me a lightbulb moment. Didn't the chief or somebody involved in the case say that none of it was new news to them and that there were lies in those letters?

Gotta find the quote....

BINGO!!!!!

Hickory Deputy Chief of Police Clyde Deal acknowledged that the letters likely were written by Elisa Baker. "I think probably these letters were down at the jail," he said after AOL News showed them to him. "I am not a handwriting analyst, but I mean I wouldn't suspect that it didn't [come from her].

"Obviously not everything she speaks in there is true," he added, noting that the contents of the letter "sound much like the same stuff that she's spouting to some other people."

Lies in those letters won't affect a deal made with LE/DA, imo. She can lie all she wants to some dude on a website...she just can't lie to LE.

 

[impatientredhead]

Aha! That just gave me a lightbulb moment. Didn't the chief or somebody involved in the case say that none of it was new news to them and that there were lies in those letters?

Gotta find the quote....

BINGO!!!!!

Hickory Deputy Chief of Police Clyde Deal acknowledged that the letters likely were written by Elisa Baker. "I think probably these letters were down at the jail," he said after AOL News showed them to him. "I am not a handwriting analyst, but I mean I wouldn't suspect that it didn't [come from her].

"Obviously not everything she speaks in there is true," he added, noting that the contents of the letter "sound much like the same stuff that she's spouting to some other people."

EB can lie to any of her penpals, family members, even her attorney. That is not relevant at all to whether what she has offered to the state has been factual, accurate, and met the requirements of their agreement.

 

[Mountain_Kat]

Impatient...stop it! LOL!

 

[Lera213]

Lies in those letters won't affect a deal made with LE/DA, imo. She can lie all she wants to some dude on a website...she just can't lie to LE.

however if there was truth in the letter to the website and a lie told to LE and that letter helped confirm the lie then she broke that cooperation.

 

[impatientredhead]

Impatient...stop it! LOL!

I was going to tell you to get out of my head, or I will just sit back and read for awhile!

 

[Mountain_Kat]

however if there was truth in the letter to the website and a lie told to LE and that letter helped confirm the lie then she broke that cooperation.

Possibly, but then LE still has to be able to prove which is the truth and which is a lie.

 

[tfrohning]

He said his posts were being discussed on other sites and said if it continued he would leave. I think the mods are tired of deleting all the posts debating how horrible it is that someone would copy his post and discuss it elsewhere versus he posted on a public forum and we discuss peoples posts from myspace and facebook every day. I think everytime they delete the topic and clean up and it pops back up when some reads his post for the first time. My post already got deleted so I am staying away. And if this post get pulled mods don't time me out. I was just trying to answering the question.:angel::angel::angel::angel::angel:

Me Too:angel:

 

[Mountain_Kat]

I was going to tell you to get out of my head, or I will just sit back and read for awhile!

No, you go ahead. I'll sit back and read. Your answers are more articulate than mine, and since I agree with everything you say anyway, I'll give my fingers a rest.

 

[Lera213]

Possibly, but then LE still has to be able to prove which is the truth and which is a lie.

Yes but go with me now (lol) the DA would not even attempt to try and void the deal unless he did have something solid. IMO

 

[wenwe4]

however if there was truth in the letter to the website and a lie told to LE and that letter helped confirm the lie then she broke that cooperation.

ok, I had to read through that a couple of times - I must admit it stretched my neurons a bit.

 

[impatientredhead]

Yes but go with me now (lol) the DA would not even attempt to try and void the deal unless he did have something solid. IMO

And they may have just said they where investigating whether they could pull the deal off the table to quell the angry masses, and to keep EB on good behavior. IE don't take this as a get of jail free card, you have not met our expectations of this deal, so get to performing.

 

[Mountain_Kat]

Yes but go with me now (lol) the DA would not even attempt to try and void the deal unless he did have something solid. IMO

If so, it better be rock solid, or Dubbs is going to fight like hell to have every piece of evidence gathered via EB's cooperation thrown out. And if that happens, I don't know if there's a case here at all.

JMO...like I said, law is NOT my strong suit.

 

[Lera213]

ok, I had to read through that a couple of times - I must admit it stretched my neurons a bit.

Ok I'll try to be clear:

1:EB told the truth about one fact in the letter to family or the website guy but told the police something else. The police followed up and learned that EB actually LIED to the police, therefore trying to throw off the investigation hence it could be argued that she wasn't cooperating.

 

[LadyL]

I really, really hope she told enough of a whopper at some point that voids the agreement

I suspect that lie will end up being that someone else killed Z.

I only hope that they can prove it

 

[Lera213]

If so, it better be rock solid, or Dubbs is going to fight like hell to have every piece of evidence gathered via EB's cooperation thrown out. And if that happens, I don't know if there's a case here at all.

JMO...like I said, law is NOT my strong suit.

That is what I'm thinking also. Look the DA knows LD and the law, why on earth would he risk voiding it and therefore getting all the evidence collected thrown out unless the DA did have a strong argument to show that EB wasn't cooperating. There has to be something in that agreement that we don't know. My guess is LD knows and this is why she stated she is still working with EB on the cooperation part. LD knows if she goes away, EB is a loose cannon, and LD might even know that the DA does have something therefore hanging in to be ready to fight the DA.