2011.01.05 Hearing TES Volunteer Computer Subpoena

[LambChop]

I truly believe that jb wanted a trial by ambush---think he was truly hoping to have a Perry Mason moment---try to throw the SA off their game--his big problem is that the SA is expereienced---where as him????

I also can't figure out why others keep signing up--baffles me! There isn't any money at this point so why???? foolish asperactions???

They also need to lay off of the SA having more power than them---the whining needs to stop! Yesterday almost was like having my kids in school and not doing all their homework due to being on the computer--

The burden of proof is on SA, so I would say yes they do have more power. But if you are innocent of the crime your defense should be able to present a case to prove your innocence. In this case it should have been cut and dry, Mom had custody of child period..... The whining tells us he has no defense, zippo. jmo

 

[strawberry]

Listening to JBs argument...that JJ had "inserted himself" (tried to help find a baby) and being and "interesting individual" sounds to me like JB is trying to Kronk him.

 

[strawberry]

Lol Blogosphere. And JB doesn't have access to all the blogs because you have to register. Duh

 

[LambChop]

Well, this would be a good strategy! But if they were going this route they would not need to accuse Kronk or try to find evidence that the body was moved or that it was not at suburban drive when TES searched. So, no, they are not this smart.

Plus JB did accuse Kronk at the media conference after Kronk's first deposition stating he was just as much a suspect as his client. Too many theories up in the air considering JB misspoke when he said we would understand and they had proof the body was moved. Now they are trying to manufacture evidence to prove their theory and it just is not there.

Loved it when CM said "investigating" TES volunteer instead of interviewing at the hearing the other day. jmo

 

[faefrost]

Well here is my thoughts on JB being so curious about us "bloggers" and the content of what we say, I think there has been someone registered here since the summer of 08, and that person is feeding information to JB and crew about what is being said and by whom on certain threads, they very well may be printing them out and giving them to the Defence or letting the paralegal know where they are......I defiantly think that they are watching everything that is being said here....But after todays ruling is was made abundantly clear that we are average citizens with our opinions and that JB will not be able to pull out his "fishing pole" and go after us for making comments....

I also feel that we are certainly going to see JB try and go after JBP for the deadline ruling on the expert witness reports...I also think that JA is wanting the reports staggered for another reason, since JB was not leveed with contempt of court or and the $500 a day fine, that JA would like JB to have numerous deadline (staggered), being as JB was unable to meet the discovery deadline (twice) then I think JA knows that there is no way JB will be able to meet multiple deadlines (even with a colour coded chart), and if he cannot meet those then I certainly think that JP will find him in contempt and hit him in the wallet hard, You could tell Monday before JP had a sidebar with JB and CM that he was saying something in open court about the $500, so my guess is they were both told if they screw around and miss anymore deadlines that is what they can both expect, so what does JB do the very next day he tells JP that he will have more paperwork heading the courts way about the reports and the fact that his ruling was not fair (in so many words) and I also found it interesting that JB told JP that the reason he asked for 20 days was because he was denied the 30 days, not that he requested 20 days because it would take the experts that long to get them in...And you can bet that this information was not lost on JP....I say JP hit them where it hurts and if they go to jail or can't pay the fines then refuse to hear anymore of their motion, things are getting very interesting to say the least.

Bolded by me.

Have we ever actually heard HHJP agree to the 20 days? I noticed he looked a little smug when he said he was going back to write the order for this, but I didn't spot where he agreed to 20 days. JB told him he needs 20 days, because "well you won't give me 30" rather than telling the judge what each individual expert will probably or reasonably need. (on a side note JA did seem to do a breakdown on what each expert would roughly need and based his "staggered" request on that). From my watching all I saw was JB doing a song and dance and HHJP carefully doing nothing. So unless there was some agreement from outside the court, what are the chances that when he writes his order it will remain as he adjudicated it in court on Monday? 7 days?

 

[strawberry]

LOL JB talks about JJ changing his story and impeding investigation. Have you met your client, JB?

 

[faefrost]

Listening to JBs argument...that JJ had "inserted himself" (tried to help find a baby) and being and "interesting individual" sounds to me like JB is trying to Kronk him.

I still can't believe that JB is willing to stand up there in open court and declare JJ a "felon". Ummm? Wasn't the supposed crime that he secretly recorded JB's a defense investigator attempting witness tampering? (or so JJ claimed?). The tape was sealed because it was illegally obtained, but still!? Is this really an avenue that JB wants to be walking down?!?!?!

 

[zoey]

[/B]

The burden of proof is on SA, so I would say yes they do have more power. But if you are innocent of the crime your defense should be able to present a case to prove your innocence. In this case it should have been cut and dry, Mom had custody of child period..... The whining tells us he has no defense, zippo. jmo

ITA...my point being all the whining---every hearing! I've heard more diverse whining from my own kids than the defense. Every hearing, look at all the evidence we keep getting (most of it repeat stuff), the SA gets more money (well if you budgeted it correctly & moved the case along you would be sitting pretty)---just the constant whining---I am glad the HHJP gave in on that transcript thing--that was getting old---they didn't follow thru with what HHJP told them to do--I can't see that their behavior will bode well with the Jury.

 

[TotallyObsessed]

Bolded by me.

Have we ever actually heard HHJP agree to the 20 days? I noticed he looked a little smug when he said he was going back to write the order for this, but I didn't spot where he agreed to 20 days. JB told him he needs 20 days, because "well you won't give me 30" rather than telling the judge what each individual expert will probably or reasonably need. (on a side note JA did seem to do a breakdown on what each expert would roughly need and based his "staggered" request on that). From my watching all I saw was JB doing a song and dance and HHJP carefully doing nothing. So unless there was some agreement from outside the court, what are the chances that when he writes his order it will remain as he adjudicated it in court on Monday? 7 days?

I haven't see an order yet on the ruling. I do know that my judge I work for has had cases over the years where she knows that no matter what she does, there will be an appeal. Doesn't mean it will be a successful appeal, but there will be an appeal. So I think JP, in his judicial descretion, splits the baby so to speak. He gives them half of what they ask for so as not to prejudice their case, but he also keeps the deadlines that have been set in this case.

 

[beach]

Lol Blogosphere. And JB doesn't have access to all the blogs because you have to register. Duh

Yes, I noted he said that, too. Interesting that he proffered to the court that they searched and reviewed all of JJ's posts - read his opinions, where he had searched, and noted that he linked to his (JJ's) personal site...

Well, to use the search functions at WS you HAVE to be a registered member. :innocent:

 

[zoey]

I still can't believe that JB is willing to stand up there in open court and declare JJ a "felon". Ummm? Wasn't the supposed crime that he secretly recorded JB's a defense investigator attempting witness tampering? (or so JJ claimed?). The tape was sealed because it was illegally obtained, but still!? Is this really an avenue that JB wants to be walking down?!?!?!

I also loved it when he mentioned that JJ didn't want to play with the defense and proved it by having the atty present. Didn't his client do the same BUT on a much more serious front?---Can't believe some of his rants and raves! Loved that he looked at Cheney for support at one time and Cheney didn't respond.....

 

[faefrost]

Yes, I noted he said that, too. Interesting that he proffered to the court that they searched and reviewed all of JJ's posts - read his opinions, where he had searched, and noted that he linked to his (JJ's) personal site...

Well, to use the search functions at WS you HAVE to be a registered member. :innocent:

Yeah, but registration really isn't that hard a burden to get around. All they would need is something like a dePaul student with a gmail account. But then again we have long suspected that the defense was not that smart, so they may not know how to do this.

 

[manatee]

Yeah, but registration really isn't that hard a burden to get around. All they would need is something like a dePaul student with a gmail account. But then again we have long suspected that the defense was not that smart, so they may not know how to do this.

We certainly know CM would have no idea. "LOL" :crazy:

 

[beach]

Yeah, but registration really isn't that hard a burden to get around. All they would need is something like a dePaul student with a gmail account. But then again we have long suspected that the defense was not that smart, so they may not know how to do this.

Oh, ITA! I just got the impression when Baez said that, that he was "above" registering for one of the "blog" sites.

 

[strawberry]

Oh, ITA! I just got the impression when Baez said that, that he was "above" registering for one of the "blog" sites.

Exactly! His client's life is on the line and he can't be bothered to register? He was having a colossal temper tantrum!

 

[Turnadot]

To jump off your post and I'm not attacking JJ, I don't know him from Adam. Not only did he insert himself, he emailed LE and jumped the gun before he knew what he was talking about. He made assumptions and accusations that he searched that area and that someone else had to of put Caylee there. He certainly deserved a depo, he's lucky that is all he got actually. He could have gotten in serious trouble in regards to the unlawful recording.

I agree with everything you've said here.

This isn't directed at you, MD, but a general aside: Despite JJ's actions; he spent more hours looking for that sweet baby than her own mother (an actual convicted felon) ever did.

 

[logicalgirl]

Exactly! His client's life is on the line and he can't be bothered to register? He was having a colossal temper tantrum!

LOL - Maybe he has some idea of what kind of a reception he would get if word got out that "Baez is in the House"!

OOOOOO :great: I get all tingly just thinking about it! :skip:

 

[Soju]

I still can't believe that JB is willing to stand up there in open court and declare JJ a "felon". Ummm? Wasn't the supposed crime that he secretly recorded JB's a defense investigator attempting witness tampering? (or so JJ claimed?). The tape was sealed because it was illegally obtained, but still!? Is this really an avenue that JB wants to be walking down?!?!?!

I know, right? And JJ was never even charged, let alone convicted, yet JB stands there in court calling him a felon. They totally want to Kronk JJ and HHJP cut them off at the knees. Sweeeet.

O/T: I guarantee with Perry shutting down the motion to include Kronk's prior bad acts, at some point when Kronk is on the stand, CM will slip this one in: "Mr.Kronk, Have you ever been charged with kidnapping?" The state will object, but he will have gotten it in there. Makes me puke.

 

[MD MOMMY]

I agree with everything you've said here.

This isn't directed at you, MD, but a general aside: Despite JJ's actions; he spent more hours looking for that sweet baby than her own mother (an actual convicted felon) ever did.

ITA and I've said it over and over. He is to be commended for what he did. It's more than ICA or her entire family did. He had good intentions, no doubt in my mind.

 

[MD MOMMY]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8twqTVs6ZGY


Good Lord...they are Fishing...

Judge Perry has to ask the same question more than once and rephrase it before Baez even anwers....and then when he does he doesn't even know if the photo's they want even exist.

JBP..."on the blogs did Mr Jordan specifically state he had taken pictures of Suburban Drive where the body was located and the date and approx. time of those photographs or was it people on the blogoshphere chit chatting?"

Baez: starts to tell a story

JB" Mr Baez, Mr Jordan is a citizen, if law enforcement was attempting to get a search warrant they would need probable cause to invade that citizens space...I am asking you did He, affirmatively say in a blog that he had taken pictures of Suburban drive that he has/had some relevancy to this case....I am trying to distinguish if your going on a general fishing expedition or is there something specific that can lead to the discovery of tangible evidence"

Baez "I am not asking for a licence to fish...I have emails to LE and copies of his blogs where he states he has photographs...."

JBP "does he say he has photographs or does some unknown person say he has photographs?"

Baez " Neither...I can tell you he has photographs of other searches that we were able to find..

He doesn't know because he didn't ask. He didn't do his homework on JJ prior to the depo. AND JB you don't have to register to read most blogs, you can go on as a guest. SO, that excuse doesn't fly sugar pie!

ETA I guess you do have to be a member to use the search function BUT if JB was on the ball he would have been on W/S when JJ was here then he wouldn't have to search years later.