2011.01.05 Hearing TES Volunteer Computer Subpoena

[Intermezzo]

[ame]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8twqTVs6ZGY[/ame]


Good Lord...they are Fishing...

Judge Perry has to ask the same question more than once and rephrase it before Baez even anwers....and then when he does he doesn't even know if the photo's they want even exist.

JBP..."on the blogs did Mr Jordan specifically state he had taken pictures of Suburban Drive where the body was located and the date and approx. time of those photographs or was it people on the blogoshphere chit chatting?"

Baez: starts to tell a story

JB" Mr Baez, Mr Jordan is a citizen, if law enforcement was attempting to get a search warrant they would need probable cause to invade that citizens space...I am asking you did He, affirmatively say in a blog that he had taken pictures of Suburban drive that he has/had some relevancy to this case....I am trying to distinguish if your going on a general fishing expedition or is there something specific that can lead to the discovery of tangible evidence"

Baez "I am not asking for a licence to fish...I have emails to LE and copies of his blogs where he states he has photographs...."

JBP "does he say he has photographs or does some unknown person say he has photographs?"

Baez " Neither...I can tell you he has photographs of other searches that we were able to find..

 

[Intermezzo]

12:50 mark
IMO
Baez had to, but seemed did not want to by the way he was standing and looking to the side with his head down a bit like he was defeated, answer the following questions by JBP...

JBP"In the deop did you show him aerial photos of that area and asked him to show you where he searched?"

Baez"We asked him to point out where he searched, ya"

JBP" And did he point out any magic area?"

Baez " In the general vicinity"

JBP " When you say general vicinity what do you mean?"

Baez"I would say within..aaaahh...20-30 feet"

After this last statement Baez starts a story again..

The Defense has no idea or proof that Jordan took pictures and/or if these photos even exist...

 

[Kimmer]

I also think that just because ICA was in court on Monday during the sanctions hearing that she just thinks the State is picking on JB, I am sure he was able to spin it that he was only a few hours late (yea the next day) my guess is when JA was up telling JP all the infractions that JB has done in this case, that she was not listening or paying any attention, and since JP did not go thru each infraction 1x1 with JB but instead just picked 1 that KC thinks that is the only mistake that JB has made....I also think that during KC time out of jail and all the time she spent with JB at his office that they have a very close relationship (and I don't mean that kind) But I still feel that KC would Never Ever fire JB, as others have said in the past they are 2 peas in a pod, and I think KC feels like she finally has someone who supports and understands her there is no way she would Ever fire him, And since CA & GA can't go and visit her she will never know all the shenanigans that have went on in this case...

Another thing IMO we only know a small amount of what has went on with the SA office, JB, and the courts there is so much stuff that goes on behind the scene that we will never know about, but I think JP is getting really tired off all the crap that the defence has done in this case.

 

[Intermezzo]

I also think that just because ICA was in court on Monday during the sanctions hearing that she just thinks the State is picking on JB, I am sure he was able to spin it that he was only a few hours late (yea the next day) my guess is when JA was up telling JP all the infractions that JB has done in this case, that she was not listening or paying any attention, and since JP did not go thru each infraction 1x1 with JB but instead just picked 1 that KC thinks that is the only mistake that JB has made....I also think that during KC time out of jail and all the time she spent with JB at his office that they have a very close relationship (and I don't mean that kind) But I still feel that KC would Never Ever fire JB, as others have said in the past they are 2 peas in a pod, and I think KC feels like she finally has someone who supports and understands her there is no way she would Ever fire him, And since CA & GA can't go and visit her she will never know all the shenanigans that have went on in this case...

Another thing IMO we only know a small amount of what has went on with the SA office, JB, and the courts there is so much stuff that goes on behind the scene that we will never know about, but I think JP is getting really tired off all the crap that the defence has done in this case.

I could be wrong ..but the reason she is not in attendance could be explained very easily.
IIRC this hearing was not on the schedule and was last minute, it probably wasn't enough time for the Jail to put her on the transportation dispatch log to transport her to this hearing.

 

[Leila]

Courtesy of A News Junkie, the hearing!!! :rocker:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8twqTVs6ZGY

Thank You Muzikman, A News Junkie, and Lera for putting this on YouTube! Even though I saw the hearing live, after reading everyone's comments in this thread I wanted to see the hearing again to look for specific nuances, facial expressions, etc.

I just watch it again, and I've got to admit.............when I saw the hearing live, I didn't even notice CM's presence. I've got to agree with everyone who compared this to a Weekend at Bernie's moment. CM didn't even change his position. There was a message there in his body language.

 

[LolaMoon08]

I also think that just because ICA was in court on Monday during the sanctions hearing that she just thinks the State is picking on JB, I am sure he was able to spin it that he was only a few hours late (yea the next day) my guess is when JA was up telling JP all the infractions that JB has done in this case, that she was not listening or paying any attention, and since JP did not go thru each infraction 1x1 with JB but instead just picked 1 that KC thinks that is the only mistake that JB has made....I also think that during KC time out of jail and all the time she spent with JB at his office that they have a very close relationship (and I don't mean that kind) But I still feel that KC would Never Ever fire JB, as others have said in the past they are 2 peas in a pod, and I think KC feels like she finally has someone who supports and understands her there is no way she would Ever fire him, And since CA & GA can't go and visit her she will never know all the shenanigans that have went on in this case...

Another thing IMO we only know a small amount of what has went on with the SA office, JB, and the courts there is so much stuff that goes on behind the scene that we will never know about, but I think JP is getting really tired off all the crap that the defence has done in this case.

As for Casey not knowing what is going on? I completely agree. I do believe she is being fed sugar-coated information from her defense... I have often wondered if I should write her a one-time-only detailed list of everything Jose Baez has done since Oct. 2008 so that she will know? Just so the little (insert foot) won't have the gall to say she didn't. I won't do it though. There is no way that I want my name associated with this case AT ALL!!

CA and GA could have written her numerous times to let her know what is going on outside... I believe it is their job, as the people standing by her, to let her know what is going on. I guess Cindy thinks Casey's cat taking a #2 on the floor is more important that her defense team making a complete fool of themselves.

I also don't believe that Casey would ever fire Jose. We could all write her a long list and she would just think we are "haters." LOL

 

[Leila]

I just now watched the video from today's hearing. When Mr. McClellan (sp?) objected to Baez's statement, shouldn't Baez have shut up long enough to let His Honor rule? Baez seriously kept on "I think there is, I think there is...". :loser:

Another quick question....all the JJ photos are from J. Blanchard Park right? I don't recall seeing any photos from JJ at Suburban Drive?

Yes, all the pictures that were posted here at WS were of items found at J. Blanchard Park. At that time, JJ and a small group of people were searching on their own, independent of TES. The items were photographed, LE was notified, and JJ included several pictures of LE putting the bagged items in a police car. I don't recall any time that JJ ever mentioned searching or taking pictures on Suburban Drive.

JB is barking up the wrong tree on this one. He's looking for evidence that I doubt exists.

 

[Leila]

Well here is my thoughts on JB being so curious about us "bloggers" and the content of what we say, I think there has been someone registered here since the summer of 08, and that person is feeding information to JB and crew about what is being said and by whom on certain threads, they very well may be printing them out and giving them to the Defence or letting the paralegal know where they are......I defiantly think that they are watching everything that is being said here....But after todays ruling is was made abundantly clear that we are average citizens with our opinions and that JB will not be able to pull out his "fishing pole" and go after us for making comments....

I also feel that we are certainly going to see JB try and go after JBP for the deadline ruling on the expert witness reports...I also think that JA is wanting the reports staggered for another reason, since JB was not leveed with contempt of court or and the $500 a day fine, that JA would like JB to have numerous deadline (staggered), being as JB was unable to meet the discovery deadline (twice) then I think JA knows that there is no way JB will be able to meet multiple deadlines (even with a colour coded chart), and if he cannot meet those then I certainly think that JP will find him in contempt and hit him in the wallet hard, You could tell Monday before JP had a sidebar with JB and CM that he was saying something in open court about the $500, so my guess is they were both told if they screw around and miss anymore deadlines that is what they can both expect, so what does JB do the very next day he tells JP that he will have more paperwork heading the courts way about the reports and the fact that his ruling was not fair (in so many words) and I also found it interesting that JB told JP that the reason he asked for 20 days was because he was denied the 30 days, not that he requested 20 days because it would take the experts that long to get them in...And you can bet that this information was not lost on JP....I say JP hit them where it hurts and if they go to jail or can't pay the fines then refuse to hear anymore of their motion, things are getting very interesting to say the least.

Kimmer..........ITA. I think it's very likely that there's someone here and at other crime forums who's funneling information on what's being posted to the defense team.

If there's anything they should be looking at or concerned about it's the tide of public sentiment. We are the pulse of the country. Just by reading here or at other forums, they have to know that the public in general believes their client to be guilty of a heinous crime, and that the public also feels that the defense team is doing a terrible job. They've done nothing in 2 and a 1/2 years to try to put forth a better image of themselves or their client. They can't blame this all on the media........it's been their own words and actions that have forged public opinion.

 

[Lera213]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8twqTVs6ZGY


Good Lord...they are Fishing...

Judge Perry has to ask the same question more than once and rephrase it before Baez even anwers....and then when he does he doesn't even know if the photo's they want even exist.

JBP..."on the blogs did Mr Jordan specifically state he had taken pictures of Suburban Drive where the body was located and the date and approx. time of those photographs or was it people on the blogoshphere chit chatting?"

Baez: starts to tell a story

JB" Mr Baez, Mr Jordan is a citizen, if law enforcement was attempting to get a search warrant they would need probable cause to invade that citizens space...I am asking you did He, affirmatively say in a blog that he had taken pictures of Suburban drive that he has/had some relevancy to this case....I am trying to distinguish if your going on a general fishing expedition or is there something specific that can lead to the discovery of tangible evidence"

Baez "I am not asking for a licence to fish...I have emails to LE and copies of his blogs where he states he has photographs...."

[COLOR="Navy"]JBP[/COLOR] "does he say he has photographs or does some unknown person say he has photographs?"

Baez " Neither...I can tell you he has photographs of other searches that we were able to find..

OH HHBP face right after JB says Neither was PRICELESS

 

[LiveLaughLuv]

Doesn't Baez understand about probable cause. This team had to be taught the difference between a Frye hearing and an evidentary hearing on Monday. Are they serious...if they continue to insert private citizens into ICA's drama, His Honor is correct, there will be other lawsuits following...for them..what an embarassement to those attorneys who do work diligently on their cases...what a fiasco Baez is creating...JMHO

Baez cannot continue on with his pointless wants. Why is he so focused on 'bloggers'? Why doesn't he just work with the evidence at hand instead of trying to create evidence that isn't there?

What ever happened to the allegations of witness tampering with the defenses PI?

Justice for Caylee

 

[TotallyObsessed]

After watching the hearing, I am reminded of the many, many interviews where Baez continues to say that we will hear the whole story at trial.

We are 5 months out now, I hope he has figured out the whole story :great::floorlaugh:

You know what? As I sit here sipping my coffee and catching up on this thread...it just struck me that perhaps, PERHAPS, the entire defense strategy is that KC is innocent- -- innocent of Capital Murder with a death penalty. She is not innocent in the death of Caylee. It was an accidental death by drowning. JB never wanted to get a plea deal for her because, as he has said, we will find out the whole story at trial. Yes, it was "ugly coping" that she put the duct tape on Caylee's mouth AFTER death, the 31 days were "ugly coping" AND her behavior after the accidental drowning was brought on by her issues with her mother.

 

[TotallyObsessed]

I believe JB is even so ....how to say it nicely....inexperienced and uninformed as to believe that the State has no concrete evidence. Just circumstantial. He may very well be planning on KC taking the stand to tell her story (and what a story that would be).

That would explain for me the heavy emphasis thus far on the death penalty attorneys and mitigating factor attorneys vs. any real expert rebuttal witnesses for the defense. It is all geared up to get an acquittal on the death penalty charge. His goal has been not to clear her of murder charges, but to obtain an acquittal and show through mitigating circumstances why she acted as she did. Period. Lord knows CA and GA's behavior would certainly play into that.

I will go so far to say that if, IF he were to pull this off, he would be looked at as a legal genius.

God forbid this is where he is going, but it really seems clear to me.
But I also might still be asleep and dreaming as it is 6:00 am and I haven't finished my second cup of coffee.

 

[Macushla]

JB stated in the hearing yesterday that the pictures of items collected by LE could be important to their defense of KC (paraphrased). IF these items were collected on Suburban Drive, would they not have been cataloged, given case numbers and would they or at least pictures of them have been released in discovery? Is JB trying to imply that there is evidence out there that the State is 'hiding'?

I think JB is getting some bad 'tips and information' from someone. Is it being done to make the defense look bad, or is someone trying to help, but only making this worse?

 

[manatee]

You know what? As I sit here sipping my coffee and catching up on this thread...it just struck me that perhaps, PERHAPS, the entire defense strategy is that KC is innocent- -- innocent of Capital Murder with a death penalty. She is not innocent in the death of Caylee. It was an accidental death by drowning. JB never wanted to get a plea deal for her because, as he has said, we will find out the whole story at trial. Yes, it was "ugly coping" that she put the duct tape on Caylee's mouth AFTER death, the 31 days were "ugly coping" AND her behavior after the accidental drowning was brought on by her issues with her mother.

Well, this would be a good strategy! But if they were going this route they would not need to accuse Kronk or try to find evidence that the body was moved or that it was not at suburban drive when TES searched. So, no, they are not this smart.

 

[watergirl]

:waitasec:

Ok, i must have missed something, so lets play

FILL IN THE BLANK!

We know that Judge Eaton was not at the hearing via HHJBP's request because

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:waitasec:

Does anyone think that HHJBP might have consulted with HHJE since he is treading oh-so-carefully? Maybe they were both playin' the tight-booted one. Hes so full of himself, it seems it would be relatively easy for those who have known him for years to manipulate that crazy huge ego. ha

:loser:

 

[Intermezzo]

Doesn't Baez understand about probable cause. This team had to be taught the difference between a Frye hearing and an evidentary hearing on Monday. Are they serious...if they continue to insert private citizens into ICA's drama, His Honor is correct, there will be other lawsuits following...for them..what an embarassement to those attorneys who do work diligently on their cases...what a fiasco Baez is creating...JMHO

Baez cannot continue on with his pointless wants. Why is he so focused on 'bloggers'? Why doesn't he just work with the evidence at hand instead of trying to create evidence that isn't there?

What ever happened to the allegations of witness tampering with the defenses PI?

Justice for Caylee

IMO
Baez understands probable cause, but only when it applies to his client..

Frye hearing, evidentiary hearing, investigative supbpoena etc...Baez has been "taught" by the Judge and Prosecution since the beginning of this case...

:twocents:

 

[TotallyObsessed]

Well, this would be a good strategy! But if they were going this route they would not need to accuse Kronk or try to find evidence that the body was moved or that it was not at suburban drive when TES searched. So, no, they are not this smart.

But they are not "accusing" Kronk...just poking big holes in him so as to create reasonable doubt. The more holes, the bigger chance to gain an acquittal.

We just had a huge murder trial here where I live, of a prominent city commissioner accused of murdering his longtime girlfried (he was married and openly carrying on an affair) in her driveway. His car was spotted driving off out of the neighborhood after neighbors heard the gunshot. Because the victim had once before tried to commit suicide, his defense was that she shot herself. Shotty investigative work (no testing of him of gun residue, etc) provided for no concrete, conclusive evidence. There was one idiotic juror who held out - a mistrial was declared. All it takes is one juror to have reasonable doubt. NO it wasn't an acquittal, but how much you want to bet JB and company will take a mistrial over a guilty verdict any day.

 

[zoey]

I believe JB is even so ....how to say it nicely....inexperienced and uninformed as to believe that the State has no concrete evidence. Just circumstantial. He may very well be planning on KC taking the stand to tell her story (and what a story that would be).

That would explain for me the heavy emphasis thus far on the death penalty attorneys and mitigating factor attorneys vs. any real expert rebuttal witnesses for the defense. It is all geared up to get an acquittal on the death penalty charge. His goal has been not to clear her of murder charges, but to obtain an acquittal and show through mitigating circumstances why she acted as she did. Period. Lord knows CA and GA's behavior would certainly play into that.

I will go so far to say that if, IF he were to pull this off, he would be looked at as a legal genius.

God forbid this is where he is going, but it really seems clear to me.
But I also might still be asleep and dreaming as it is 6:00 am and I haven't finished my second cup of coffee.

I truly believe that jb wanted a trial by ambush---think he was truly hoping to have a Perry Mason moment---try to throw the SA off their game--his big problem is that the SA is expereienced---where as him????

I also can't figure out why others keep signing up--baffles me! There isn't any money at this point so why???? foolish asperactions???

They also need to lay off of the SA having more power than them---the whining needs to stop! Yesterday almost was like having my kids in school and not doing all their homework due to being on the computer--

 

[A_News_Junkie]

I think the reason the State asked for a staggered schedule was because they know the 4:59pm games the defense plays and they don't want it dropped all at once.
Jack of clubs - meet Ace of Spades.

*****


We know(I only think) that Judge Eaton was not at the hearing via HHJBP's request because

_He would not have called his presence out and CM reaction tells me he was there by CM invitation. IMHO, etc.________________.

 

[strawberry]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8twqTVs6ZGY


Good Lord...they are Fishing...

Judge Perry has to ask the same question more than once and rephrase it before Baez even anwers....and then when he does he doesn't even know if the photo's they want even exist.

JBP..."on the blogs did Mr Jordan specifically state he had taken pictures of Suburban Drive where the body was located and the date and approx. time of those photographs or was it people on the blogoshphere chit chatting?"

Baez: starts to tell a story

JB" Mr Baez, Mr Jordan is a citizen, if law enforcement was attempting to get a search warrant they would need probable cause to invade that citizens space...I am asking you did He, affirmatively say in a blog that he had taken pictures of Suburban drive that he has/had some relevancy to this case....I am trying to distinguish if your going on a general fishing expedition or is there something specific that can lead to the discovery of tangible evidence"

Baez "I am not asking for a licence to fish...I have emails to LE and copies of his blogs where he states he has photographs...."

JBP "does he say he has photographs or does some unknown person say he has photographs?"

Baez " Neither...I can tell you he has photographs of other searches that we were able to find..

Thank you for posting this!! I couldn't find it!