2011.01.05 Hearing TES Volunteer Computer Subpoena

[RR0004]

Yeah and I think the confusion was intentional on JB's part, that he hopes HHJP isn't aware of those facts floating around on the WORLD WIDE WEB, lol. There was never an indication that the stuff taken into evidence that day was material or relevant in any way, he was leaving that out to allude that it was something important from the actual crime scene to which he was being denied access, like he always does.

I'm starting to think there is an inverse and measurable relationship to how poor pieces of this defense case is by how loudly they kvetch about the state being the Big Bad Wolf. It reminds me of how that camp would pull something in the media right before a particularly damaging doc dump. (I used to say it was like "Look! Caylee's Comet!" Their strategy is so predictable and transparent, we could probably use it as a pair of prescription glasses.

...and JJ's poor attorney at one point got caught in the middle of all the BS. So JJ wasn't even in the court room, was he?

PS- I liked his attorney...and his filing. Not sure about his other attorney, but this guy knew his stuff. Wonder if he felt a need to upgrade.

 

[cecybeans]

Eaton is/was not a Judge in the Orange/Osceola County 9th Judicial circuit court but with the Seminole/Brevard County 18th Judicial Circuit Court..

I believe Judge Eaton(recently retired) was at the hearing because Mason asked him, for whatever reason
Mason was surprised to hear that Eaton had left the room..he said he should not have...

I thought that at first as well, but doesn't he sit on a bunch of administrative review boards or something to that effect? I thought maybe he might not have retired from those kinds of positions. However, even if he did and was somehow there to actually observe the head judge of another district, I doubt he would have done something that impolitic and tacky as show up in person like it was the OK Corral or something.

Not when all he has to do is REGISTER for a blog and stream all the hearings he could possibly want to review, along with our scintillating chit chat.

 

[logicalgirl]

...and JJ's poor attorney at one point got caught in the middle of all the BS. So JJ wasn't even in the court room, was he?

PS- I liked his attorney...and his filing. Not sure about his other attorney, but this guy knew his stuff. Wonder if he felt a need to upgrade.

I like his signature - hilarious! Why didn't I think of that!

 

[logicalgirl]

What actually surprises me about Baez and yes, also CM, is that instead of making an attempt to actually defend ICA - they are still digging around in the hat trying to find the rabbit to pull out! WTH - with all that evidence against her??? :loser:

And what was Baez muttering about that he still has several things he is investigating and going to "bring forth" but HHJP is clearly interrupting his work by insisting he file his expert reports when "he didn't have to and now he does". What the heck is he up to???? :furious:

Baez - listen up! You aren't going to find the miracle shortcut to this defense!:banghead:

 

[The World According]

at 13:43 mark..........I wonder what JB was referring to when he said that there are items that JJ had found and then turned over to LE that show's that ..." this person was extremely close".....close to what?....he was very close to the site where Caylee was found?.....I need to re listen to it again.....the only photo's so far that have been public was the JBP ones right?.....the black tank top.....green panty/swim bottom etc....are those the items JB is talking about?.....if so....then what was JJ so close too?

He was wrong on the facts, wrong on the law, as usual. I could write a long blog about it, but that sums it up. Sad, tired and pitiful.
http://www.google.com/url?sa=t&sour...tdW0AQ&usg=AFQjCNE1xenZDa7qSpXbhxtYFYQjRZ_7hQ
sniped from above
"I'm genuinely concerned about the form you are describing. Based on what you told me last night and then again today that me be a fabricated form that is being utilized by the defense," Orange County Sheriff's Office Corporal Eric Edwards said in an interview with Texas Equuesearch Joe Jordan.

He told deputies that back in September of 2008 that he was pretty close to where Caylee's remains were found off Suburban Drive. "We just came out because the water. The water was just too much. It was like knee deep at that point."

http://www.myfoxorlando.com/generic...io-file-archive-in-Casey-Anthony-murder-trial
Jordan called deputies months after Caylee's remains were found with concern about some Texas Equusearch documents presented to him by a private investigator for Casey Anthony's defense team.[/B]"The field activity report says Odyssey Middle School. In quotation it had my name on it. It was listed in a female handwriting. I said I didn't search Odyssey Middle School and I didn't search the day they found the cross in Blanchard Park," said Joe Jordan.

Even more concerning to Jordan, months before that meeting he was contacted by another volunteer named Laura Buchanan, a woman who claimed she'd searched with him serving as team leader, who Jordan says filled out the = documents he's questioning.

"I don't think I've ever searched with Laura Buchanan. I looked her up on the internet on Myspace and Facebook or whatever and I don't recognize the woman,"Jordan told investigators.

Investigators told Jordan they'd look into the authenticity of that document that Jordan was shown. Towards the end of the interview with investigators Jordan told them, "I think everybody got involved to help search for a missing girl and obviously we're not trained to do these types of things. We should have just let you guys do your jobs. Now I regret ever going out."
My hope is that the defense now understands that when their investigator finishes looking into the background of the other 3,999 TES volunteers, or whatever it is he bills for, they will know they may not get to demand photos and their blogs be produced. WOW. After this, if I were a TES volunteer, and I saw JL at my door, and he wouldn't politely leave.....I would ll place two phone calls, one to Kathi Belich and one to the local street sweeper; because, he would get what my jr. high school girlfriends in Detroit used to call...kicked to the curb! [ame]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lgLFZZiHITQ[/ame]
Pulling this little stunt with Joe Jordan effectively shuts down ANY searcher from even giving them the time of day. I would sooner invite in a vaccum cleaner salesman than someone working for this defense team. They shoot themselves in the foot, each and every time, without exception. In my humble opinion.
News flash for Laura, if they will do it with ya, they will do it to ya. You must be careful not to be the next sacrificial lamb, because if they have to point to you to absolve themselves....consult your eightball for those odds. Some of them strike me as the kind to say , if I am going down, I WONT be going down alone. Yikes. MOO

This was the narrow approach they agreed to take with the searchers, what they are asking of Mr. Jordan, falls far outside of it, it is as if they agree to something or shake their head to the judge's order, turn on their heel and begin to ignore it.
http://media.myfoxorlando.com/photogalleries/091410AnthonyMotions/indexGallery.htm

 

[faefrost]

I thought that at first as well, but doesn't he sit on a bunch of administrative review boards or something to that effect? I thought maybe he might not have retired from those kinds of positions. However, even if he did and was somehow there to actually observe the head judge of another district, I doubt he would have done something that impolitic and tacky as show up in person like it was the OK Corral or something.

Not when all he has to do is REGISTER for a blog and stream all the hearings he could possibly want to review, along with our scintillating chit chat.

I'm thinking he was there because CM asked him to be there. Either as some element of some sort of planned judicial complaint regarding the sanctions, or in an effort to get him to sign on to the defense team. CM was pretty shocked and thrown off stride when he left before the hearing was over. I'm guessing that gave him his answer either way.

And if Judge Eaton was just there to observe for his own purposes, be it some legal writings he was working on, or whatever, I don't think HHJP would have pointed it out from the bench. While HHJP is a very plain spoken individual, everything he says from the bench is very carefully thought out and measured. There was A LOT of communication going on in his pointing out Judge Eaton's departure to CM, and HHJP was enjoying every second of it.

 

[logicalgirl]

I thought that at first as well, but doesn't he sit on a bunch of administrative review boards or something to that effect? I thought maybe he might not have retired from those kinds of positions. However, even if he did and was somehow there to actually observe the head judge of another district, I doubt he would have done something that impolitic and tacky as show up in person like it was the OK Corral or something.

Not when all he has to do is REGISTER for a blog and stream all the hearings he could possibly want to review, along with our scintillating chit chat.

I loved it when HHJP said we "chit chat" - he sounds to me like he has visited a few blogs.
I also really admire that sense of lightness and humor that is constantly peeking out "when the judge is in session".

 

[faefrost]

Here's what's stuck in my craw. ICA not being there today. She is in a cell 23 hours a day. It's not as if she has a job or even a social schedule except her soap opera. If I were Judge Perry ICA would be sitting there unless she was in a coma and I would ask her each and every appearance if she were satisfied with her council.

Don't get me wrong I absolutely love Judge Perry because before him the wheels of justice were just spinning and going nowhere and I can see that he's on top of his game. IMO he's the best change that could have happened for this case.

I could be wrong on this, but since this hearing was not something that was a direct element of her case she probably had the option to attend or not attend. This was not a hearing where they were arguing with the state whether something should be allowed into evidence. This was between her lawyers and Joe Jordans over what cause they could show to force him to produce personal records and materials. While related to her case I suspect that much like the JAC stuff it is not something that she is 100% required to attend.

And as much as I like everyone else do not care for her murdering ways, I can understand that attending a hearing for her is not quite the simple act of sitting and listening. She is the center of attention and news stories whenever she is visable, being subjected to some of the nastiest critiques of every facial expression, whatever they choose to dress her in, her latest prison hair style, whatever. I can fully understand why she would opt to skip this non required hearing. Especially after the gut punch that was mondays.

 

[chefmom]

Trying to catch up and am watching the video of the trial. I have to say, I can't believe that JB is going to stand there and argue that he should be able to get these photos and records from JJ because he put it on the world wide web for all to see, yet he wants to prohibit the use of KC and CA's MySpace "bloggings" that they placed out there for all to see! Pot, this is kettle!

 

[Muzikman]

I could be wrong on this, but since this hearing was not something that was a direct element of her case she probably had the option to attend or not attend. This was not a hearing where they were arguing with the state whether something should be allowed into evidence. This was between her lawyers and Joe Jordans over what cause they could show to force him to produce personal records and materials. While related to her case I suspect that much like the JAC stuff it is not something that she is 100% required to attend.

And as much as I like everyone else do not care for her murdering ways, I can understand that attending a hearing for her is not quite the simple act of sitting and listening. She is the center of attention and news stories whenever she is visable, being subjected to some of the nastiest critiques of every facial expression, whatever they choose to dress her in, her latest prison hair style, whatever. I can fully understand why she would opt to skip this non required hearing. Especially after the gut punch that was mondays.

I wish that she would have been required to attend - simply to see one of the most obvious cases of Baez's ineptness that we have seen to date.

The more she sees of that, the more likely she will cave and cop a plea. IMO

 

[A_News_Junkie]

When we do finally get the video up, I am picturing in my own lil head all WS members joining together...like the 'flash Mob' at the mall seen a few months ago ( on the "world wide web" lol ) singing, Hallelujah !! Thanks to all involved!

OMG -- I watched this 30 to 50 times this season! And your right, this is what teamwork feels like!

[ame]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SXh7JR9oKVE[/ame]

 

[Itsy]

Thanks again to MM & A_News_Junkie for the video. And to everyone else for the running commentary and their OPINIONS about the hearing, lol. :grouphug:
And to AZLawyer for her educational "blogs" along with the other professionals that do the same.

I've got to be a good girl the rest of the month - did not do ANY work after I got home tonight & had planned on knocking out 3 client's stuff. Rules for self for the rest of this month:

1.) Turn.Off.Computer.Every.Night.
2.) No turning on of said computer until 10pm the next night!
(Well, except for the 14th, which is a Friday, thank God!! - and any very important hearings that may come up....which is so possible that I have to have rule #3, lmao)
3.) hmmm, RE: rule #2 - remember what happens to people that don't do their work on time. :innocent:
4.) Too tired to think of more, but I'm sure there's some good ones...

fftobed:

PS - I also feel "in my gut" that Eaton was there Monday by request of Mason for something. HHJP knew it and was sure to point out that Eaton was leaving. Mason's reaction was too dumbfounded & I felt right then that something was up when I learned who Eaton was...I don't think he just stopped by - he'd retired on Friday & I know I sure wouldn't be back at "the office" the next Monday (altho I realize that some would be, lol).

 

[Ada]

OMG -- I watched this 30 to 50 times this season! And your right, this is what teamwork feels like!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SXh7JR9oKVE

Awesome! I'm not Christian, yet, this brought me to happy tears.

 

[A_News_Junkie]

at 13:43 mark..........I wonder what JB was referring to when he said that there are items that JJ had found and then turned over to LE that show's that ..." this person was extremely close".....close to what?....he was very close to the site where Caylee was found?.....I need to re listen to it again.....the only photo's so far that have been public was the JBP ones right?.....the black tank top.....green panty/swim bottom etc....are those the items JB is talking about?.....if so....then what was JJ so close too?

:seeya: PICK ME, PICK ME - I know.

JAY BLANCHARD PARK!

 

[Horace Finklestein]

The Defense wouldn't be so stressed out about bloggers and posters if we believed in their defense. Screaming, "NO Fair!" at the top of your lungs all day long won't suffice as a defense.
1) You got Strickland to recuse himself.
2) You now have HHJP. Who is unparalled in his knowledge of Florida criminal law, as a Judge and refuses to allow by any error on his own part, you to have ANY room for appeal.
3) You are now threatening HHJP because he will not fall for your BS defense of your client with another Judge.

This TURKEY is going to trial. Ask yourself, why is it, that your esteemed client, won't just end this CIRCUS, which by my count has so many innocent victims being thrown under the bus, though the ultimate victim is a murdered 2 year old girl. WHY? Is it because JB told her initially he thought he could get her off? We have the impression that Casey doesn't exactly dabble in reality...so I get that she likely never had the intention at all of even admitting at this point anything relevant to the case.

People are suffering! All Cheney Mason seems to be doing, as other posters have suggested, is to end his career by challenging the Sunshine Law and other laws that he has deemed unfair to defendents. CM may be doing some things deliberately, but he has to know at the end of the day, they will be stuck with a guilty verdict.

"UNFAIRNESS" the defense is screaming.

LitteBitty screams back, "Unfairness is a 2 year old child that will never got to open her
3rd birthday presents. Unfairness is a client who is being clothed, housed, fed by the state. Unfairness is a state having to foot the bill for said client. Unfairness cannot be argued by those who FOUGHT against a gag order and then complain that evidence is released to the public. Unfairness is asking a courtroom for subpoenas because you might have a feeling somebody might have something. Unfairness is NOT the fact that YOUR client waited 31 days to mention her child was missing; I will not use the word report and while I am loathe to credit Cindy with anything, she was the one to report Caylee missing. Unfairness is what has been done to professionals (lawyers, experts), TES workers, the founder of TES, neighbors, well meaning people...in the name of UNFAIRNESS to CASEY ANTHONY.

Stop crying unfairness. LittleBitty does not and would not carry if the UNFAIRNESS fairy came down from UNFAIR land waved a wand and "poof" you were whisked to the stand of a trial against YOU for wasting the taxpayer's money and for wasting the time of the Lady of Justice. Period.

Good points. They were the ones creating this circus to begin with by bringing in high profile lawyers (why are they called high profile, Baez?) and ridiculously unnecessary "experts" like Dr. Lee who are only there for name recognition... it's not like they've been trying to be subtle and fly under the radar here...

 

[Intermezzo]

OMG -- I watched this 30 to 50 times this season! And your right, this is what teamwork feels like!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SXh7JR9oKVE

thanks..it was great to see it again...

We have friends and family in Ontario that sent us a link..the group is called Chorus Niagara

the singing was beautiful and the acoustics in that food court must be great...

 

[Kimmer]

Well here is my thoughts on JB being so curious about us "bloggers" and the content of what we say, I think there has been someone registered here since the summer of 08, and that person is feeding information to JB and crew about what is being said and by whom on certain threads, they very well may be printing them out and giving them to the Defence or letting the paralegal know where they are......I defiantly think that they are watching everything that is being said here....But after todays ruling is was made abundantly clear that we are average citizens with our opinions and that JB will not be able to pull out his "fishing pole" and go after us for making comments....

I also feel that we are certainly going to see JB try and go after JBP for the deadline ruling on the expert witness reports...I also think that JA is wanting the reports staggered for another reason, since JB was not leveed with contempt of court or and the $500 a day fine, that JA would like JB to have numerous deadline (staggered), being as JB was unable to meet the discovery deadline (twice) then I think JA knows that there is no way JB will be able to meet multiple deadlines (even with a colour coded chart), and if he cannot meet those then I certainly think that JP will find him in contempt and hit him in the wallet hard, You could tell Monday before JP had a sidebar with JB and CM that he was saying something in open court about the $500, so my guess is they were both told if they screw around and miss anymore deadlines that is what they can both expect, so what does JB do the very next day he tells JP that he will have more paperwork heading the courts way about the reports and the fact that his ruling was not fair (in so many words) and I also found it interesting that JB told JP that the reason he asked for 20 days was because he was denied the 30 days, not that he requested 20 days because it would take the experts that long to get them in...And you can bet that this information was not lost on JP....I say JP hit them where it hurts and if they go to jail or can't pay the fines then refuse to hear anymore of their motion, things are getting very interesting to say the least.

 

[Trapshooter]

I just now watched the video from today's hearing. When Mr. McClellan (sp?) objected to Baez's statement, shouldn't Baez have shut up long enough to let His Honor rule? Baez seriously kept on "I think there is, I think there is...". :loser:

Another quick question....all the JJ photos are from J. Blanchard Park right? I don't recall seeing any photos from JJ at Suburban Drive?

 

[sumbunny]

Trying to catch up and am watching the video of the trial. I have to say, I can't believe that JB is going to stand there and argue that he should be able to get these photos and records from JJ because he put it on the world wide web for all to see, yet he wants to prohibit the use of KC and CA's MySpace "bloggings" that they placed out there for all to see! Pot, this is kettle!

Perhaps that is Baez' backwards thinking. If the judge won't allow the bloggers web pages with comments to become evidence, then perhaps...just maybe..he can squeeze in his theory of Casey and Cindy's blogging pages should be tossed out as well.

I'm really trying hard to figure out the defense strategy.
So far..I've come up with diddly dip squat.

 

[Trapshooter]

Kimmer I think the defense actually reads here and gets quite a few ideas from here! lol (lots of luck) :wink:

If Baez is looking for a SODDI on the WWW, well, LOL on that too!