2011.01.05 Hearing TES Volunteer Computer Subpoena

[MD MOMMY]

My impressions of the hearing...Baez didn't sound so bad...he just wasn't exactly sure where he was going with this, IMO, probably because the law didn't support his arguments. His PI has had a whole lot of experience with JJ...why they waited till after the depo to find out background info is beyond me. Baez just seemed ill-prepared. If he followed the "blogs" he would know that pics of the exact area Caylee was found didn't exist...if they did, I'm sure JJ would have handed them over to LE. Now, I probably will get heat for this...but by emailing LE his personal opinions, he did open himself up to questioning. He earned a deposition...and it was done. Not JJ's fault that JB can't accept what he said...but I can see why the defense filed this motion. Unfortunately for them, there was no legal basis to grant it.

To jump off your post and I'm not attacking JJ, I don't know him from Adam. Not only did he insert himself, he emailed LE and jumped the gun before he knew what he was talking about. He made assumptions and accusations that he searched that area and that someone else had to of put Caylee there. He certainly deserved a depo, he's lucky that is all he got actually. He could have gotten in serious trouble in regards to the unlawful recording.

 

[RR0004]

hehehe..I say it was "a senior moment".

He likes to use that excuse.:floorlaugh:

Yikes...seeing CM behave the way he did...I'm speechless. Guess he had something better to do.

 

[TakeNote]

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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8twqTVs6ZGY
the hearing

at 13:43 mark..........I wonder what JB was referring to when he said that there are items that JJ had found and then turned over to LE that show's that ..." this person was extremely close".....close to what?....he was very close to the site where Caylee was found?.....I need to re listen to it again.....the only photo's so far that have been public was the JBP ones right?.....the black tank top.....green panty/swim bottom etc....are those the items JB is talking about?.....if so....then what was JJ so close too?

 

[MD MOMMY]

The sad thing is, I think if KC would have reported her daughter missing even if it would have been a few hours before CA came and drug it out of her, I think the accident theory could have flown. At the very least she would not be facing the death penalty. Then we would have never heard the car smells like a dead body's been in the trunk...ect. If you think about it, Caylee was not found until Dec. The evidence would have still been pretty much washed away. The Zanny the Nanny story and never reporting her missing as well as the party photos during the time period and the statements by GA and CA to the police and 911 call are really the factors that I think will prevent her from ever being free again.

I disagree, it's tough to claim accident when duct tape is involved IMO. Yeah ICA could have said it was to prevent decomp fluids from leaking, but how disingenuous and completely unbelievable does that sound?

 

[beach]

I may be way off here, but I thought HHJP was making a joke to CM about Eaton's leaving. He said something to the effect of "what did you do to him?" which I took to mean that HHJP was teasing CM that a prominent DP judge who was observing had (perhaps) left in (perhaps) disgust. If CM actually invited a judge from another circuit to observe and give him pointers, or if he invited him to intimidate HHJP, it obviously didn't have the intended effect.

I wouldn't think even CM would be capricious enough to risk the wrath of the head of the 9th Circuit by yet again trying to have a judge recused. CM and JB are barely afloat on the quagmire of quicksand they've already created and don't look like they've brought life preservers.

cecy, I re-read your post and realized I misunderstood you when I answered in haste before. I first interpreted it as you thought he was joking - meaning that Eaton really wasn't really leaving. Now I understand what you are saying. :blushing:

I agree it was a back-handed little oke:. I took it as HHJP letting CM know that he was "on to him" with a .

 

[RR0004]

To jump off your post and I'm not attacking JJ, I don't know him from Adam. Not only did he insert himself, he emailed LE and jumped the gun before he knew what he was talking about. He made assumptions and accusations that he searched that area and that someone else had to of put Caylee there. He certainly deserved a depo, he's lucky that is all he got actually. He could have gotten in serious trouble in regards to the unlawful recording.

I so agree. I'm glad that he was out there searching for Caylee...but there's a real fine line that separates a lot of these folks who have their names attached to this case.
And for Pete's sake, think before you press "send".

 

[cyberborg]

I disagree, it's tough to claim accident when duct tape is involved IMO. Yeah ICA could have said it was to prevent decomp fluids from leaking, but how disingenuous and completely unbelievable does that sound?

The duct tape is a HUGE problem no matter how it is spun. If it is spun as dealing with decomp then ... few people could handle a dead body in that way ... never mind their own child.

Ugly coping would go to denial, that Caylee was not really dead ... so ICA would leave her, go nowhere near her and, deny to herself.

To carry remains in a trunk, duct tape, attempt to bury, triple bag, move, dump ... all goes to conscience of guilt and a desperate need to cover up, despite the horror of it all -- not ugly coping.

The visuals and experiences that ICA witnessed are her recipe for horrific nightmares and cold sweats.

 

[MD MOMMY]

I so agree. I'm glad that he was out there searching for Caylee...but there's a real fine line that separates a lot of these folks who have their names attached to this case.
And for Pete's sake, think before you press "send".

Ya know it was great to see pictures of JBP and what was found BUT per his agreement with TES, that shouldn't even of happened. I was very annoyed when they surfaced and my opinion of him in my mind wasn't so great. I commend him for searching I just don't necessarily agree with his actions during and after:innocent:

 

[MD MOMMY]

The duct tape is a HUGE problem no matter how it is spun. If it is spun as dealing with decomp then ... few people could handle a dead body in that way ... never mind their own child.

Ugly coping would go to denial, that Caylee was not really dead ... so ICA would leave her, go nowhere near her and, deny to herself.

To carry remains in a trunk, duct tape, attempt to bury, triple bag, move, dump ... all goes to conscience of guilt and a desperate need to cover up, despite the horror of it all -- not ugly coping.

The visuals and experiences that ICA witnessed are her recipe for horrific nightmares and cold sweats.

ITA, I have looked at this objectively from every single angle possible. I can never get past the duct tape. If she says she put it there for decomp purposes ew, who would even think that let alone a mom who's child was accidentally harmed? The duct tape is a huge problemo. The women on the jury are going to be horrified. The men on the jury, who thinks duct tape is their best friend, are well, going to be horrified.

 

[A_News_Junkie]

And that - JB and CM is what you call teamwork!

Thanks to TWA and Muzikman for taking over where my skill set left off. Thanks to Lera for teaching me about quality in the background. If I need to ever do it again - It won't be so grainy!

Same disclaimer applies to this one TWA posted -- no picking on me for the over shots and the fast forwards of commercials. I recommend dramamine!

 

[Muzikman]

Ya know it was great to see pictures of JBP and what was found BUT per his agreement with TES, that shouldn't even of happened. I was very annoyed when they surfaced and my opinion of him in my mind wasn't so great. I commend him for searching I just don't necessarily agree with his actions during and after:innocent:

BBM - To be fair, I believe the search where he found those items was an independent search with a small group, not with TES.

 

[cecybeans]

I think the technical term for what CM was trying very hard to pull off today is " I'M NOT WITH HIM!"

I think HHJP may have pulled off a strategically brilliant act that will greatly help in moving the case forward, with regards to the sanctions ruling and the associated commentary on Monday. he Sanctioned JB and not CM, but at the same time left it open regarding holding ALL of them including C "I've never been cited for contempt in a 40 year career" M.

Now someone above asked if we would be seeing CM attempt to flee the sinking ship. here's the catch. he's the Death Penalty qualified attorney of record. he can't. At least not without the judges permission, which is rather obviously not going to be easily forthcoming.

Now to further add to this, JB cannot choose to leave either. He is even more firmly locked in by the new Florida law that prevents a private attorney, who has recieved payment, to bail on a case once a defendant is declared indigent. So he's stuck too.

Now for HHJP to forcibly remove a lawyer from the case... that is more than problematic. It is not something that a judge ever wants to get involved in, and would certainly massively delay the trial. However the defendant has the option of firing lawyers (at least the private ones). The judge has to approve their departure, but it is doubtful that he would choose to force a lawyer to stay against her wishes (unless they were the only DP attorney on the team).

So now with the threat of contempt hanging over their heads, and no sign of the courtroom bruisings ending, CM has got to be starting to wonder what he can do to get JB out of the picture once and for all. if just to protect himself. (That was the brilliant part in HHJP's santions decision. CM has no reason and no benefit to be gained by helping JB further delay the reports or fight the sanctions. attempting to do so opens CM up to contempt charges that he knows he just barely dodged. he just wants JB to shut up, produce the reports and pay the bill). Now CM is one of the few that can actually talk to KC and try and steer her in that direction away from JB. I suspect his body language today seeking to ignore and isolate himself from JB is just the beginning of something like this.

Excellent post - ITA. As narcissistically delusional as Ms. Anthony comes across, I think we can thank JB for isolating her from her family. Any other defense attorney who had a client whose family was so rabidly defending her in the media would have considered it a good thing for them to be in close contact. If the reticence to visit family was from the defendant, decent counsel would have told her to "suck it up, buttercup" and put forth a good front for the public and press. The fact that CA comes across in court like a social wanna-be trying desperately to get the attention of the head Mean Girl, particularly added to all the little tidbits we've seen that indicate the family is privately appalled and disgusted with her choice of attorney, makes me think that Jose Svengali is the one that has been egging KC on all this time. While it's true that the current strategy (for mitigation purposes) may be to throw an Anthony-any Anthony under a bus, I think that tack came late in the game (say, about the time AL signed on and took a look at the sticky SODDI spaghetti mess JB had made all over the sofa and mentioned that he wasn't doing his client any favors by not paying attention to the penalty phase, because a defense that depends on creating reasonable doubt to avoid a guilty sentence is just never gonna happen with this pig). JB has been playing the isolation game since the minute he signed on. Her parents had to sneak into jail to see her when he was out of town for that famous interview.

I'm sure that AL tried to get her alone and talk some sense into her (and might well have if she had sent somebody like Jose Garcia in there to talk to her) and perhaps CM is trying to get close but I suspect JB is acting very proprietary about his client and it hasn't been easy.

However, I've been watching KC's body language in court and even though she still acts very familiar with JB, oftentimes of late, she has looked at CM first when asking questions. The sanction of JB in court may have also been done for her benefit. Seeing him humiliated (if she is smart enough to connect the dots) might help create yet another crack in the facade that JB is not really her White Knight but more like the Court Jester.

The court can't do much about JB's presence, but it might not be too late for KC herself to can his arse. Let's hope, although JB has offered us all hours and hours and hours of entertainment with his bumbling, arrogant, disrespectful and whiny ramblings.

 

[RR0004]

at 13:43 mark..........I wonder what JB was referring to when he said that there are items that JJ had found and then turned over to LE that show's that ..." this person was extremely close".....close to what?....he was very close to the site where Caylee was found?.....I need to re listen to it again.....the only photo's so far that have been public was the JBP ones right?.....the black tank top.....green panty/swim bottom etc....are those the items JB is talking about?.....if so....then what was JJ so close too?

I think there's confusion here with BP.

 

[wonders]

Here's what's stuck in my craw. ICA not being there today. She is in a cell 23 hours a day. It's not as if she has a job or even a social schedule except her soap opera. If I were Judge Perry ICA would be sitting there unless she was in a coma and I would ask her each and every appearance if she were satisfied with her council.

Don't get me wrong I absolutely love Judge Perry because before him the wheels of justice were just spinning and going nowhere and I can see that he's on top of his game. IMO he's the best change that could have happened for this case.

 

[Intermezzo]

[/B]

BBM (bolded by me) but for CM (best buy for manana)

This article describes a case I think JB would like to use somehow..
but wouldn't ICA have to get on the stand to bring it into play?

In 1998, Lykkebak represented a topless dancer, Rachel Reed, 22, whose 1-year-old daughter and a playmate had drowned in a pool after wandering into the backyard while Reed was asleep. Prosecutors charged Reed with manslaughter.

Eaton presided at her trial. After hearing only the state's case, he granted a judgment of acquittal, finding Reed not guilty. If Reed were convicted, the judge said, then any parent whose child was ever hurt or killed during a moment of inattention could be put on trial.

Hope this is only 10%.

Coincidence....
The attorney in the above case, Lykkebak, is also a co-counsel with Mason on his other high profile case.

 

[LinasK]

Yet I think Casey is happy with JB, and likes what he's putting up as her defense. (He's alot like her!) She won't ever claim it was an accident, or plead out IMO- her ego won't allow it. She's a female Scott Peterson, and will go to Death Row sticking to her story!:twocents: SODDI was his defense too!!!

The irony I believe- is that claiming it was an accident would be a lie, like her propensity- yet it is the one thing she feels she must tell the truth about, as it was no accident. She wanted Caylee gone, she never wanted Caylee and had been researching plans for months...:cow:

 

[RR0004]

I love it. HHJBP actually used "pacific"when talking about fishing.

Oh, LL...you are so funny!

 

[Intermezzo]

You could very well be right here. We have no evidence that the Judge was there on the request of CM -- he could have been in the courthouse, saw this hearing going on and came in for a minute or two. When he decided to leave, JP might have just made a "funny" at the expense of CM. That's all. It could also explain (well, not much to explain it...) but it could explain CM's confusion. He really didn't even know the judge was there, until JP said something. JMO

Eaton is/was not a Judge in the Orange/Osceola County 9th Judicial circuit court but with the Seminole/Brevard County 18th Judicial Circuit Court..and was, I believe, the Criminal Division Administrative Judge for Seminole County and a past Chief Judge.

I believe Judge Eaton(recently retired) was at the hearing because Mason asked him, for whatever reason..
Mason was surprised to hear that Eaton had left the room..he said he should not have...

Mason and Judge Eaton were called as witness in pre-hearing statements, before the Florida Qualifications Commission, on an Inquiry concerning Judge Eriksson of the Seminole County 18th
judicial court in 2008

http://docs.google.com/viewer?a=v&q...RZ_wmL&sig=AHIEtbRrDoFAnpC2WonnCG_sXc8m1zzFCA

 

[cecybeans]

I think there's confusion here with BP.

Yeah and I think the confusion was intentional on JB's part, that he hopes HHJP isn't aware of those facts floating around on the WORLD WIDE WEB, lol. There was never an indication that the stuff taken into evidence that day was material or relevant in any way, he was leaving that out to allude that it was something important from the actual crime scene to which he was being denied access, like he always does.

I'm starting to think there is an inverse and measurable relationship to how poor pieces of this defense case is by how loudly they kvetch about the state being the Big Bad Wolf. It reminds me of how that camp would pull something in the media right before a particularly damaging doc dump. (I used to say it was like "Look! Caylee's Comet!" Their strategy is so predictable and transparent, we could probably use it as a pair of prescription glasses.

 

[logicalgirl]

Eaton is/was not a Judge in the Orange/Osceola County 9th Judicial circuit court but with the Seminole/Brevard County 18th Judicial Circuit Court..

I believe Judge Eaton(recently retired) was at the hearing because Mason asked him, for whatever reason
Mason was surprised to hear that Eaton had left the room..he said he should not have...

but according to Mason - wouldn't the rest of the sentence be "because my presentation isn't finished and I'm the foremost lawyer in Orlando and it's a privilege to listen to me. He can't leave, I'm not finished yet."

Seriously.:tsktsk: