2011.01.06 Baez Slapped with Formal Sanction

[logicalgirl]

I honestly don't know. I'm not even aware of who Lamar Lawson is. Each State Attorney's office delegates differently. You make a very valid point and you may be spot on. I just don't know.

Oh dear I hope someone down the road has answered the Lamar Lawson question. His exact title escapes me for the moment but he is HEAD poobah of the SA, so JA's boss.

Here's my question for you Beach or AZ also if she moves through. If JA held off on cashing the check - you know - just left it laying around on his desk for a couple of weeks - would he inadvertently suffer any sanctions himself?

 

[Itsy]

I think it is showtime and CM is indicating to JA that he has won.

If the Defense comply with HHJP's order for Reciprocal Discovery then the cause is lost ... everyone will see that the Defense have nothing and most experts are not testifying.

CM alluded to this in his controversial motion ... why? Why did he mix the sanctions debacle with some snippets on expert testimony?

CM was signalling that they are indeed backed into a corner and need to save face. CM is signalling to HHJP that they are toast and to JA ... you win.

As a result CM wants the sanction reversed and the check not cashed because the Defense need to talk deal with the SA.

Time is up!! As George Constanza said in Seinfeld, this is a signal JA, this is a signal! We need to talk.

See my dilemma? :crazy: Another thought provoking post - but will SA agree to it? I hope NOT & sure wish I had a vote!

 

[Horace Finklestein]

ITA ... what is wrong with them ?? It doesn't take a legal expert to understand what the sanctions were about ... jeeze
bbm
Exactly!
And hey, in the length of time you took to write a letter to Ashton, Mason, you could have waltzed over to the clerk's office and filed the discovery your sidekick was sanctioned for in the first place ... you know, separately from the motion for reconsideration ??? jeeze :waitasec:

And why did Mason have to do this for Baez? Isn't Baez a licensed legal professional, approved by the FL Bar to practice law? can't he fight his own battles?

 

[Itsy]

Mmmm. You look a little pale. Are you feeling OK? Maybe a day off is what you need to recover. You know - so you can work to your full potential next week.......

I will rest in February - or March, lol...if it weren't for health insurance premiums, I'd not need my side job.

OK, no more OT...

 

[logicalgirl]

I think it is showtime and CM is indicating to JA that he has won.

If the Defense comply with HHJP's order for Reciprocal Discovery then the cause is lost ... everyone will see that the Defense have nothing and most experts are not testifying.

CM alluded to this in his controversial motion ... why? Why did he mix the sanctions debacle with some snippets on expert testimony?

CM was signalling that they are indeed backed into a corner and need to save face. CM is signalling to HHJP that they are toast and to JA ... you win.

As a result CM wants the sanction reversed and the check not cashed because the Defense need to talk deal with the SA.


Time is up!! As George Constanza said in Seinfeld, this is a signal JA, this is a signal! We need to talk.

So, are you talking a plea?? Seriously??? Or am I having a psychotic break here?

 

[beach]

Oh dear I hope someone down the road has answered the Lamar Lawson question. His exact title escapes me for the moment but he is HEAD poobah of the SA, so JA's boss.

Here's my question for you Beach or AZ also if she moves through. If JA held off on cashing the check - you know - just left it laying around on his desk for a couple of weeks - would he inadvertently suffer any sanctions himself?

No, not at all. That check is made out to the State of Florida. They can do whatever they please with it.

And thanks to you and several others for reminding me about Lamar Lawson. When jennyb reminded me of CA accusing him of persuing Casey for political gain, it jogged my memory. Given more thought, I do believe he probably is chiming in strongly by now.

 

[sleutherontheside]

I think it is showtime and CM is indicating to JA that he has won.

If the Defense comply with HHJP's order for Reciprocal Discovery then the cause is lost ... everyone will see that the Defense have nothing and most experts are not testifying.

CM alluded to this in his controversial motion ... why? Why did he mix the sanctions debacle with some snippets on expert testimony?

CM was signalling that they are indeed backed into a corner and need to save face. CM is signalling to HHJP that they are toast and to JA ... you win.

As a result CM wants the sanction reversed and the check not cashed because the Defense need to talk deal with the SA.

Time is up!! As George Constanza said in Seinfeld, this is a signal JA, this is a signal! We need to talk.

Gold star on the forehead.

 

[Purple Iris]

Thinking outside the box:

Is there any statue of limitations on ANY THING that George, Cindy, or Lee could have done, to particiate, etc in this, that they are trying to wear down the timeline on??

We know that all of the Anthony's have lied from the get-go.

My head is spinning from this crap from this past week ~ "Mr. Mason, why wasn't this stuff done?"

"Oh, I can answer that your honor", says Baez.

Baez stands up in court and claims that he was waiting for other papers, cds, etc, and that he didn't think it was a big deal to turn the stuff in the next day.

Mason come stumbling in a few days later, with the traffic report as the excuse.

Now, today, he writes JA and tries to buddy him up, and asking him not to cash the check.

It drives me NUTZZZZZZZ to you guys ~ I can't put anything together in a coherant manner, my mind is just bouncing around like balloon that has had the air let out of it, hitting walls and the ceiling and floor and zipping around looking for a place to land.

I want Ashton to take that letter, have Linda Drane put some Ruby Red lipstick on, and plant a big ole kiss on it, and frame it in a 24 karat gold frame and screw it to his door, with a little brass door knocker under it for the world to see.
Then, just for some added affect, have a little plaque made that says that the "screws" were curtious of Mason and Baez, but, that they were put to "their proper use".

It's CRAZY ~

Beach ~ No, don't stop posting ~ You, as well as so many others that have your heads on straight, and KNOW the rules of the game. We need you, each and every one of you for that matter.
EVERYONE here is needed.

We know that Mason, Baez and their team read here.
Don't give in to them !

You are MUCH smarter than they are, and the trueth is, whatever it is that they are up, once dilvugded, is probably so simple ~ they are NOT that smart.

We are over thinking this, and getting to angry and outraged.
But man-o-man........

Just frame the letter Ashton with that kiss from Linda - that's all I want you to do with that letter tonight ~ please........

 

[logicalgirl]

No, not at all. That check is made out to the State of Florida. They can do whatever they please with it.

And thanks to you and several others for reminding me about Lamar Lawson. When jennyb reminded me of CA accusing him of persuing Casey for political gain, it jogged my memory. Given more thought, I do believe he probably is chiming in strongly by now.

Okay, I actually meant any sanctions for making a decision about when to make a deposit for a check that is not his but in fact is government property. Our feds would have some issues about that I believe.

 

[cyberborg]

So, are you talking a plea?? Seriously??? Or am I having a psychotic break here?

Yes ... they either do it now or do it later. How much face do they want to lose. Each day is only going to get worse.

Time to plea ... or plea just before the verdict ... if they can survive that long?

 

[sleutherontheside]

No, not at all. That check is made out to the State of Florida. They can do whatever they please with it.

And thanks to you and several others for reminding me about Lamar Lawson. When jennyb reminded me of CA accusing him of persuing Casey for political gain, it jogged my memory. Given more thought, I do believe he probably is chiming in strongly by now.

And as much as CM has whined incessantly about the State having more $ at their disposal without JAC constraints, and an uneven playing field.......wouldn't it make sense???

 

[Kentjbkent]

I think it is showtime and CM is indicating to JA that he has won.

If the Defense comply with HHJP's order for Reciprocal Discovery then the cause is lost ... everyone will see that the Defense have nothing and most experts are not testifying.

CM alluded to this in his controversial motion ... why? Why did he mix the sanctions debacle with some snippets on expert testimony?

CM was signalling that they are indeed backed into a corner and need to save face. CM is signalling to HHJP that they are toast and to JA ... you win.

As a result CM wants the sanction reversed and the check not cashed because the Defense need to talk deal with the SA.

Time is up!! As George Constanza said in Seinfeld, this is a signal JA, this is a signal! We need to talk.

I agree with you but I think these talks may have already been taking place prior to the flurry of motions to throw out pretty much all evidence. I personally felt that flurry was done in an effort to push KC into realizing that the courts were not going to disallow much. I think Baez and Mason fully expected HHJP to deny the motions..

Couple of points to ponder....

Why did JA finally take the initiative to file for sanctions when Baez has not been timely in the past?

Perhaps because SA was under the impression they were negotiating and Baez was footdragging again so they turned up the heat.

Why did HHJP address the sanction motion first but then put off ruling on any of the other motions?

Because he is very aware that negotiations were taking place? (see link below)

Exactly what WAS Baez insinuating when he kept patting his pocket while looking JA in the eye at the last hearing?

Because he was trying to get message to JA, based on what KC was writing, that KC was now "ripe" for considering a plea after hearing HHJP play hardball?

Why did HHJP suddenly call Mason to a sidebar, WITHOUT SA, only to return and suddenly conclude the hearing?

Because he wanted to ask Mason whether his client now saw the seriousness of the evidence against her?

WHY HAS BAEZ BEEN SITTING WITH HIS TAIL TUCKED BETWEEN HIS LEGS SAYING AND DOING NOTHING?

Because Mason told him to sit down, shut up, and let him handle this fiasco from now on if he wants any semblence of a career left?

And lastly, so why DID Mason take on another death penalty case today?

Because he is anticipating more free time in the future?

VERY interesting read below....(if font too small to read, hit mag glass on top left corner)

Pay particular attention to the paragraph about how prosecutor, defense and JUDGE all work together as a team for a plea, often leaving the defendent on the outside..

http://books.google.com/books?id=p5...ors work together to encourage a plea&f=false

 

[jennyb]

No, not at all. That check is made out to the State of Florida. They can do whatever they please with it.

And thanks to you and several others for reminding me about Lamar Lawson. When jennyb reminded me of CA accusing him of persuing Casey for political gain, it jogged my memory. Given more thought, I do believe he probably is chiming in strongly by now.

Beach, I should clarify (and I'm sure you agree). I was just putting the Cindy pot-shot in there for context (and yay it did jog your memory - who could forget that ugliness?) -- not saying he's behind this because of any grudge toward the family. I'm sure Cindy's a dime a dozen to this guy.

My main point was whoever Ashton's boss is at this point would have to get involved. A lot is at stake, not the least of which is the reputation of the office and the responsibility to the taxpayers.

But you knew that!

 

[Purple Iris]

To the chagrin of many....

I have been saying for weeks that I personally think plea negotiations have been ongoing...in fact, I am almost convinced of it.

Wonder if Baez was dragging his feet during negotiations (as is his habit) so JA turned up the heat by filing the motion for sanctions...."uhoh Baez...time to....or get off the pot"

Wonder if this letter from CM is not followup to conversation with JA that he would agree to NOT fight Reconsideration Motion so that sanctions would not be on record when case concluded?

Very Interesting ~ And, this could be why Baez has been relatively "silent", not his usual overbearing self.

He has been media shy.

They know that the money is gone - that the state is gonna shut down their cash flow at any minute, and they either don't want to, or can't afford to pay for a horse with a broken leg.
"They shoot horses, don't they"???

Mason is the only one with any money, and he isn't going to put good money out after bad.

Today {?} it was announced that he has taken on another child killer case.

They all are tired and "over this" case, and want out as gracefully as they can go ~

Yes, Lamar Lawson is the one behind Ashton calling the shots - and, I think that whoever said a plea has been in the making, or, at least approached by team Baez and Cheney is spot on.

We've seen how Casey looks in court, and, its obvious, that Cindy has taken a real downward spiral the last few times that we've seen her.

 

[A_News_Junkie]

No, not at all. That check is made out to the State of Florida. They can do whatever they please with it.

And thanks to you and several others for reminding me about Lamar Lawson. When jennyb reminded me of CA accusing him of persuing Casey for political gain, it jogged my memory. Given more thought, I do believe he probably is chiming in strongly by now.

Politically speaking, Mr. Lamar Lawson -- if JB and CM come calling asking for a plea deal....show them the :doorhide: and tell them: :werk:

 

[jennyb]

Thinking outside the box:

Is there any statue of limitations on ANY THING that George, Cindy, or Lee could have done, to particiate, etc in this, that they are trying to wear down the timeline on??

We know that all of the Anthony's have lied from the get-go.

My head is spinning from this crap from this past week ~ "Mr. Mason, why wasn't this stuff done?"

"Oh, I can answer that your honor", says Baez.

Baez stands up in court and claims that he was waiting for other papers, cds, etc, and that he didn't think it was a big deal to turn the stuff in the next day.

Mason come stumbling in a few days later, with the traffic report as the excuse.

Now, today, he writes JA and tries to buddy him up, and asking him not to cash the check.

It drives me NUTZZZZZZZ to you guys ~ I can't put anything together in a coherant manner, my mind is just bouncing around like balloon that has had the air let out of it, hitting walls and the ceiling and floor and zipping around looking for a place to land.

I want Ashton to take that letter, have Linda Drane put some Ruby Red lipstick on, and plant a big ole kiss on it, and frame it in a 24 karat gold frame and screw it to his door, with a little brass door knocker under it for the world to see.
Then, just for some added affect, have a little plaque made that says that the "screws" were curtious of Mason and Baez, but, that they were put to "their proper use".

It's CRAZY ~

Beach ~ No, don't stop posting ~ You, as well as so many others that have your heads on straight, and KNOW the rules of the game. We need you, each and every one of you for that matter.
EVERYONE here is needed.

We know that Mason, Baez and their team read here.
Don't give in to them !

You are MUCH smarter than they are, and the trueth is, whatever it is that they are up, once dilvugded, is probably so simple ~ they are NOT that smart.

We are over thinking this, and getting to angry and outraged.
But man-o-man........

Just frame the letter Ashton with that kiss from Linda - that's all I want you to do with that letter tonight ~ please........

I've read that the statute of limitations on obstruction and accessory after the fact is 4 years. If that's true then we need to get this show on the road!

However, I wonder what the time frame is for financial crimes/fraud if the charges come from the Feds (which is the way I've always felt this might go...)

Just guessing.

 

[RR0004]

Casey Anthony: What are the defense attorneys up to?

http://blogs.orlandosentinel.com/en...tvguy+(TV+Guy)&utm_content=Google+Feedfetcher

I'm starting to get an uneasy feeling about all of this. If we've learned anything, it's that things are not always what they seem. I'd also like to know what's really up...or am I just suffering from an acute case of paranoia?

 

[jennyb]

Politically speaking, Mr. Lamar Lawson -- if JB and CM come calling asking for a plea deal....show them the :doorhide: and tell them: :werk:

HA! That's my feeling too. The defense has been rude, insulting, obnoxious. Really putting the screws to the prosecution and hurting their ability to get their work done.

This ain't the way to a plea deal. This isn't the way to the bargaining table. I don't see it!

Besides, the ball is in the prosecution court. There is no plea being offered. IMO.

 

[Brattigirle]

there was a good faith reason to have followed the court order in the first place. If cm thinks that mr. Ashton saying no will make him look bad or mean -- backfire --- it will make him look professional, strong and on the side of justice for caylee.

ps - caylee had a 'good faith reason' to believe that the mother who brought her into the world would not be the one who took her out. Imho, etc....

bbm
amen ita

 

[Leila]

When I first read this one I was infuriated. How dare CM do this. I mean "please don't cash the check?" Ummm it's not a fee or a fine, it was ordered reimbursement for taxpayer court costs. That money goes back to the taxpayers, not JA. Something CM is well aware of. "Please don't oppose the motion as an act of good faith, so it doesn't negatively impact poor widdle Jose's career". Ummm wut? Have the discovery orders been fully and completely complied with? Have the prosecutors received all of the expert reports that they have requested over and over and over? if not don;t you think a "good faith gesture" might be a tad premature?

But then I keep thinking about this more and more. It's obvious that CM is playing some extremely dirty pool here. I'm just at a loss to figure out exactly who his target is? I mean yeah he may be playing schoolyard games with JA. But to what end? And yet I can't help noticing that all of this. The motion to reconsider. This incredibly obnoxious letter, all of it is coming from CM exclusively. Notice we have not really heard from JB lately. In fact all we have heard from him was he signed and delivered the required check. So the question becomes, just how much is JB involved in fighting all of this? Is this motion and this letter simply a play by CM to portray his co-council as the incompetent boob that we all pretty much suspect he is, in order to force some judicial action against him? Because no matter how I try and spin it I can't see how they will eek anything of benefit out of the SA's or the Judge with this approach. It seems almost guaranteed to wind them all up and send them rabidly chewing after JB? Doesn't it? So is this whole thing some sort of scheme by CM to drive JB out of the picture quickly and rather brutally?

This thought has crossed my mind. Maybe JB is looking for an out. He can't just up and say, "I quit." Unless the court relieves him of his duty as lead defense attorney, he has to stay the course. Is CM's motion calculated to remove JB and have CM take over as lead defense attorney?

If this is the goal, how would CM handle two major cases at the same time (he's got another murder case he's handling, a boyfriend killing a toddler).

Wouldn't this necessitate a delay in the Anthony case while CM gets fully up to speed and retains a co-counsel?