PLEA DEAL REACHED - 4 Univ of Idaho Students Murdered, Bryan Kohberger Arrested, Moscow, Nov 2022 #109

[mickey2942]

So, now we go back to possible defense for BK. Every week it gets thinner. Looks like the only thing AT is working on now, is trying to keep BK from the death penalty. "Mitigation" work on BK's entire life history.

Sorry, MOO, that won't go far with an Idaho jury. Mountain West people are pretty tough, independent folks. They don't really think anyone gets a break from having it tough as a kid. Or having whatever disability AT wants to try to throw on the wall. Another year on trying to find anything probably wouldn't make a difference. I don't see the judge extending the trial date.

Judge hints Kohberger trial could start in August despite delay request

Judge Steven Hippler said he would consider Bryan Kohberger's defense request to delay his Aug. 11 trial date.

www.courttv.com

 

[PunishThenForgive]

I feel terrible for MM, the DoorDash driver.

When MM said to the arresting officer from the back seat, “they’re gonna kill me” if she’s charged with a DUI, I assume she was referring to the defense tearing her apart on the stand, which IMO, will likely happen.

This poor woman is already being torn apart now, for crying out loud. She’s like the new DM.

I can’t believe the unredacted body cam and police station footage is publicly available. Why is this allowed? Complete strangers now know her name, her birthdate, even her past traumas!

Can you imagine having your most embarrassing or private or tragic moments subject to public ridicule? We see her at a terrible moment in her life that would humiliate anyone, let alone someone as vulnerable as she is.

When I first saw the brief clip in which MM claims to know Bryan and to be the DD driver, I was immediately skeptical. Her claims seemed outlandish, delusional. Then I watched the entire video. It took me two seconds afterwards to find out that she was telling the truth about her husband’s murder (I had her full name and date of birth, so it wasn’t exactly difficult .)

But now I know, and I feel the need to defend her. I don’t care if she was bending the truth about her drug use. She’s likely had to self medicate her whole sad existence. All I care about is that she told the truth about her husband. Sometimes outlandish tales are true. So I’ll believe what she says about BK, too. Not that it’s any of my business. LE, the State, the Defense and Judge Hippler are the only ones whose business it is, at least until trial.

I’m sorry for the rant, guys, but I can’t stand how DM was thrown under the bus by LE and the State, IMO, and now the same thing is happening to MM. It’s the worst of two worlds—the First Amendment allows DM and now MM to be fodder for public pillorying, and the dang gag order prevents LE or the State from doing anything about it.

I realize I am being hypocritical. I, too, have violated MM’s privacy. I apologize, MM, for doubting you, and for being part of the problem.

IMO

 

[Ghostwheel]

So you’re thinking he did think everyone was asleep? That’s all that makes sense to me, but it sounds like on his first 2-3 drive-brys, he would still have seen lights on if anyone was awake (which someone was)….

In my mind (and it's cobwebby in there), he drove around waiting for the lights to go off. I believe that Xana may have even been waiting for her DD with the fairy and good vibes lights only (I, personally, love sitting in the semi dark listening to music), so when everyone else went off to sleep, the house would look "dark". I just cannot imagine he would have gone in KNOWING someone was awake and eating, unless that was some of the "challenge" of it.

My thought is that on the second to last drive around, the house was "dark" and he stopped but did not get out OR maybe started to get out. DD driver came by, also did not get out MAYBE saw BK start to get out. BK drove off, DD dropped food, BK came back around, house still dark (there would be light if someone was up, right? Not in my house, though.). Now it's all in motion.

 

[SteveP]

I was really hoping that we might get an opinion from Judge Hippler on the motion for continuance today, or learn something about the alternate suspect motion. Surely we will learn something within a few days. We are rapidly coming up on July, and August is right behind!

 

[mickey2942]

I was really hoping that we might get an opinion from Judge Hippler on the motion for continuance today, or learn something about the alternate suspect motion. Surely we will learn something within a few days. We are rapidly coming up on July, and August is right behind!

If there is a continuance, it would be because August is the BEST month in Idaho for hiking, fishing, camping. Traveling, finding fun places to vacation, (Lava Hot Springs)! Kids are home. Wait until September for the trial. And definitely get it done by hunting season, mid October.

I think that the "alternate suspect" theory isn't going to work. Because there isn't any evidence of any other intruder.

 

[SteveP]

If there is a continuance, it would be because August is the BEST month in Idaho for hiking, fishing, camping. Traveling, finding fun places to vacation, (Lava Hot Springs)! Kids are home. Wait until September for the trial. And definitely get it done by hunting season, mid October.

I think that the "alternate suspect" theory isn't going to work. Because there isn't any evidence of any other intruder.

If I am not mistaken, 12 weeks are set aside for the trial, six for the guilt phase, and six for the penalty phase. If it does not start until September, it is not likely to end by mid-October. I expect the trial will start in August, as scheduled. JMO

 

[danablue1]

I’ve wanted to ask this for a long time, and maybe very early on it was discussed to an extent and I just missed it. But you guys- what was he THINKING here?? I know a lot of us have differing opinions regarding- was he going after just one person, who that might have been, or as many as possible-

What throws me is it sure seems like he was very aware that someone in that house had to be awake if they had JUST minutes before received an order of food!

WHY would he choose that time to go in and do what he did?! Wouldn’t he want to go in when lights had been off for a good, long time, ensuring everyone was definitely asleep? Why did he do this when he knew someone, at least one person if not more, was awake!? I have never, ever understood this. Even if he did, in fact, wait until all the lights went off, the person receiving the DD wasn’t asleep that quickly!

What say you, sleuthers?

I honestly don't think he knew it was a doordash driver and I don't think he knew what house this person was connected to. I think he was just relieved when it was gone

 

[LetsSolvIt]

So you’re thinking he did think everyone was asleep? That’s all that makes sense to me, but it sounds like on his first 2-3 drive-brys, he would still have seen lights on if anyone was awake (which someone was)….

I think this was the kind of living situation where they always left some lights on in sitting rooms and kitchen or at least at night — and had rice lights hanging all over. It was never all dark. Looking from outside, it might be hard to tell from lighting if there was anyone awake or up. OMO.

 

[Arkay]

When MM said to the arresting officer from the back seat, “they’re gonna kill me” if she’s charged with a DUI, I assume she was referring to the defense tearing her apart on the stand, which IMO, will likely happen.

This may very well be the case, but I took it as referring to Door Dash itself.

If she is hired through a company to drive for the purpose of delivering food to a customer, and was caught driving drunk, I’d expect her to be fired. IMO losing her job, or side job, was her more immediate concern, rather than being interrogated by the defense the following year.

Naturally I may be completely off-base, but it did strike me as her fear that her life would be further falling apart, once her bosses knew that their employee was driving drunk on a job in which driving is the whole deal.

This is not to say I don’t feel for her. I absolutely do. No one should drive drunk, but I agree her problem was now public and this must be humiliating for her.

Also just knowing she was inches away from a quadruple murder must be unbearable, and I imagine she often thinks he may have killed her, too, had he realized she was a witness.

Just my speculation.

 

[mickey2942]

This may very well be the case, but I took it as referring to Door Dash itself.

If she is hired through a company to drive for the purpose of delivering food to a customer, and was caught driving drunk, I’d expect her to be fired. IMO losing her job, or side job, was her more immediate concern, rather than being interrogated by the defense the following year.

Naturally I may be completely off-base, but it did strike me as her fear that her life would be further falling apart, once her bosses knew that their employee was driving drunk on a job in which driving is the whole deal.

This is not to say I don’t feel for her. I absolutely do. No one should drive drunk, but I agree her problem was now public and this must be humiliating for her.

Also just knowing she was inches away from a quadruple murder must be unbearable, and I imagine she often thinks he may have killed her, too, had he realized she was a witness.

Just my speculation.

Gal sounds like a hot mess. But I find her credible. Why else would anyone get involved in this situation?

 

[danablue1]

I feel terrible for MM, the DoorDash driver.

When MM said to the arresting officer from the back seat, “they’re gonna kill me” if she’s charged with a DUI, I assume she was referring to the defense tearing her apart on the stand, which IMO, will likely happen.

This poor woman is already being torn apart now, for crying out loud. She’s like the new DM.

I can’t believe the unredacted body cam and police station footage is publicly available. Why is this allowed? Complete strangers now know her name, her birthdate, even her past traumas!

Can you imagine having your most embarrassing or private or tragic moments subject to public ridicule? We see her at a terrible moment in her life that would humiliate anyone, let alone someone as vulnerable as she is.

When I first saw the brief clip in which MM claims to know Bryan and to be the DD driver, I was immediately skeptical. Her claims seemed outlandish, delusional. Then I watched the entire video. It took me two seconds afterwards to find out that she was telling the truth about her husband’s murder (I had her full name and date of birth, so it wasn’t exactly difficult .)

But now I know, and I feel the need to defend her. I don’t care if she was bending the truth about her drug use. She’s likely had to self medicate her whole sad existence. All I care about is that she told the truth about her husband. Sometimes outlandish tales are true. So I’ll believe what she says about BK, too. Not that it’s any of my business. LE, the State, the Defense and Judge Hippler are the only ones whose business it is, at least until trial.

I’m sorry for the rant, guys, but I can’t stand how DM was thrown under the bus by LE and the State, IMO, and now the same thing is happening to MM. It’s the worst of two worlds—the First Amendment allows DM and now MM to be fodder for public pillorying, and the dang gag order prevents LE or the State from doing anything about it.

I realize I am being hypocritical. I, too, have violated MM’s privacy. I apologize, MM, for doubting you, and for being part of the problem.

IMO

She will be a hero for aiding in.the conviction of BK IMO

 

[Ghostwheel]

This may very well be the case, but I took it as referring to Door Dash itself.

If she is hired through a company to drive for the purpose of delivering food to a customer, and was caught driving drunk, I’d expect her to be fired. IMO losing her job, or side job, was her more immediate concern, rather than being interrogated by the defense the following year.

Naturally I may be completely off-base, but it did strike me as her fear that her life would be further falling apart, once her bosses knew that their employee was driving drunk on a job in which driving is the whole deal.

This is not to say I don’t feel for her. I absolutely do. No one should drive drunk, but I agree her problem was now public and this must be humiliating for her.

Also just knowing she was inches away from a quadruple murder must be unbearable, and I imagine she often thinks he may have killed her, too, had he realized she was a witness.

Just my speculation.

I just want to mention Idaho law defines DUI as operating a vehicle under the influence of alcohol, drugs, or any other intoxicating substance, or with a BAC of 0.08% or higher (0.02% for those under 21). She may not have been "drunk". I don't think she was even charge with DUI. What she DID have was something in the vehicle she should not have. Doesn't mean she used it (or even knew it was there). For all we know, "they're going to kill me" refers to whomever that item belonged to because they aren't getting it back.

Point being, we can't really take something that was said during a non related traffic stop and apply it to anything RE: BK unless whoever "they" are are identified in the statement and "they" aren't. I'll take possible guesses for $500, please.

 

[LadyL]

I think this was the kind of living situation where they always left some lights on in sitting rooms and kitchen or at least at night — and had rice lights hanging all over. It was never all dark. Looking from outside, it might be hard to tell from lighting if there was anyone awake or up. OMO.

I had to google rice lights, otherwise known as fairy lights here where I am.

 

[PunishThenForgive]

This may very well be the case, but I took it as referring to Door Dash itself.

If she is hired through a company to drive for the purpose of delivering food to a customer, and was caught driving drunk, I’d expect her to be fired. IMO losing her job, or side job, was her more immediate concern, rather than being interrogated by the defense the following year.

Naturally I may be completely off-base, but it did strike me as her fear that her life would be further falling apart, once her bosses knew that their employee was driving drunk on a job in which driving is the whole deal.

This is not to say I don’t feel for her. I absolutely do. No one should drive drunk, but I agree her problem was now public and this must be humiliating for her.

Also just knowing she was inches away from a quadruple murder must be unbearable, and I imagine she often thinks he may have killed her, too, had he realized she was a witness.

Just my speculation

I just want to mention Idaho law defines DUI as operating a vehicle under the influence of alcohol, drugs, or any other intoxicating substance, or with a BAC of 0.08% or higher (0.02% for those under 21). She may not have been "drunk". I don't think she was even charge with DUI. What she DID have was something in the vehicle she should not have. Doesn't mean she used it (or even knew it was there). For all we know, "they're going to kill me" refers to whomever that item belonged to because they aren't getting it back.

Point being, we can't really take something that was said during a non related traffic stop and apply it to anything RE: BK unless whoever "they" are are identified in the statement and "they" aren't. I'll take possible guesses for $500, please.

MM wasn’t actually drunk on September 4, 2024, which was proven after she took the breath test at the police station (shown in the body cam footage).

MM admitted to taking a pain pill that morning and police suspected she took a stimulant (the sarcastic male officer claimed to see pills in her truck, and Brian Entin read the police report, which made their suspicions clear).

Here is the relevant conversation between the female police officer (PO) and MM in the police cruiser, shared by Gray Hughes in this YouTube video:

MM:

I’m supposed to testify against Bryan next year.

PO:

Bryan?

MM:

Yep - the man who killed all the girls over in Moscow.

PO:

Well, this won’t change any of that.

MM:

Yeah, well, with a DUI on my record they’ll kill me.

PO:

I think they would be more concerned about the drug use than the DUI, [MM].

The last line doesn’t make much sense to me since her DUI is for driving under the influence of drugs, not alcohol.

At any rate, I agree that MM may not be referring to the possibility that the Defense will tear her apart on the stand during Kohberger’s trial. Given the officer’s response to her, MM may instead mean that the State will “kill” her for weakening their case against Kohberger.

In the context of this conversation, I don’t think MM is worried at the moment about anyone killing her over drugs or being fired by DoorDash. Her boyfriend didn’t seem panicked while talking to her on the phone at the scene, and MM looks to be in such bad shape that she may not have been able to do any paid work at that time.

IMO

 

[girlhasnoname]

So you’re thinking he did think everyone was asleep? That’s all that makes sense to me, but it sounds like on his first 2-3 drive-brys, he would still have seen lights on if anyone was awake (which someone was)….

Drive-Brys HAHAHA one for the Bryisms Book of Stupidity.

I think BK felt he HAD to do the deed that night. Anyone with any sense, especially a CJ major, would have known the odds of someone being awake with the DD delivery just having happened was more than astronomically high, it was factual.

BK did it anyway for some reason that I can't put my finger on. Was it for the thrill? I have always thought he meant to kill them all. Was his focus on one primary target? It could well have started that way, but the fact that he could have walked down those stairs after killing Maddie and Kaylee and out the door in a straight shot without having to murder Xana and Ethan makes me wonder. He was in disguise, even DM couldn't ID him except for his Brybrows (courtesy of @Megnut).

I can't get it out of my head when Kaylee's dad asked early on "Why did he have to go upstairs?" I'm not 100% convinced of the order of the killings. This fence sitting is killing me.

JMO - today

 

[Tealgrove]

Do we know if Xana actually ate her food?

 

[Justice101]

This may very well be the case, but I took it as referring to Door Dash itself.

If she is hired through a company to drive for the purpose of delivering food to a customer, and was caught driving drunk, I’d expect her to be fired. IMO losing her job, or side job, was her more immediate concern, rather than being interrogated by the defense the following year.

Naturally I may be completely off-base, but it did strike me as her fear that her life would be further falling apart, once her bosses knew that their employee was driving drunk on a job in which driving is the whole deal.

This is not to say I don’t feel for her. I absolutely do. No one should drive drunk, but I agree her problem was now public and this must be humiliating for her.

Also just knowing she was inches away from a quadruple murder must be unbearable, and I imagine she often thinks he may have killed her, too, had he realized she was a witness.

Just my speculation.

I got caught twice drinking and driving myself when I was in my early 20s. Very embarrassing and very tough financially on me. I lied to my parents for 2 years as to why I couldn't drive home 4 hours away to see them (because I really had a suspended license but was too ashamed to tell them) I lied and lied and lied again.

But, being a dumbass, I still kept drinking. UNTIL a few years later... in a drunken rage, on night, I pushed my wife to the ground.

Even though I was drunk, I knew instantly (for the first time) that I was an alcoholic and needed help. I cried and told her I needed help. She suggested AA.

I found an AA meeting and attended within a few days, went there for many many meetings over the years and only by the grace of God, I haven't drank since then (27 years now).

I admitted I could not control alcohol and finally turned my life around then. I am 64 now.

I know exactly what she was thinking and feel her desperation. But she has to hit her own kind of bottom and realize she needs help in order for her to change. Maybe this incident will make her seek help to turn it around. Praying for her.

 

[Bahshudc]

Do we know if Xana actually ate her food?

This will defo be known to the state through her autopsy, but the public don’t know. How long did she even have to eat it? Like 3 minutes before BK enters?

 

[minazoe]

another thing I was thinking about in terms of the surviving roommates.

multi story houses have bedrooms on the upper floors and for the most part no bedrooms on the first floor or there may be a den, and then if there is a basement there may be one in the basement if the basement is finished.

he may have assumed all the occupants were sleeping upstairs and the lower level rooms were dens or workspaces. It could be that he never entered that house prior to the murders. and he did not even see or look for Dylan in the shadows.

mOO

 

[MeadowMuffin]

I’ve wanted to ask this for a long time, and maybe very early on it was discussed to an extent and I just missed it. But you guys- what was he THINKING here?? I know a lot of us have differing opinions regarding- was he going after just one person, who that might have been, or as many as possible-

What throws me is it sure seems like he was very aware that someone in that house had to be awake if they had JUST minutes before received an order of food!

WHY would he choose that time to go in and do what he did?! Wouldn’t he want to go in when lights had been off for a good, long time, ensuring everyone was definitely asleep? Why did he do this when he knew someone, at least one person if not more, was awake!? I have never, ever understood this. Even if he did, in fact, wait until all the lights went off, the person receiving the DD wasn’t asleep that quickly!

What say you, sleuthers?

I just want to mention Idaho law defines DUI as operating a vehicle under the influence of alcohol, drugs, or any other intoxicating substance, or with a BAC of 0.08% or higher (0.02% for those under 21). She may not have been "drunk". I don't think she was even charge with DUI. What she DID have was something in the vehicle she should not have. Doesn't mean she used it (or even knew it was there). For all we know, "they're going to kill me" refers to whomever that item belonged to because they aren't getting it back.

Point being, we can't really take something that was said during a non related traffic stop and apply it to anything RE: BK unless whoever "they" are are identified in the statement and "they" aren't. I'll take possible guesses for $500, please.

Isn't it funny, I thought the Prosecution was who she was talking about. As in "BT is gonna kill me because I'm supposed to testify for him and now I'll have this on my record".