A different Lens? Your thoughts?

[Calliope]

If they found prints, they may not be able to identify them if the person does not have prints in the system. My prints are in the WA state system because I volunteered at a school. However, good pt about diff prints being found, that would tell them someone else was there.

Question: do state fingerprint records tie in nationally?

Good question.

http://www.fbi.gov/hq/cjisd/iafis.htm

Thank you CSI LOL

I'm in their database

I managed to stay fingerprinted-less until a few years ago when I went to work for the Feds on a 13 week contract. I had to have an FBI background check complete with a full set of fingerprints; my contract was nearly over by the time they finished. What a pain in the neck. Now I guess I can never break bad

 

[Calliope]

I agree. If Terri was in the school, and the truck moved, it was most likely moved by someone she knew well enough to trust them with the keys to Kaine's truck. The chances of a stranger getting hold of the truck keys is extremely low, and that coincidence would not be very believable.

True.

What I'd like to know is (and it's not entirely clear to me) did the same witness see that truck in both spots? Can they be absolutely certain it was the same truck? What cars were parked in front and behind the truck in both places and when did THOSE people arrive at and leave the school? IOW, would it have been possible to move it as they claim?

OR

Did Terri claim to have parked in one spot, and witnesses placed her in another?

OR

Did one witness see it in one place and then another witness came by later and noted that the truck was somewhere else --- and LE assumes it was moved?

 

[BeanE]

True.

What I'd like to know is (and it's not entirely clear to me) did the same witness see that truck in both spots? Can they be absolutely certain it was the same truck? What cars were parked in front and behind the truck in both places and when did THOSE people arrive at and leave the school? IOW, would it have been possible to move it as they claim?

OR

Did Terri claim to have parked in one spot, and witnesses placed her in another?

OR

Did one witness see it in one place and then another witness came by later and noted that the truck was somewhere else --- and LE assumes it was moved?

Here's what we know.

A witness or witnesses have come forward and provided us with information about a person or persons associated with that pickup truck at approximately those locations.

I don't recall ever seeing any info on where Terri actually parked, or where Terri claimed to have parked, or where anyone else claimed Terri parked that day. Only that one or more witnesses saw one or more persons somehow associated with the truck at somewhere near the locations in those two pics.

And that LE is interested also in the southside parking lot. Which is where I think Terri parked, but who knows?

 

[nervous_nellie]

True.

What I'd like to know is (and it's not entirely clear to me) did the same witness see that truck in both spots? Can they be absolutely certain it was the same truck? What cars were parked in front and behind the truck in both places and when did THOSE people arrive at and leave the school? IOW, would it have been possible to move it as they claim?

OR

Did Terri claim to have parked in one spot, and witnesses placed her in another?

OR

Did one witness see it in one place and then another witness came by later and noted that the truck was somewhere else --- and LE assumes it was moved?

exactly! i agree. apparently there is some discrepancy concerning the truck and its occupants... otherwise why all the hoo-ha with the flyers and pc pics etc? i guess they will either rule something/someone in or out with the info they receive... im really torn because i dont want another step-monster. but kyron is gone and i dont think he is being stashed someplace and this just needs to be resolved and kyron found.... i hate this case! lol

 

[Calliope]

Here's what we know.

A witness or witnesses have come forward and provided us with information about a person or persons associated with that pickup truck at approximately those locations.

I don't recall ever seeing any info on where Terri actually parked, or where Terri claimed to have parked, or where anyone else claimed Terri parked that day. Only that one or more witnesses saw one or more persons somehow associated with the truck at somewhere near the locations in those two pics.

And that LE is interested also in the southside parking lot. Which is where I think Terri parked, but who knows?

But we have this:

Authorities are seeking to identify the person, or persons, who may have been spotted by the truck as it was parked outside the school's front fence in the shoulder of Northwest Skyline Boulevard. Someone possibly moved the pickup and parked it up a gravel path in front of the school's playground while Terri Moulton Horman was inside the school with her stepson for his science fair.

http://www.oregonlive.com/portland/index.ssf/2010/08/kyron_horman_case_investigator.html


I was listening to the PC while doing some other stuff but I swear I did NOT hear anything remotely like that; perhaps this was from the off-the-record session after the PC.

Or was it simply the reporter's own thoughts about why they were showing the truck in two different parking locations?

I REALLY want to know where that came from.

 

[Curious Me]

A different lens to me means they've stopped using the wide angle lens and are now using a more narrow close-up lens. What really puzzles me is how they can say with any confidence that Kyron is still alive. I want them to use the lens that will find him ASAP. I'm just impatient when it comes to lost little boys. It has been so long. Prayers for Kyron and his family.

 

[Calliope]

A different lens to me means they've stopped using the wide angle lens and are now using a more narrow close-up lens. What really puzzles me is how they can say with any confidence that Kyron is still alive. I want them to use the lens that will find him ASAP. I'm just impatient when it comes to lost little boys. It has been so long. Prayers for Kyron and his family.

What nurseB said is right. They're saying they have no evidence he's not alive. A bit different than stating he is alive. Semantics

 

[nervous_nellie]

A different lens to me means they've stopped using the wide angle lens and are now using a more narrow close-up lens. What really puzzles me is how they can say with any confidence that Kyron is still alive. I want them to use the lens that will find him ASAP. I'm just impatient when it comes to lost little boys. It has been so long. Prayers for Kyron and his family.

unfortunately we have heard that statement more than a few times around here and i dont take it as le having any confidence that kyron is still with us. it may be true that they dont have any evidence to show that he is not alive, but they also didnt give any evidence that he is alive either...

 

[PaulaF513]

If I had to make a guess, I would say they are trying to rule out a 2nd white truck. That would confound the investigation, making it difficult to accuse Terri - that leaves way too much doubt for any jury to convict. moo

Also, I think they are using a different psychology. If Terri did this crime as a revenge/hatred act directed toward Kaine and maybe Desiree - appearing on media week after week, sketching out a character assassination of Terri only reinforces her initial feelings of being despised, unappreciated, and all that goes along with those feelings. IMO it would have been far more productive to talk about the good side of Terri, both as wife and mother - that kind of talk may have loosened some of her defenses. moo mho

I'm not convinced one way or the other about TH's involvement. I will say that if she had nothing to do with Kyron's disappearance, she has been irreparably harmed by LE's relentless and tunnel visioned focus on her. Her life is totally destroyed and Kyron is still missing.

 

[PaulaF513]

Another thing occurs to me regarding the truck. Did not a 7th grader state that he saw Kyron in the gym that day AND that he saw the truck in the parking lot? I thought the gym windows were high off the floor level..and the gym is not in the front of the school is it? So where exactly was this kid when he saw it and in what parking area?

These are questions that should have been answered by this time.

 

[Calliope]

Another thing occurs to me regarding the truck. Did not a 7th grader state that he saw Kyron in the gym that day AND that he saw the truck in the parking lot? I thought the gym windows were high off the floor level..and the gym is not in the front of the school is it? So where exactly was this kid when he saw it and in what parking area?

These are questions that should have been answered by this time.

Maybe that's why they're asking about people who parked in the lot?

I just have a sinking feeling about this.

Nearly 10 weeks later, and it sounds like the first days all over again.

 

[ElizaAvalon]

Authorities are seeking to identify the person, or persons, who may have been spotted by the truck as it was parked outside the school's front fence in the shoulder of Northwest Skyline Boulevard. Someone possibly moved the pickup and parked it up a gravel path in front of the school's playground while Terri Moulton Horman was inside the school with her stepson for his science fair."

Welcome Pugnolia!

This is exactly what I was thinking they thought after seeing the photos at the PC.

This is the only way to explain how ANYONE could have gotten Kyron out of the school unnoticed. Had he left the usual way, other parents and children would have seen him.

 

[BeanE]

But we have this:

Authorities are seeking to identify the person, or persons, who may have been spotted by the truck as it was parked outside the school's front fence in the shoulder of Northwest Skyline Boulevard. Someone possibly moved the pickup and parked it up a gravel path in front of the school's playground while Terri Moulton Horman was inside the school with her stepson for his science fair.

http://www.oregonlive.com/portland/index.ssf/2010/08/kyron_horman_case_investigator.html


I was listening to the PC while doing some other stuff but I swear I did NOT hear anything remotely like that; perhaps this was from the off-the-record session after the PC.

Or was it simply the reporter's own thoughts about why they were showing the truck in two different parking locations?

I REALLY want to know where that came from.

lol. Gates specifically said they want people's own memories, not subject to suggestion, so this reporter immediately makes something up to give suggestion to every local reading the article. How helpful to LE and to Kyron. Geez Louise.

 

[BeanE]

Another thing occurs to me regarding the truck. Did not a 7th grader state that he saw Kyron in the gym that day AND that he saw the truck in the parking lot? I thought the gym windows were high off the floor level..and the gym is not in the front of the school is it? So where exactly was this kid when he saw it and in what parking area?

These are questions that should have been answered by this time.

Yes, he didn't say he saw the truck from the gym, or when he saw the truck in relation to when he was in the gym. He could have seen the truck when he arrived at school, and not gone to the gym until some time later.

 

[BeanE]

What nurseB said is right. They're saying they have no evidence he's not alive. A bit different than stating he is alive. Semantics

Yes, and he didn't use the word evidence, so he didn't just mean in the legal sense of evidence. He said, I believe, they have nothing indicating Kyron is not alive. That would include, to me, no one giving untruthful "no" answers to questions on polys such as "Did you hurt Kyron?", "Did you kill Kyron?", "Do you have any reason to believe that Kyron no longer living?".

And that makes me very, very happy.

 

[Etilema]

Hi all - first time poster, here!

I find interesting this comment made by LE (8-11-10):

"Multnomah County Chief Deputy District Attorney Rod Underhill said a witness, or witnesses, have reported seeing someone else by the Hormans' extended-cab pickup while it was parked in front of the school between 8:15 a.m. and 8:45 a.m. on June 4, the day Kyron disappeared.

Authorities are seeking to identify the person, or persons, who may have been spotted by the truck as it was parked outside the school's front fence in the shoulder of Northwest Skyline Boulevard. Someone possibly moved the pickup and parked it up a gravel path in front of the school's playground while Terri Moulton Horman was inside the school with her stepson for his science fair."


http://www.oregonlive.com/portland/index.ssf/2010/08/kyron_horman_case_investigator.html

I haven't been aware of this detail until now, and do not recall hearing this during the presser. Perhaps this, too, may explain LE beginning to view things through a different lens, now that at least one witness has come forward with this information. I'm aware that LE has been looking for a possible accomplice for some time, and this seems to (hopefully) cement things rather solidly, at least in terms of some actual (or possible, unsubstantiated?) sightings. I understand that LE is calling for more witnesses to verify this information, and deeply hope that something will come of this!

Thanks SO MUCH for pointing out that quote! So they ARE thinking that the presumed accomplice arrived while TH (and kids) were inside the school and moved the truck. That's what I and others here suspected. If TH arrived early, she could be assured of getting that parking spot on the shoulder just in front of the "path" (what we refer to as an "access road"). The other person could have arrived and parked in the south lot and walked over to move the truck up closer to the school, so that Kyron could be brought out the side door and along that path, invisible from the school, itself, and put into the truck without being noticed. Just speculating.

 

[daisy.faithfull]

I am hoping that that is an indication that LE is looking at Kyron's disappearance through many different lenses. Possibly we are just being made aware of this lense because they are seeking the public's assistance with it.

Calliope I think that I understand how you are feeling about LE. I want very, very badly to have confidence in LE's ability to investigate this crime because I want very much to believe that Kyron will be found and justice will be served. More and more I just don't know how to feel about this.

 

[daisy.faithfull]

:dance:Welcome to Websleuths Pugnolia!!:dance:

 

[Etilema]

approx 13:28

"There's a legitimate question about why, why do we have these pictures in these two locations. A witness or witnesses have come forward and provided us with information about a person or persons associated with that pickup truck at approximately those locations. We're looking for additional witnesses."

Full raw press conference video:
http://www.ustream.tv/recorded/8862...deo_watch_the_kyron_hor_1.html&medium=8862580


If you look at the video, the DA points back toward the two school photos to his right, not the two Fred Meyer pics, which are on his left.

Here's what we know.

A witness or witnesses have come forward and provided us with information about a person or persons associated with that pickup truck at approximately those locations.

I don't recall ever seeing any info on where Terri actually parked, or where Terri claimed to have parked, or where anyone else claimed Terri parked that day. Only that one or more witnesses saw one or more persons somehow associated with the truck at somewhere near the locations in those two pics.

And that LE is interested also in the southside parking lot. Which is where I think Terri parked, but who knows?

I don't understand what you are saying about not being given information regarding where she parked. They indicated the two photos of the truck parked on Skyline and on the "gravel path" with reference to "those locations". What am I missing?

 

[Calliope]

Yes, and he didn't use the word evidence, so he didn't just mean in the legal sense of evidence. He said, I believe, they have nothing indicating Kyron is not alive. That would include, to me, no one giving untruthful "no" answers to questions on polys such as "Did you hurt Kyron?", "Did you kill Kyron?", "Do you have any reason to believe that Kyron no longer living?".

And that makes me very, very happy.

He did say they have 'no evidence', twice. At about 15 min mark.

"What I can tell you is that I don't have, we don't have any evidence that Kyron's not alive. We have not received any evidence to suggest that."

http://www.ustream.tv/recorded/8862...deo_watch_the_kyron_hor_1.html&medium=8862580