A different Lens? Your thoughts?

[miabellamoure]

If I had to make a guess, I would say they are trying to rule out a 2nd white truck. That would confound the investigation, making it difficult to accuse Terri - that leaves way too much doubt for any jury to convict. moo

Also, I think they are using a different psychology. If Terri did this crime as a revenge/hatred act directed toward Kaine and maybe Desiree - appearing on media week after week, sketching out a character assassination of Terri only reinforces her initial feelings of being despised, unappreciated, and all that goes along with those feelings. IMO it would have been far more productive to talk about the good side of Terri, both as wife and mother - that kind of talk may have loosened some of her defenses. moo mho

bbm

Did I miss something in the 8/11/10 PC that anyone stated they suspect there is "more than one" white truck they are looking for?

 

[BeanE]

I believe that BeanE meant that UNTIL YESTERDAY'S PRESSER we did not know where she was presumed to have parked. It never even occurred to me she might have parked along the shoulder of the road. I do not believe anyone ever SAID she had parked in the school parking lot, it just seemed the natural assumption (to me) that she had, and I have been operating under that assumption all along.

No, that's not what I meant. LE said nothing in the presser yesterday about where Terri parked at the school. LE talked about two locations where one or more witnesses said the truck was parked, and did not say who parked it.

I'm looking for confirmation of where Terri parked the truck at the school.

 

[maystamper]

Just a thought. When I go to a school function I park so I can get out and not get boxed into the parking lot. TH knew what she was doing and I would bet there is an accomplice that moved the truck so she could leave very easily.

 

[goatman]

My Personal Opinion in regards to the different lens comment:

I think it means that LE focused too much on DY's 'mother's instinct' backed up by TY's profession (ie this is what I believe and here is my LE husband to tell you to listen to me) in the beginning and:

A: thought that Terri would crack quickly so there was no need to do pesky things like a parking lot sketch. And now that she hasn't they need more evidence that she did do it (circumstancial [sp but too lazy to fix]).

or

B: Despite Terri's ill will towards her husband they can find no proof that she did anything to Kyron and need to "look through a different lens" in order to see what may have happened.

 

[SurfieTX]

My take is that they were expecting some evidence to be brought forward as to WHERE Kyron is and in what state. I think they know she did something to him, they have a solid timeline and are building a circumstantial case w/o a body - hence the need for eyewitnesses to bolster a few "loose ends" their circumstantial case.

 

[Curious Me]

I went to bed thinking the different lens was a more narrow close-up lens, but then this morning realized in some ways the lens is wider to include in the pic some other people.

 

[SusieMom]

I've been thinking about the use of the words "through different lens"... about 10 yrs ago I took some graduate classes on Leadership and Project management, and the professors were all over the idea of the "paradigm shift" which went on to become a buzzword/cliche/ concept that makes people roll their eyes. But at the time, in the relevant literature, it would always liken the concept of "paradigm" with the word "lens"... and suggest that by stepping away from the problem at hand, and intentionally looking for ways to shift your paradigms... or sometimes they'd use the phrase "examine through a different lens" you could find a solution that was hidden from you before you intentionally changed your way of thinking about/examining/viewing the problem. The answer might have been there all along, you just couldn't "see" it. It was an awful lot like "thinking outside of the box" except that is generally applied to the creative process rather than an analytical process.

I'm babbling... I know.. forgive me.. but even when I was watching the presser and heard him use those words, I thought that is what he meant... stepping back from all the evidence, the whole thing, and intentionally looking at it from a different mindset. I think when you think you know the answer to a problem, doing this can help you be certain that you're going in the right direction. Does that make any sense at all?

 

[STEADFAST]

It could be that the different lens means instead of trying to prove where Terri was, they are focusing on proving where she wasn't. In other words, they are trying to find out if anyone saw her in the places she claims to have been -- like maybe she wasn't driving on the roads she claims to have driven on and wasn't at the Fred Meyer, etc.

 

[mauirain]

I cant understand how people think it was dede in the truck.........

wasnt she landscaping in a garden and left about 11am????

that would mean terri and kyron picked her up on the way to the school and then she would have had to drop her straight off to work.....have they said what time dede started the landscaping that day???

I didn't read all the way thru the thread yet, but I found this on the KGW website.......Did DS leave at some point with TH???? She could not be located for about 3 hours, but her car was still on the property???

HMMMM??????:waitasec:


http://www.kgw.com/news/kyron-horman/DeDe-Spicher-99077874.html

 

[Billylee]

Geez, I would think that if Terri were not involved (innocent in this) that she would have gladly cracked by now and told everything she knows. I don't think one goes and hires an exclusive criminal attorney such as she did when they're innocent. Where there's smoke, there's fire.

She could have hired him because she thought she would be charged with the MFHP.

 

[newone]

I've been thinking about the use of the words "through different lens"... about 10 yrs ago I took some graduate classes on Leadership and Project management, and the professors were all over the idea of the "paradigm shift" which went on to become a buzzword/cliche/ concept that makes people roll their eyes. But at the time, in the relevant literature, it would always liken the concept of "paradigm" with the word "lens"... and suggest that by stepping away from the problem at hand, and intentionally looking for ways to shift your paradigms... or sometimes they'd use the phrase "examine through a different lens" you could find a solution that was hidden from you before you intentionally changed your way of thinking about/examining/viewing the problem. The answer might have been there all along, you just couldn't "see" it. It was an awful lot like "thinking outside of the box" except that is generally applied to the creative process rather than an analytical process.

I'm babbling... I know.. forgive me.. but even when I was watching the presser and heard him use those words, I thought that is what he meant... stepping back from all the evidence, the whole thing, and intentionally looking at it from a different mindset. I think when you think you know the answer to a problem, doing this can help you be certain that you're going in the right direction. Does that make any sense at all?

I gave some thought to what you said. Thinking back to ''in search of excellence'' "nlp'' seminars, etc --sometimes it useful to ''change'' the angle and add 'filters' too (too much glare can be reduced) which reduces ''squinting'' to see more detail.

 

[kgeaux]

Geez, I would think that if Terri were not involved (innocent in this) that she would have gladly cracked by now and told everything she knows. I don't think one goes and hires an exclusive criminal attorney such as she did when they're innocent. Where there's smoke, there's fire.

I do not know if Terri is involved or not in Kyron's disappearance. I am a fence-sitter, leaning heavily toward "Terri did it." I am very disturbed by what we've been privy to so far, and I really dread what I think is to come.

HOWEVER, innocent people can and do hire defense attorneys all the time. If an innocent person believes he or she is being unfairly targeted, that law enforcement is not exploring other avenues, that person just might take up their constitutional rights and get legal representation.

I am not pointing this at you, sweetie, but I have noticed a disturbing "Nancy Grace Mentality" sweeping USA. This mentality preaches and believes that the mere hiring of legal representation is a SURE INDICATION OF GUILT. Not true, not even close!

Many persons who have been wrongfully convicted and released after years of prison time delayed seeking legal help, thinking wrongly that they could convince LE that they weren't involved, or worse, believing LE "must be right" even when they KNEW they did not commit the crime.

I worry that the current bias that only the guilty hire attorneys will cause even more innocent persons to delay getting the representation they are entitled to, and that they NEED.

 

[Billylee]

If I had to make a guess, I would say they are trying to rule out a 2nd white truck. That would confound the investigation, making it difficult to accuse Terri - that leaves way too much doubt for any jury to convict. moo

Also, I think they are using a different psychology. If Terri did this crime as a revenge/hatred act directed toward Kaine and maybe Desiree - appearing on media week after week, sketching out a character assassination of Terri only reinforces her initial feelings of being despised, unappreciated, and all that goes along with those feelings. IMO it would have been far more productive to talk about the good side of Terri, both as wife and mother - that kind of talk may have loosened some of her defenses. moo mho

Ruling out another Ford truck would make sense. But I'm not sure how they could do that. That school was open to the public. Yes they may be able to say no other parent, relative, teacher or staff had a truck like that there that day. But it was open to the public so ANYONE from ANYWHERE, including SO's owning one, could have been there. Wouldn't that be impossible?

 

[Jo in Calif]

I think that looking through a different lens means. Instead of getting people to just remember Kains truck, they are trying to get them to remember Dede and her vehicle, they didn't put a picture of Dede's on the flier, as not to make people remember, because of suggestion. IMO they think Dede was at the school between 8:15 and 8:45, in her own vehicle, left the school, went to her job at 9:00. Later picked up by Terry, after her FM trips, picked up Dede in Kaines truck, some time just past 10:00, from Dede's job and did what ever they did to Kyron, in the next hour and a half, to the gym, not sure if Dede was at the gym or not, returned Dede to her job at 1:00, Terry back to the house to do her face book, e-mails and such .

 

[Billylee]

I think that looking through a different lens means. Instead of getting people to just remember Kains truck, they are trying to get them to remember Dede and her vehicle, they didn't put a picture of Dede's on the flier, as not to make people remember, because of suggestion. IMO they think Dede was at the school between 8:15 and 8:45, in her own vehicle, left the school, went to her job at 9:00. Later picked up by Terry, after her FM trips, picked up Dede in Kaines truck, some time just past 10:00, from Dede's job and did what ever they did to Kyron, in the next hour and a half, to the gym, not sure if Dede was at the gym or not, returned Dede to her job at 1:00, Terry back to the house to do her face book, e-mails and such .

Except Dede's vehicle was reportedly left where she worked. It's in today's news list. Which brings up the question, if they were plotting this all along, would TH be brazen enough to pick her up from where she was working with others, who may see her?

 

[Jo in Calif]

Except Dede's vehicle was reportedly left where she worked. It's in today's news list. Which brings up the question, if they were plotting this all along, would TH be brazen enough to pick her up from where she was working with others, who may see her?

Yes it was, but if Dede didn't get to work until 9:00 she could have been at the school between 8:15 and 8:45 in her vehicle, left the school and went to work. As I said in my post Terry could have picked Dede up at her work, in an area where they would not be seen, I believe it was a rather large farm, in Kaine's truck, sometime after 10:00.

 

[Openmyeyes]

I do not know if Terri is involved or not in Kyron's disappearance. I am a fence-sitter, leaning heavily toward "Terri did it." I am very disturbed by what we've been privy to so far, and I really dread what I think is to come.

HOWEVER, innocent people can and do hire defense attorneys all the time. If an innocent person believes he or she is being unfairly targeted, that law enforcement is not exploring other avenues, that person just might take up their constitutional rights and get legal representation.

I am not pointing this at you, sweetie, but I have noticed a disturbing "Nancy Grace Mentality" sweeping USA. This mentality preaches and believes that the mere hiring of legal representation is a SURE INDICATION OF GUILT. Not true, not even close!

Many persons who have been wrongfully convicted and released after years of prison time delayed seeking legal help, thinking wrongly that they could convince LE that they weren't involved, or worse, believing LE "must be right" even when they KNEW they did not commit the crime.

I worry that the current bias that only the guilty hire attorneys will cause even more innocent persons to delay getting the representation they are entitled to, and that they NEED.

Well said. I have been thinking about the little girl Jackie Dowaliby and how her father was wrongfully convicted.

 

[Billylee]

We keep forgetting that there is one young witness who said they saw TH leave "without" Kyron. (Unless it's been retracted.) But, no one at all says they saw Kyron leave.

If TP really did see TH leave without Kyron AND she's involved with this, then who took Kyron and what vehicle did they use?

Could this be the new lens they are looking through? That they believe someone else took Kyron from the school, but then met with TH later to give him back to her? Maybe at Freddy's. This, would have kept TH out of the mix altogether even if someone had seen Kyron leave.

 

[SoCalSleuth]

I think it's rather simple. I think he just meant that at first they were looking solely at TH and with information gathered during the investigation they are looking now at TH and DS/mystery person.

 

[Etilema]

Except Dede's vehicle was reportedly left where she worked. It's in today's news list. Which brings up the question, if they were plotting this all along, would TH be brazen enough to pick her up from where she was working with others, who may see her?

But we don't know what time Dede arrived at work. So she could have been at the school and then went on to work afterwards, to arrive at 9:00.

And the property where she was working has been described as 40 acres, and much of it might not be visible by anyone, which would account for why they weren't sure where she was during her unaccounted time. After all, if she wants to claim she was there the whole time, it has to be plausible that she could be someone unobserved by others for that long.

JMO