"a specific tool ...designed for a specific audience."

[pufnstuf]

I'm trying to understand what happened.

So, basically, Dede was responsible for caring for a puppy for a specific period of time. She either penned or crated the puppy, and the puppy knocked over his water and food bowls. She proceeded to laugh about the mess the puppy made, saying something about the puppy having to go without food and water, in a kind of "serves him right!" tone. Does anyone know how long the puppy went without food and water? Did she leave the puppy crated or penned for an entire weekend?

A very good friend of mine is a NICU nurse. She lives in an apartment, and she has a dog. If she doesn't crate the dog (it's a small dog) while she's away, it goes insane. So, while she's at work, she crates the dog and the dog is always fine. FWIW, the crate/pen is HUGE. Occasionally, she'll return home and the dog's food and water will be overturned, and one time, the dog managed to snag her feather down comforter off her bed and proceeded to rip it to shreds. With the exception of when the dog was a puppy, it never soiled its crate, so the dog doesn't sit in its urine or feces. She has, however, laughed about the mess the dog will make.

IMHO, with regard to this situation, it depends on how long the puppy was left alone. If Dede was responsible for the puppy, penned or crated it, went to run errands for several hours and returned to a disaster, then it was probably better to laugh it off. She was able to clean up the mess, clean up the dog, and feed and water the dog without the dog being neglected.

If, however, she was responsible for the puppy and this happened, and the puppy was left without food and water and was sitting in its excrement for several days, well, then, that's a different story, and it's wrong. IMHO, though, it doesn't automatically follow that her negligence when it comes to an animal escalates to her helping to abduct and possibly murder a child.

Did you read the blog? Again, it's indefensible.

Did you miss the part about the blood? About a PUPPY having to do without food and water all day?

I found no "humor" in her post. I'm shocked that anyone would.

ETA: Crating a dog that is crate trained is a whole different situation than what Dede described.

 

[stmarysmead]

"4. We found out on the second day that when I shut him in my little laundry room with his water & food dish, he will dump the contents of both all over the floor. So he's had to spend his days locked in a teeny room with no water or food.

5. We didn't find out until the 4th or 5th day where the blood was coming from. When he's locked in the laundry room, there is just enough clearance under the door for him to get his nose wedged under it. Because the door is cheap and the bottom edges aren't sanded smooth, he scraped a good chunk of skin off the top of his nose. Consequently, there is blood all over the laundry room floor, the rugs in my bathroom, a vanity bench, my bedding including a down comforter, and my microsuade couch."

 

[cypress]

Did you read the blog? Again, it's indefensible.

Did you miss the part about the blood? About a PUPPY having to do without food and water all day?

I found no "humor" in her post. I'm shocked that anyone would.

ETA: Crating a dog that is crate trained is a whole different situation than what Dede described.

The link was posted while I was typing up my post...I'm reading it now.

 

[BeanE]

I'm looking at the cached copy posted above, and I can't find the parts where she's laughing about as pufnstuf posted, or joking about it as stmarysmeade posted. Perhaps you could point me to it?

Please forgive my laziness in not quoting.

TIA

 

[cypress]

Where is the part about her thinking this is funny? Is it in a different post?

 

[cypress]

I'm looking at the cached copy posted above, and I can't find the parts where she's laughing about as pufnstuf posted, or joking about it as stmarysmeade posted. Perhaps you could point me to it?

Please forgive my laziness in not quoting.

TIA

LOL, I posted that exact same question! Great minds...or something. ;o)

I'd really like to read the post where she laughing about this situation.

 

[Donjeta]

The importance of the dog is its effect on her diet.

It's not a laughing matter to her.

 

[pufnstuf]

That people see Dede's dogsitting post so differently is representative of the division of opinion in this forum over Terri's and Dede's involvement in Kyron's disappearance.

I really don't care which side of a debate I'm on, I know animal cruelty when I see it, and that is animal cruelty--probably the worst that I've ever seen someone publicly admit to.

A puppy without food and water "for days."

Penned in a laundry room and allowed to wedge his nose under the unsanded sharp door edge until bleeding and a "good chunk" was ripped out of his nose.

And she posts about this publicly on a blog? As if it's a perfectly normal thing for someone to do. That she didn't realize that what she did was grotesquely cruel to a small animal says a lot about her character.

 

[pufnstuf]

"4. We found out on the second day that when I shut him in my little laundry room with his water & food dish, he will dump the contents of both all over the floor. So he's had to spend his days locked in a teeny room with no water or food.

5. We didn't find out until the 4th or 5th day where the blood was coming from. When he's locked in the laundry room, there is just enough clearance under the door for him to get his nose wedged under it. Because the door is cheap and the bottom edges aren't sanded smooth, he scraped a good chunk of skin off the top of his nose. Consequently, there is blood all over the laundry room floor, the rugs in my bathroom, a vanity bench, my bedding including a down comforter, and my microsuade couch."

So that says that there was blood, but she didn't even bother to check on him to see why he was bleeding. Until the FOURTH OR FIFTH DAY. No, what was important to her was that he got blood on her possessions.

Ugh. Indefensible.

 

[stmarysmead]

LOL, I posted that exact same question! Great minds...or something. ;o)

I'd really like to read the post where she laughing about this situation.

Okay, is she saying. "I was devastated to come home and find the dog I was being paid to care for had gone all day with no food or water. He's going to be here for 5 or 6 days so I have to find another plan."

Where does she mention how viewing the suffering of an animal that went on for days..the dog bleeding in trying to get to food or water...where does she show empathy or distress.

Anything can be excused? You would want Dede to care for YOUR dog, your baby, your invalid Mother?

Amazing!

 

[debs]

Is this a specific tool designed for a specific audience?

 

[Donjeta]

Not to excuse any animal cruelty but I assumed that she gave the dog food and water in the morning and when she got home from work and kept him without while she was at work and couldn't supervise his eating. He may have been thirsty during the day but several dogs I know only eat once or twice a day in normal circumstances.

 

[pufnstuf]

In 1997, the Massachusetts Society for the Prevention of Cruelty to Animals and Northeastern Univesity published a joint study that added to these findings. In the study, called Cruelty to Animals and Other Crimes, researchers evaluated dog abuse and other forms of animal abuse in Massachusetts over twenty years.

The Massachusetts researchers found that people who abused dogs and other pets before they committed crimes against people did not “graduate” to committing those other crimes. Instead, dog abuse and abuse of other pets was just “one among many anti-social behaviors exhibited” by the abusers. (The researchers also found that over half the animals abused were dogs and over a quarter were cats.)

http://dogtidbits.com/dog-history/what-dog-abuse-indicates

The study cited above: http://www.mspca.org/programs/cruel...ation/cruelty-to-animals-and-other-crimes.pdf

 

[pufnstuf]

Not to excuse any animal cruelty but I assumed that she gave the dog food and water in the morning and when she got home from work and kept him without while she was at work and couldn't supervise his eating. He may have been thirsty during the day but several dogs I know only eat once or twice a day in normal circumstances.

With small-breed puppies, if you don't keep them nourished with water and several meals through the day, they can quickly develop hypoglycemia.

That's bad enough, but the chunk ripped out of the puppy's nose is especially disturbing.

 

[stmarysmead]

That people see Dede's dogsitting post so differently is representative of the division of opinion in this forum over Terri's and Dede's involvement in Kyron's disappearance.

I really don't care which side of a debate I'm on, I know animal cruelty when I see it, and that is animal cruelty--probably the worst that I've ever seen someone publicly admit to.

A puppy without food and water "for days."

Penned in a laundry room and allowed to wedge his nose under the unsanded sharp door edge until bleeding and a "good chunk" was ripped out of his nose.

And she posts about this publicly on a blog? As if it's a perfectly normal thing for someone to do. That she didn't realize that what she did was grotesquely cruel to a small animal says a lot about her character.

I agree. But WS is widely read. Most readers can see this debate and will draw their own conclusions. They will think of someone helpless in their lives...the child they leave in daycare, the parent in the nursing home, the dog being watched by a petsitter. They will read Dede's words (best friend of Terri) and think of that loved person or pet...and ask if they would want someone like Dede in control of them.

Would you?

Thery will think of hours with no water. Hours with no food. The poor thing scraping himself bloody trying to get out.

Then those who just read here will judge for themselves if it's no big deal.

Or if it adds insight into the capacity for cruelty...to blow off suffering like it is nothing.

Then they will think of Teri and Dede...as best friends.

Then they will think of Kyron.

 

[stmarysmead]

Not to excuse any animal cruelty but I assumed that she gave the dog food and water in the morning and when she got home from work and kept him without while she was at work and couldn't supervise his eating. He may have been thirsty during the day but several dogs I know only eat once or twice a day in normal circumstances.

It went on for DAYS.

 

[BeanE]

"4. We found out on the second day that when I shut him in my little laundry room with his water & food dish, he will dump the contents of both all over the floor. So he's had to spend his days locked in a teeny room with no water or food.

5. We didn't find out until the 4th or 5th day where the blood was coming from. When he's locked in the laundry room, there is just enough clearance under the door for him to get his nose wedged under it. Because the door is cheap and the bottom edges aren't sanded smooth, he scraped a good chunk of skin off the top of his nose. Consequently, there is blood all over the laundry room floor, the rugs in my bathroom, a vanity bench, my bedding including a down comforter, and my microsuade couch."
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The tone of the Blog is one of amusement. She mentions she loves this dog...but then we get into the litany of inconvenience.

Okay. I thought when it was posted that she joked and that she had laughed, that she had actually joked and laughed.

Thanks SMM.

 

[nonfictionrocks]

is this a specific tool designed for a specific audience?

^bump^

 

[wondering1]

The importance of the dog is its effect on her diet.
It's not a laughing matter to her.

And its effect on her stuff...particularly her *microsuede couch.* And the effect of the effect on her stuff on her diet.
:furious:

 

[debs]

I have a cat, Skittles (I call her Tubby). When she was a kitten, I left her and her brother Snickers in my apartment. There was a bowl of food and water in every room of the house. I left water in the tub in case they managed to tip over the water. What I didn't plan on was that the wind would blow one of the bedroom doors closed, with Tubby on the inside. I was gone 2 days, and by the time I'd gotten back, she'd tried to claw her way out from under the door and caused some bad chafing on her front paws in the process.

I'm not a bad pet owner, and sometimes things happen. Dede sounds like she left the puppy in a room, not a crate, and tried to figure out what the puppy was doing to hurt itself, and figured out after a few days that he was sticking his nose under the rough door. She didn't force the puppy's nose under the door and take the chunk off the puppy's nose herself. She couldn't figure it out for a few days.

I don't agree with taking the food and water from the puppy, but then I also don't know how long she was gone during the day. Was it for an hour, a couple hours, what? I don't know.

All I know is this was blogged 2 years ago about something in her indeterminate past, and I can't see how it pertains to Kyron, since Kaine says she was rarely at his home, and can't remember more than a few times he's ever seen her.