"a specific tool ...designed for a specific audience."

[stmarysmead]

i think cypress (and others) would like a link to this information described above.

The link was removed and not posted by me. But that is my reaction to what I read.

I'm waiting on permission to say more.

 

[Mylou]

I loved that flier that had Terri and Dede's picture on it, with Kaine's truck. The comment was "If you saw ANYONE ON THIS FLIER near the Horman truck...."

As I pointed out once before (and was scoffed; got the message so please refrain from scoffing again) Terri and Dede were not the only two people on that flier. There are plenty of pictures of Terri alone; why were there pictures of Desiree and Kaine on that new flier? Why the vague "ANYONE ON THIS FLIER"......why not just the pictures of Terri and Dede. It isn't answered with scoffs. I'm asking a serious question. There are plenty of pictures of Terri alone. why were Kaine and Desiree included?

I must have missed this Debs, I will have to go back and find that flier.
Just this knowledge surprises me, I totally missed it.

 

[Kimster]

Are we permitted to discuss this?

It is so hard to answer this when I have no idea where it came from. Is it an allowed link? Try the link and see if it goes ***** then you'll know.

Or is it from an area being discussed in the Parking Lot? If it is a Parking Lot thread, then keep it in the Parking Lot please.

I have no idea where this reference came from so I can't tell you if it is allowed or not. But if someone is stating it as a fact, we need to know why.

 

[Billylee]

Here's the quote from Staton that makes me think they no longer suspect Dede:

"A lot of the things we looked at or suspected we no longer look at, we no longer suspect them,"


My reasoning that this most likely applies to DS, is because as far as I've heard or read about, there have really only been a couple of people "suspected" since Day 1, that would be TH & DS. So assuming they still suspect TH, that eliminates DS. But that's just my guess and gut feeling.

http://www.kgw.com/news/local/Sheriff-No-evidence-Kyron-Horman-is-not-alive-103003704.html

 

[Donjeta]

Here's the quote from Staton that makes me think they no longer suspect Dede:

"A lot of the things we looked at or suspected we no longer look at, we no longer suspect them,"


My reasoning that this most likely applies to DS, is because as far as I've heard or read about, there have really only been a couple of people "suspected" since Day 1, that would be TH & DS. So assuming they still suspect TH, that eliminates DS. But that's just my guess and gut feeling.

http://www.kgw.com/news/local/Sheriff-No-evidence-Kyron-Horman-is-not-alive-103003704.html

IDK about that... He says things, not people. So he could mean that they've ruled out hypotheses like voluntarily running away, wandering out in the woods confused, familial abduction by non-custodial parent, certain motives, details about the timeline, sightings that don't fit, verified some alibis... etc.

 

[Calliope]

i think cypress (and others) would like a link to this information described above.

It's false. just a rumor.

 

[i.b.nora]

It is so hard to answer this when I have no idea where it came from. Is it an allowed link? Try the link and see if it goes ***** then you'll know.

Or is it from an area being discussed in the Parking Lot? If it is a Parking Lot thread, then keep it in the Parking Lot please.

I have no idea where this reference came from so I can't tell you if it is allowed or not. But if someone is stating it as a fact, we need to know why.

The original link posted here was posted by Mayagirl but she removed the link.

The link is to a FaceBook Discussion Board Topic that is dedicated to the demonization, hate mongering, and libeling of Dede Spicher.

The specific post that was linked to or called out was to a post that was asking Dede if she remembered a post that she had made more than two years ago in her own personal blog, which has since closed. So, there really is no absolute proof that what is reproduced there is actually written by Dede.

I personally don't see why there would be a reason to discuss it here.

 

[Kimster]

Thank you guys for explaining. Let's leave that info here so others will know what the issue is and not make the same mistake.

Carry on! :grouphug:

 

[debs]

It is so hard to answer this when I have no idea where it came from. Is it an allowed link? Try the link and see if it goes ***** then you'll know.

Or is it from an area being discussed in the Parking Lot? If it is a Parking Lot thread, then keep it in the Parking Lot please.

I have no idea where this reference came from so I can't tell you if it is allowed or not. But if someone is stating it as a fact, we need to know why.

It gets even more dicey when it's a quote on the open (and therefore can be discussed) Dede support FB page, yet the link provided to prove it's a quote from her garden blog page is a dead link; the page doesn't exist any longer. How to prove it isn't just BS someone is writing about Dede? I can't, so it's best to stay out of the mud pit someone is making out there.....gives me the heebie jeebies.

 

[stmarysmead]

Kimster, there was a link here to quote from DeDe's blog prior to this case. It was linked to on the open Facebook page supporting her. I do not have the link...this was not my post.

But it has upset me very much.

It related to DeDe writing of her amusement about locking a puppy in a small area for a few days. She jokes that he turned over his water and food so had to do without. This was a dog she was asked to care for.

Frankly,if this is true... I think it is pertinent to the mindset of one of Teri's closest friends. Could any of us listen to the yelping and suffering of a helpless animal? Could we go about our business knowing he has no water. Would we find pleasure and amusement in the suffering?

Animal abuse is often a characteristic of those sadistic enough to go on to other crimes. How far is it from joking about the suffering of a helpless animal in your care to hurting a helpless child for a friend?

If it is REALLY false, I'd like to know that for a fact...because I've been pretty much sick about it since I read it.

Was it denied? Did the link never work?

 

[wondering1]

Kimster, there was a link here to quote from DeDe's blog prior to this case. It was linked to on the open Facebook page supporting her. I do not have the link...this was not my post.

But it has upset me very much.

It related to DeDe writing of her amusement about locking a puppy in a small area for a few days. She jokes that he turned over his water and food so had to do without. This was a dog she was asked to care for.

Frankly,if this is true... I think it is pertinent to the mindset of one of Teri's closest friends. Could any of us listen to the yelping and suffering of a helpless animal? Could we go about our business knowing he has no water. Would we find pleasure and amusement in the suffering?

Animal abuse is often a characteristic of those sadistic enough to go on to other crimes. How far is it from joking about the suffering of a helpless animal in your care to hurting a helpless child for a friend?

If it is REALLY false, I'd like to know that for a fact...because I've been pretty much sick about it since I read it.

Was it denied? Did the link never work?

I was on her blog when it was open. I think there are threads about it. I just don't know if the puppy blog, specifically, was discussed. If it was, it's my understanding that we could still discuss it even though the blog is now private or deleted....just like discussing what was previously posted about TH's fb before it went private.

That said, I couldn't bring myself to read it, and didn't read it again today. But it's there in the cached file with her pic and all. We can't link to it or discuss it unless it was previously discussed and linked, but there's no question it is from dede's blog. I'll search and see if it was, but I s*ck at searching WS :blushing:

 

[stmarysmead]

These are things that I consider "sickening." I hope they are even to those who think Terri and Dede are innocent. Things should not always break down on the internet along certain lines...or at least I hope they would not.

Would Dede like to be helpless, dependent on someone else for food , water, to take her to the bathroom? Would she think it amusing to lay there thirsty, hungry, in her own soil? Is this the way the helpless are to be treated?

Even if not permitted here..if there is a trial...I hope it comes in. I am sick over this. Sick at reading it. Sick that Dede would post this as funny. Sick that now that they are suspected of even more heinous cruelty that they are not fully exposed.

I hope this can be retrieved for a trial. It shows the capacity of these people to enjoy suffering.

I hope that link will be posted everywhere it is allowed. If this is NOT true...I hope it can be validated that it is not. Because it is terrible to even think of. Was this Dede's blog...or not?

Is there more "sickening" humor like this to be revealed in this case? Is this the LEAST of it? Tormenting a helpless animal in your care?

Anyone capable of this type of cruelty and finding amusement in it, is capable of anything.

 

[gliving]

I'm lost. What was the OP topic? TIA

Still lost!

 

[wondering1]

ha! found one!

eta: a mod-sanctioned reference to the puppy blog, that is. I had a feeling it was mentioned

[ame="http://www.websleuths.com/forums/showpost.php?p=5438372&postcount=655"]Websleuths Crime Sleuthing Community - View Single Post - Source: Homes of Terri Horman's friends searched[/ame]

 

[stmarysmead]

My Mother spent her last years in a nursing home. As much as loved ones tried to be there...we were dependent upon the decency and empathy of others to see to her care and comfort. They brought the water in the night, helped her to the bathroom, pulled up the cover when she was cold. I am eternally grateful for their goodness. They did not love her as we did..but they had decency and empathy and the inability to cause or endure suffering of the helpless.

I see the treatment of anything or anyone helpless pretty much in that light. Did Dede have the moral emptiness to laugh at this dog's suffering? It's no small matter...and should not be waved away.

In fact it is more than pertinent to the "capacity for cruelty" among one of the prominent individuals appearing on police flyers.

 

[Adrienne37]

I'm very thankful that I never read this about before and can't understand how anyone could find that even remotely funny or entertaining. JMO.

 

[Chili Fries]

Here is her actual blog about the puppy, saved in Google cache (just click "cancel" when prompted for a password):

http://webcache.googleusercontent.com/search?q=cache:y39hOgHASPcJ:deedle-dede.blogspot.com/2008/04/when-it-starts-to-go-sideways.html+http://deedle-dede.blogspot.com/2008/04/when-it-starts-to-go-sideways.html&cd=3&hl=en&ct=clnk&gl=us

 

[stmarysmead]

Two points. When you have a blog, you choose how you present yourself. In a sense, you also write for an audience. Maybe this ties in well after all with this thread.

Who was the audience that Dede meant to amuse with that post? Maybe the same group to whom LE is referring.

Would your friends or mine find that blog post about neglecting a dog for days hilarious? Would they be impressed? Would they be even more desirous of beuing my friend?

Burt, of course, in this best friend situation, we have Terri...whom LE believes tried to buy a hit on her husband, whose little step-son has disappeared...and the Dog Sitter who just split her sides laughing over a thirsty, hungry dog having to relieve himself in a small trapped area.

Quite a well-matched pair IMO.

I hope LE has read every word.

 

[pufnstuf]

Kimster, there was a link here to quote from DeDe's blog prior to this case. It was linked to on the open Facebook page supporting her. I do not have the link...this was not my post.

But it has upset me very much.

It related to DeDe writing of her amusement about locking a puppy in a small area for a few days. She jokes that he turned over his water and food so had to do without. This was a dog she was asked to care for.

Frankly,if this is true... I think it is pertinent to the mindset of one of Teri's closest friends. Could any of us listen to the yelping and suffering of a helpless animal? Could we go about our business knowing he has no water. Would we find pleasure and amusement in the suffering?

Animal abuse is often a characteristic of those sadistic enough to go on to other crimes. How far is it from joking about the suffering of a helpless animal in your care to hurting a helpless child for a friend?

If it is REALLY false, I'd like to know that for a fact...because I've been pretty much sick about it since I read it.

Was it denied? Did the link never work?

I saw it on the blog before she killed her blog.

Not only did she make him do without water and food, she also laughed about him trying to claw his way out of the room where she had isolated him. She said that he tried to nose under the door until his nose was BLEEDING and blood was everywhere. She showed no concern toward the animal and actually griped about him getting blood on her floor.

I have the whole post saved. It was an exhibition of inhumane treatment toward a defenseless little dachshund that she was supposed to be pet-sitting--I saved it because I thought if she could do that to a five-pound animal and laugh about it, then there is no telling what she could do to a child.

It is NOT a rumor. It was a paragraphs-long post by Dede herself. It's indefensible.

 

[cypress]

I'm trying to understand what happened.

So, basically, Dede was responsible for caring for a puppy for a specific period of time. She either penned or crated the puppy, and the puppy knocked over his water and food bowls. She proceeded to laugh about the mess the puppy made, saying something about the puppy having to go without food and water, in a kind of "serves him right!" tone. Does anyone know how long the puppy went without food and water? Did she leave the puppy crated or penned for an entire weekend?

A very good friend of mine is a NICU nurse. She lives in an apartment, and she has a dog. If she doesn't crate the dog (it's a small dog) while she's away, it goes insane. So, while she's at work, she crates the dog and the dog is always fine. FWIW, the crate/pen is HUGE. Occasionally, she'll return home and the dog's food and water will be overturned, and one time, the dog managed to snag her feather down comforter off her bed and proceeded to rip it to shreds. With the exception of when the dog was a puppy, it never soiled its crate, so the dog doesn't sit in its urine or feces. She has, however, laughed about the mess the dog will make.

IMHO, with regard to this situation, it depends on how long the puppy was left alone. If Dede was responsible for the puppy, penned or crated it, went to run errands for several hours and returned to a disaster, then it was probably better to laugh it off. She was able to clean up the mess, clean up the dog, and feed and water the dog without the dog being neglected.

If, however, she was responsible for the puppy and this happened, and the puppy was left without food and water and was sitting in its excrement for several days, well, then, that's a different story, and it's wrong. IMHO, though, it doesn't automatically follow that her negligence when it comes to an animal escalates to her helping to abduct and possibly murder a child.