Abby & Libby - The Delphi Murders - Richard Allen Arrested - #201

[girlhasnoname]

Thinking that the investigative team should thoroughly test the only outside dna that they found at the crime scene regardless of who’s family it belongs to is in no way making insinuations against the family.

It’s basic police work.

IMO

We don't know for a fact that the hair in Abby's hand is the only outside DNA they have yet. MOO

 

[arielilane]

@KylaBRussell
#NEW: Jurors were shown a video today taken on Libby’s phone at the Monon High Bridge on Feb. 13. What we saw lasted about 35 seconds.In it, you can hear one of the girls say something along the lines of, “The trail ends here. There's no path, so we can go down here.”




1:36 PM · Oct 22, 2024

 

[KentuckyMama]

Why did the suspect drag Libby 7-8 feet across the crime scene when she was dying, bleeding out, nearly decapitated? Abby had her neck cut and she died on the spot, not so with Libby. Why was she dragged, bleeding on trees and leaves? What was the suspect thinking?

My thought on this is that maybe she wasn't dragged. Maybe that was the movements she made trying to get away as she was dying.

 

[arielilane]

@KaitlynReports

We have recessed for lunch. We will be back at 2 PM. However, updates will come as soon as I am able when we break at the end of the day.


1:39 PM · Oct 22, 2024

 

[dub]

Something I’ve been thinking about for a while: the thing I am most interested in right now is confirmation of the murder weapon, and whether or not it actually was a box cutter.

RA had a collection of blades, right? It seems very weird to me that he’s finally making real this dark fantasy or whatever, and despite all the weapons at his disposal he goes for the CVS issued box cutter.

And more importantly, killing TWO people with a box cutter suggests an extreme amount of confidence in one’s ability with a bladed weapon.

This is not at all to cast doubt on wee Ricky’s guilt, I absolutely believe he did this. It’s more to cast doubt on the idea that it was his first time.

 

[Simply Southern]

Me neither. Hunting taking place on private property, directly adjacent to a historical trail popular with walkers, doesn’t sound accurate to me.

And that round is not a typical hunting round.

It was not hunting season

https://www.in.gov/dnr/fish-and-wil.../hunting-trapping-guide/deer-hunting-question

To detailed to paste, very specify dates, weapons, specific ammunition.

 

[x_files]

I'm trying to follow this case, but am way behind.
Did they ever reveal if the Bridge Guy was wearing a brown cap or hat or was just his hair?

 

[MassGuy]

I don’t think the difficult part of this case for the prosecution will be proving that BG = Killer.

I think it will be proving BG = RA

Especially given that no one positively identified BG as RA and the differing witness descriptions of who they saw.

JMO

Fortunately Allen went a long way in identifying himself as BG.

Three juvenile females passed a male dressed as BG. They said they could not make out his face, but described his clothing and his height.

Allen admitted to passing these females, and gave a similar description of his clothing.

This is really the only witness statement that matters, as both parties corroborate it (although Allen’s statement means a hell of a lot more).

There is no way these girls could positively identify a man whose face they could not see clearly.

 

[girlhasnoname]

I don’t think the difficult part of this case for the prosecution will be proving that BG = Killer.

I think it will be proving BG = RA

Especially given that no one positively identified BG as RA and the differing witness descriptions of who they saw.

JMO

I'll wait until we hear from the witnesses until I believe that is a fact nobody positively ID'd him. I can see that BG=RA=Killer.

I've studied that video at least 100 times and many pictures of RA pre murders and post arrest. It is the same body frame: longer torso, short legs, hands in pockets, baggy pants (light jeans on the video) that break and roll in the same spot no matter what pants RA is wearing be it jeans, sweats, or prison jumpsuit.

JMO

 

[BUF]

More about this witness and Libby’s cell in this WISHTV update…

The state’s second witness was Indiana State Police Lt. Brian Bunner, a state forensic examiner who’s worked with ISP’s digital forensic unit since 2009.

Delphi Murders trial: Day 4 live blog

Day 4 of the Delphi Murders trial will take place at the Carroll County courthouse on Tuesday. Follow our live blog for the latest updates.

www.wishtv.com

 

[Seattle1]

https://twitter.com/x/status/1848752109744783838

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In comparison, photo of Abby by Libby on the bridge taken on 2/13:



Photo Credit

ETA: From quoted post, Abby found wearing a black sweatshirt and blue jeans of Libby.

 

[JAY CLUCK]

What do you guys think about the White Nationalists theory?
"On Monday, attorneys for a double murder suspect filed documents, saying their client is innocent, and that members of a "white nationalist group" are responsible for the crime.

The defense for Richard Allen, accused of killing teenagers Abby Williams and Libby German in Delphi, Indiana, said the group had a motive, because one of the girls' parents was dating a person of another race."

Attorneys for Delphi murders suspect claim 'white nationalist group' is responsible

It’s a joke.

Something I’ve been thinking about for a while: the thing I am most interested in right now is confirmation of the murder weapon, and whether or not it actually was a box cutter.

RA had a collection of blades, right? It seems very weird to me that he’s finally making real this dark fantasy or whatever, and despite all the weapons at his disposal he goes for the CVS issued box cutter.

And more importantly, killing TWO people with a box cutter suggests an extreme amount of confidence in one’s ability with a bladed weapon.

This is not at all to cast doubt on wee Ricky’s guilt, I absolutely believe he did this. It’s more to cast doubt on the idea that it was his first time.

The stated weapon makes no sense and arguably impossible physically for sure. It’s either he’s lying about the weapon or duress confession.

 

[Deleted member 296739]

It was not hunting season

https://www.in.gov/dnr/fish-and-wil.../hunting-trapping-guide/deer-hunting-question

To detailed to paste, very specify dates, weapons, specific ammunition.

It was not deer season but you can shoot small game on private property year round and carry a handgun with you while hunting- not saying that is how the bullet got to where it did, but shooting on private property for small game appears to be permitted and if IN is like the southeast- in my experience , people regularly carry handguns when walking, hiking, camping and hunting etc … moo

 

[x_files]

It’s a joke.


The stated weapon makes no sense and arguably impossible physically for sure. It’s either he’s lying about the weapon or duress confession.

Thank you.
The crime seems sexually motivated versus a warning. IMHO.

 

[Colinnew]

It was not deer season but you can shoot small game on private property year round and carry a handgun with you while hunting- not saying that is how the bullet got to where it did, but shooting on private property for small game appears to be permitted and if IN is like the southeast- in my experience , people regularly carry handguns when walking, hiking, camping and hunting etc … moo

A 40 S & W is not a small game weapon.

 

[katydid23]

Just looking for opinions here - obviously not facts.

Aside from us all wanting justice done and if you set aside the facts we have heard so far - the things we have heard about RA - if you look at the individual, if you see his wife and family, if you see how he was open enough to share those facts we know, if you look at how he has deteriorated in some ways in prison - - do you personally feel he could be capable of doing what was done?

Yes, I do feel he was capable. He possibly had a drinking problem, was we know 911 was called by his wife one time and he was drunk. And he was diagnosed with serious depression. Which can be escalated if someone has drinking problem mixed with the medications he was taking.

As to the deterioration in prison, I think that could be partially from guilt and regret for prior actions because he was also having mental health issues in 2019 and sought treatment at the time. So this deterioration had already started before incarceration, IMO.

Maybe I haven’t heard everything? ( was he a hunter? Previous arrests? Known for being violent?).

We don't know about previous violence. My feeling at this time is that he had intense fantasy life and had strong urges which he tried to suppress. And the alcohol mixed with his meds for depression for him down.

Also, what changed in Feb of 2017? His young daughter announced engagement and moved in with her fiancé AND his wife had a sudden family tragedy which neccessitated her spending a lot of time at her mother's, out of town.

So quite suddenly, RA found himself alone much of the time. I think that might have triggered hi emotionally and MADE IT POSSIBLE because he had more time alone, with no one watching him.

I am NOT saying my opinion is that he didn’t do it - not at all. I’m just want JUSTICE and for them to have the right guy!!! Also, I know sometimes a killer is not what you expect them to be like - example: Ted Bundy.
Just looking for opinions and conversation!!

JMO

And BTK---family man, devoted church member, community leader, employed by government to keep eye on neighbourhood infractions, husband and father of 2 daughters. Yet brutally slaughtered families, neighbours, strangers just for fun.

 

[BUF]

Bunner said he extracted video four separate times between 2017 and 2019. In 2017, the phone was sent to the Department of Homeland Security for additional analysis.

A clip played in the courtroom today did not show the “down the hill” portion released earlier in the investigation. Jurors saw about 35 to 40 seconds of video captured from Libby’s iPhone.

In the clip, one of the girls says something to the effect of, “There’s no path down here. We’ve got to go down here.” It was immediately unclear whether the voice belonged to Abby Williams or Libby German. The video cut off after that.

It seemed as if the girls were reacting to an order from “Bridge Guy” to go “down the hill,” according to FOX59/CBS4’s Russ McQuaid. It was the first time a longer version of the video had been played in public.
……..
Jurors had eight questions after Bunner’s testimony—the most they’ve asked once the prosecution and defense have finished with a witness.

https://fox59.com/delphi-trial/delphi-murders-jurors-watch-video-extracted-from-libby-germans-phone/

 

[Yemelyan]

My thought on this is that maybe she wasn't dragged. Maybe that was the movements she made trying to get away as she was dying.

In the pre-trial hearings we learned from LE testimony that her arm was above her head as if she had been dragged and the blood pattern/transfer on her face and body seemed to signify positional flow as if she had been dragged (Maj. Cicero's testimony). I expect they will re-visit this soon so we may find out more.

Edited to make a word more clear...

 

[JAY CLUCK]

A 40 S & W is not a small game weapon.

People just shoot guns for fun. I don’t know why a lot of folks don’t get that there doesn’t have to be an animal on the other end. I’ve shot thousands of rounds in the woods just for fun.

I personally think he did it but sadly this cartridge to anyone seasoned with guns from a rural area, is a nothingburger. A loose cartridge in a common caliber common brand, most common 40 caliber handgun in America. You didn’t photograph the tip and whole cartridge. No evidence marker. There’s better evidence in this case. I hope they drop it.

 

[Deleted member 296739]

A 40 S & W is not a small game weapon.

ummm no, but it is a handgun, which would be allowed to be carried while hunting and OP original question was if hunting was allowed in the area, and the answer is yes-

is allowed in the area, on private property- (and other places) with varying degrees of licensing and permitting and regulations around days, dates, times and bag limits -

I don’t think the S & W is a small game weapon (or at least not a practical normative one-)

I was speaking to hunting in the area and the right to carry handguns while hunting