Abby & Libby - The Delphi Murders - Richard Allen Arrested - #201

[MassGuy]

I agree. But IMO, the exact identification is not important in this context. The purpose of these witnesses is not to identify Richard Allen.

The point is, multiple people told investigators they saw a guy resembling BG, around the bridge, at a certain time (that seems not to have been recorded in the media reports), and he was alone.

Perhaps the defense will bring forward witnesses who saw a vehicle/vehicles with a group of Odinists roaming the park?

JMO

Exactly. They say he was there, and he corroborates that they saw him there.

 

[Melted]

Exactly. They say he was there, and he corroborates that they saw him there.

He says that he saw 3 girls, 4 girls say they saw BG.

Nobody says he was there and he doesn’t corroborate anything.

JMO

 

[Boxer]

Maybe they did see a completely different man; it's theoretically possible. None of that cancels out the fact that Allen says he was there, and that he freely admits he was dressed like BG.

But Allen says he saw three females, and three females say they saw him. There's almost no chance that one of them would not have come forward early on. As I described in my example earlier, witness descriptions can be way off.

His clothing description was his first confession.

Another thing, if the D thought there was a valid chain of custody issue, rather than seeking experts to refute the similarity in the markings to RA’s gun, they would’ve filed a motion stating the bullet to be inadmissible evidence on those grounds. I don’t recall that happening and if not, there’s nothing irregular about the chain of custody other than the D blowing around some smoke about photos. JMO

Yes. It its just activity.

 

[Boxer]

He says that he saw 3 girls, 4 girls say they saw BG.

Nobody says he was there and he doesn’t corroborate anything.

JMO

He saw the girls they saw him.

 

[Bbgiraffe]

There is no interrogation available to watch, his “interview” with detectives in October 2022. And you can’t watch it.

JMO

So after they went back to him. I just feel like its convenient that he changed his story, if we believe DD's notes at that time, before he knew there was a video he said he was at the trail until 3:30. Once they come back to him years later now he is leaving at 2:15 when he probably knows the video time stamp is 2:13.

The street name as last name was IMO to confuse things. Purposely done by him. I don't know you probably know more than me, was that just an error by DD or could RA have purposely said the wrong name.

 

[MassGuy]

He says that he saw 3 girls, 4 girls say they saw BG.

Nobody says he was there and he doesn’t corroborate anything.

JMO

I mean, if someone thinks there was another guy there dressed as BG looking at fish, I’ve got a bridge to sell them.

His clothing description was a confession. It gave law enforcement probable cause to search his home.

It sounds like he’s confessed many times since then.

 

[Melted]

He saw the girls they saw him.

I don’t think you are understanding what I’m saying.

Richard Allen says he saw 3 girls.

4 girls said they saw BG.

Richard Allen does not say he saw 4 girls.

4 girls do not say they saw Richard Allen.

JMO

 

[Deleted member 39678]

Eyewitness testimony is a potent form of evidence for convicting the accused, but it is subject to unconscious memory distortions and biases even among the most confident of witnesses.

So memory can be remarkably accurate or remarkably inaccurate. Without objective evidence, the two are indistinguishable.

Myth: Eyewitness Testimony is the Best Kind of Evidence

Activities in this unit reveal how eyewitness testimony is subject to unconscious memory distortions and biases even among the most confident of witnesses.

www.psychologicalscience.org

 

[Melted]

So after they went back to him. I just feel like its convenient that he changed his story, if we believe DD's notes at that time, before he knew there was a video he said he was at the trail until 3:30. Once they come back to him years later now he is leaving at 2:15 when he probably knows the video time stamp is 2:13.

The street name as last name was IMO to confuse things. Purposely done by him. I don't know you probably know more than me, was that just an error by DD or could RA have purposely said the wrong name.

I’m not sure if he said he was on the trail until 3:30. I believe that in dullins note it was a time frame of between 130 and 330, not that he was there for 2 hours from 130 until 3:30 if that makes sense.

If you can source the note and prove that incorrect id be more than happy to admit I’m wrong

Imo

 

[arielilane]

This is just my opinion

RA is a VERY short man. Only 5% of adult males are 5’4 or shorter, that would be what someone notices about Richard Allen if there was a brief interaction: “that was a short man”. It would stand out much more than his clothing or his mood “he didn’t seem very happy” before any of that it would be “short man”

It seems as if out of the 4 witnesses so far, nobody has described a short man. Instead they have all been pretty close to putting the man around 5’10… half a foot taller than 5’4…. The same difference between someone who is 5’8 and 6’2 to put it in perspective.

RA does not = BG for this reason alone.

MOO

Edited to add source

https://www2.census.gov/library/publications/2010/compendia/statab/130ed/tables/11s0205.pdf

Agreed. I know people want to be helpful, but do people really notice others on the trails? I know I dont, but, then I dont give much creditable to eyewitness testimony. Typically others are preoccupied with themselves and their needs. only moo

 

[Hatch]

My opinion is that unless we get a full confession, none of us non-violent people will be able to fathom what was pleasing and/or imperative in his mind.

He could’ve had some fetish about blending them somehow. I have no idea.

The one thing that is plausible to me is that if he had some weird compulsion about switching their clothing, it had to be Libby’s clothes on Abby. Frankly Abby was much slimmer than Libby and he wouldn’t have been able to dress Libby in Abby’s clothing.

Just my speculation. Not strong enough to even be an opinion.

The fetish theory has came across my thoughts as well unsure if he planned on there being two girls, stated we most likely will never know unless he tells a chilling Chris Watts confession. I still stand by the thought once the deed of the killing started it was done in a hurry.

 

[lonetraveler]

https://twitter.com/x/status/1848856021772431781

I would never describe Richard Allen as "boyish".

 

[FrostedGlass]

RA did not describe his clothing exactly like BG. He didn't remember for sure what he was wearing that day. MOO

Page 10
He told investigators he was wearing blue jeans, blue or black Carhartt jacket with a hood.
Advised he may have been wearing some type of head covering as well.

https://interactive.wthr.com/pdfs/08C01-2210-MR-000001.pdf

 

[MassGuy]

He says that he saw 3 girls, 4 girls say they saw BG.

Nobody says he was there and he doesn’t corroborate anything.

JMO

The AA talks about 3 juveniles.

 

[Sunny Day]

I totally think it's possible, just based on the wide variety of murderers prosecuted. It's been said by psychologists and profilers that killers who commit crimes like this horrible one usually have very vivid and detailed fantasies before (and after) the murders. I guess there are some who are able to really divide and separate their fantasy life from the one they share with their loved ones and the public.
IMO!! good convo starter for sure

I think it's totally possible. Thinking about the Gilgo Beach Serial Killer. He lived what was seemingly a normal life, was a successful architect in Manhattan and lived with his wife and two adult children on Long Island. His house was, however, in disrepair for an architect.
My opinion only.

 

[JAY CLUCK]

I don’t think you are understanding what I’m saying.

Richard Allen says he saw 3 girls.

4 girls said they saw BG.

Richard Allen does not say he saw 4 girls.

4 girls do not say they saw Richard Allen.

JMO

This is a pretty critical point that seems obvious but is so easily overlooked by those who see RA and BG as interchangeable <modsnip>

 

[Teche]

DBM

 

[Arkay]

He says that he saw 3 girls, 4 girls say they saw BG.

Nobody says he was there and he doesn’t corroborate anything.

JMO

Richard Allen said he was there.

Regardless of how many girls….it’s not “nobody” said he was there, unless your opinion is that Richard Allen is not important enough in his own trial?

Source is hundreds of pages and thousands of posts that he himself told LE he was on the bridge that afternoon.

 

[MassGuy]

RA did not describe his clothing exactly like BG. He didn't remember for sure what he was wearing that day. MOO

Page 10
He told investigators he was wearing blue jeans, blue or black Carhartt jacket with a hood.
Advised he may have been wearing some type of head covering as well.

https://interactive.wthr.com/pdfs/08C01-2210-MR-000001.pdf

TADA!

 

[arielilane]

Waiting for the science in this case. Technology? Is there going to be any technology to tie up the loose ends?
The unspent bullet alone, doesnt do it for me. jmo