Abby & Libby - The Delphi Murders - Richard Allen Arrested - #202

[steeltowngirl]

Motion Filed Motion to Admit Evidence of Odinism/ Norse Paganism/ Ritualistic Killing Filed By: Allen, Richard M. File Stamp: 10/23/2024​

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10/23/2024​

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[shonyakay]

We all need to see the confessions--all 60+ of them, transcripts, recordings, etc. JMO

Touché

 

[WildHuncher]

Motion Filed Motion to Admit Evidence of Odinism/ Norse Paganism/ Ritualistic Killing Filed By: Allen, Richard M. File Stamp: 10/23/2024​

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10/23/2024

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We have arrived in FantasyLand.

 

[shonyakay]

Motion Filed Motion to Admit Evidence of Odinism/ Norse Paganism/ Ritualistic Killing Filed By: Allen, Richard M. File Stamp: 10/23/2024​

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They were going to do this anyway guys. Right? The judge said they can present third party stuff out of the presence of the Jury. Doesn't mean they have nexus.

 

[MassGuy]

We have arrived in FantasyLand.

I'd rather this not come in because you never know with a jury. On a personal level though, I kind of want it to come in because it's going to be hilariously stupid.

 

[Justice101]

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No other male of any description whatever was there, then. In contrast, RA put himself on the first platform on the north end of the bridge. That’s exactly when Betsy Blair saw a man there.

Her initial attempts to describe that man do not perfectly match RA’s height and age, however, thus giving rise to endless failures to connect the obvious dots for people who ain’t goin’ there no how.

Ms. Blair, turning back from the bridge, saw Abby and Libby approaching it. The man on the first platform, where RA himself has placed himself watching fish, was thus the last known person of any gender to see the girls alive, assuming BG didn’t appear on the south side. (We absolutely DO know BG followed the girls across the bridge from the north side.)

Ms. Blair saw RA on that platform. RA is BG. BG is the killer. The guy is roped and hog-tied for those willing to see.

Well said!

 

[Bergmann]

Because that’s what happens in most murders involving a sharp object. I’d expect stab wounds to their upper bodies, with their throats being slit.

Interesting, I don't have the breadth of experience to have assumed that they were also stabbed.

I'm struggling to get my head around the killer having a gun and a knife and swapping between them. Then there's the notion of an additional boxcutter which LE IIRC followed up on.

Is stabbing what happens in most sexually motivated crimes too when a knife is involved?

 

[tlcya]

Motion Filed Motion to Admit Evidence of Odinism/ Norse Paganism/ Ritualistic Killing Filed By: Allen, Richard M. File Stamp: 10/23/2024​

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and so it lands.

 

[ClearAhead]

Yes. According do murder sheet. yes. Gray talked with them.

She said she could be mistaken, it is possible that the "poofy hair" it was a hat and that he was older than 20-30 years old because she only saw him for a moment. But she saw the man in the video (BG).

This is the way it often goes during trials. We perceive witness statements to be written in stone, details discussed over and over for years.

Then comes their testimony at trial. (Not verbatim)“Well actually I was 50 feet away, just saw him for only a brief moment so maybe my initial impression that I told police might not have been quite right including his poofy hair might’ve been a hat. But he looked exactly like the man on the bridge in the photo.”

Meanwhile this is the first time the jury has ever heard of this witness’s story. To them I’m sure this testimony sounds quite reasonable. As a result out goes the original statement…..

TMS did suggest, something along the lines of, they believe in hindsight it was a mistake for LE to reinterview these witnesses several times, seeking as many specific details as could possibly be remembered. Better to have just left it at the man they saw looked like the man in the photo on the bridge.

JMO

 

[Betty P]

IMO, it's because we are hearing for the first time the State's evidence and witnesses. We weren't privy to that before trial, so of course it's going to drive the discussion in that direction.

When the Defense starts their case, I'm sure we'll hear plenty of discussion about it proving RA's innocence and that shift will be reflected here as well.

I've seen plenty that proves to me RA=BG=Killer JMO.

I agree with how engaged this jury is. They are taking their position as jurors in deciding RA's innocence or guilt seriously which is exactly how it should be.

#Justice4Abby&Libby

JMO

Right. The defense has been trying their case in the news media for several months now. The prosecution has been silent, as they should be.

For the first time, we're hearing new information and evidence from the prosecution.

 

[Betty P]

Motion Filed Motion to Admit Evidence of Odinism/ Norse Paganism/ Ritualistic Killing Filed By: Allen, Richard M. File Stamp: 10/23/2024​

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Oh, my. Defense must be struggling. JMO

 

[girlhasnoname]

Day 9 in #Justice4Abby&Libby​

 

[ClearAhead]

and so it lands.

I predict a big boot. The theory is more outlandish than ever and Click has recently lost all credibility. JMO

 

[wastelands_]

Goodnight from Australia, fellow Sleuthers (12:12am, *yawn*). I wonder what tonight’s (today’s) trial will bring. I’m assuming we will hear from Carbaugh?

 

[steeltowngirl]

and so it lands.

Yep.
Like doo-doo in a punch bowl.

 

[BexLuth0r]

This is the way it often goes during trials. We perceive witness statements to be written in stone, details discussed over and over for years.

Then comes their testimony at trial. (Not verbatim)“Well actually I was 50 feet away, just saw him for only a brief moment so maybe my initial impression that I told police might not have been quite right including his poofy hair might’ve been a hat. But he looked exactly like the man on the bridge in the photo.”

Meanwhile this is the first time the jury has ever heard of this witness’s story. To them I’m sure this testimony sounds quite reasonable. As a result out goes the original statement…..

TMS did suggest, something along the lines of, they believe in hindsight it was a mistake for LE to reinterview these witnesses several times, seeking as many specific details as could possibly be remembered. Better to have just left it at the man they saw looked like the man in the photo on the bridge.

JMO

That's a good point. Probably so keen to get an accurate description because the video was so grainy that they ended up with a number of different suspects based on eye witness testimony.

 

[MassGuy]

Interesting, I don't have the breadth of experience to have assumed that they were also stabbed.

I'm struggling to get my head around the killer having a gun and a knife and swapping between them. Then there's the notion of an additional boxcutter which LE IIRC followed up on.

Is stabbing what happens in most sexually motivated crimes too when a knife is involved?

He holds them at gunpoint, forces them to to do his bidding, and ultimately pulls out a knife and begins stabbing. It would take seconds to switch between weapons, putting his gun back in his pocket. He’s not holding them at the same time, and there is absolutely no difficulty there.

Stabbing is incredibly common in sexually motivated crimes. So he stabs them so as to incapacitate them, and slits their throats as the coup de grace. I think it’s more probable than not that he used the same weapon, but it’s totally within the realm of possibility that he switched to a box cutter for this.

I say this because if he had time to place branches on top of their bodies, then he had the time to also slit their throats with another weapon.

Law enforcement apparently had interest in different types of weapons when they served that search warrant, which is why I think there’s a chance he did use two.

We can’t be all that far away from hearing from the ME. Maybe even today.

 

[Justice101]

Because that’s what happens in most murders involving a sharp object. I’d expect stab wounds to their upper bodies, with their throats being slit.

This was not an out of control rage stabbing. This was in a secluded area... sadly, more like an execution.

 

[MassGuy]

This was not an out of control rage stabbing. This was in a secluded area... sadly, more like an execution.

Don’t disagre. I would expect stab wounds not because of rage, but because of practicality though.

 

[shonyakay]

For me, i need to see evidence establishing RA left at 1.30pm - because the man the 3 juvenile girls met was without a doubt the killer IMO.

The defense is probably going to claim that DD wrote the wrong time down on the tip narrative and that RA parked somewhere else (not by the old CPS building). So when the state shows RA's car passing the Hoosier Harveststore's camera at 1:27 p.m. heading in the direction of the old CPS building they can claim that is really him leaving.