Abby & Libby - The Delphi Murders - Richard Allen Arrested - #202

[Shadowtrix]

IMO if there were multiple stab wounds, those would’ve been illustrated in the various drawings people in court have been sharing of the photos being shown of the crime scene. In all of those sketches I’ve seen so far, there is red marker/pencil representing blood indicating wounds to the girls’ necks only, and the blood on one of their hands.

 

[arielilane]

https://twitter.com/x/status/1849068110302560318

 

[Deleted member 296739]

I'd rather this not come in because you never know with a jury. On a personal level though, I kind of want it to come in because it's going to be hilariously stupid.

I have to agree on both counts- part of me just wants to see how’d they go about describing it as plausible - from the D perspective it’s a decent method to muddy the waters and possibly create doubt- just really want a verdict vs hung jury
Moo

 

[Mirabel091]

But if Richard Allen said he was stood on platform 1, didn't see any other males, was seen by Betsy Blair, who also didn't see any other males, who then turned around and saw the girls heading towards the bridge, then a few minutes later is the Bridge Guy video, I fail to see how he is anything other than bridge guy??

And if the bridge guy isn't the one who ordered Abby and Libby down the hill, he would certainly have been close enough (based on what we now know about the video) to have witnessed it happen.

It would be a bold move to take two girls off the trail in direct view of an approaching adult male stranger who may be armed himself. But bridge guy never intervened or called the police.

And RA says he did not see any of it.

 

[snarast]

i definitely have no preconceptions about guilt or otherwise here.

for what it's worth i've always believed that Libby was catfished up to the bridge that day and that Abby was collateral damage to the perpetrator........

from that i've always thought Keegan Kline to be very likely to have had at least some involvement in the whole thing.

All i want to see is something concrete to put RA at that crime scene - then i'd need to hear a decent alternative explanation from the defence to believe him not guilty BUT i just have not yet seen such concrete evidence - therefore i take the standpoint that as yet RA could not and should not be regarded as guilty

all subject to change as the trial progresses and all just my worthless opinion

Same here. I’ve always thought this seemed like a case of catfishing, perhaps by KK, perhaps by youngsters hired to film a prank - or murder. I even considered this could be some sort of horrific crime against those who loved and loves the girls - because it seemed explosive and personal - and they were found on valentine’s day.

But RAs positioning himself on that bridge, and all the people forming a consistent timeline with nobody else in sight except RA just takes precedence over my gut feelings.

 

[Megnut]

The defense is probably going to claim that DD wrote the wrong time down on the tip narrative and that RA parked somewhere else (not by the old CPS building). So when the state shows RA's car passing the Hoosier Harveststore's camera at 1:27 p.m. heading in the direction of the old CPS building they can claim that is really him leaving.

It looks like RA was perhaps skewing details from the get go (with DD)... where he parked. Perhaps he contributed to the mix up of his name/address too. Inserted himself into the search but concealed himself at the same time...

JMO

 

[Bergmann]

He holds them at gunpoint, forces them to to do his bidding, and ultimately pulls out a knife and begins stabbing. It would take seconds to switch between weapons, putting his gun back in his pocket. He’s not holding them at the same time, and there is absolutely no difficulty there.

Stabbing is incredibly common in sexually motivated crimes. So he stabs them so as to incapacitate them, and slits their throats as the coup de grace. I think it’s more probable than not that he used the same weapon, but it’s totally within the realm of possibility that he switched to a box cutter for this.

I say this because if he had time to place branches on top of their bodies, then he had the time to also slit their throats with another weapon.

Law enforcement apparently had interest in different types of weapons when they served that search warrant, which is why I think there’s a chance he did use two.

We can’t be all that far away from hearing from the ME. Maybe even today.

That's an intriguing theory, not at all how I imagined this happening but then again I hadn't made my mind up about whether the killer was solo or working with somebody else - I guess I was led astray by some of the conflicted early LEO theories when it looked like they didn't know for sure either.

MOO

 

[MassGuy]

That's an intriguing theory, not at all how I imagined this happening but then again I hadn't made my mind up about whether the killer was solo or working with somebody else - I guess I was led astray by some of the conflicted early LEO theories when it looked like they didn't know for sure either.

MOO

Of course this is merely a theory, and will almost certainly change once we get more details (namely the autopsy findings).

That will provide a lot of clarity in regards to the extent of their injuries, weapon(s), etc:

One weapon, two weapons, stabbing, slashing, blunt force injuries.

 

[flashy09]

Oh, my. Defense must be struggling. JMO

I think it's glaringly obvious the theory they were killed elsewhere is ridiculous and they are getting desperate.

 

[shonyakay]

Could it be the case the Baldwin and Rozzi were never involved in any murder scenes before so didn't know about this? Because it seems very strange they claimed the victim was hung by her feet to drain her blood. Very odd thing to allege IMO!

They were trying to sell the Odinist Cult angle. During the three day hearings the defense submitted an exhibit of an Odin hanging from a tree supposedly posted on BH's FB page.
What the rope was used for and the draining of the blood was completely fabricated by them imo.

 

[Bergmann]

blunt force injuries

Wow, really? Another weapon do you think?

 

[MassGuy]

Wow, really? Another weapon do you think?

Oh I don’t think so, I just threw it out there as a possibility (punching, rock, a fall, etc).

We don’t have anything at all to suggest that though.

 

[Kudzuu]

No, incorrect eyewitness testimony has lead to numerous wrongful convictions, hopefully nobody uses it anymore. And these witnesses just had quick glances at someone covered up with clothing

I recall one case where a person sitting right next to a suspect saw a very distinctive tattoo. Even that wasn't submitted at trial as any kind of proof, but it was testified to because it explained how investigators came to suspect someone. They still had to find evidence to prove that suspect committed the crime.

JMO

But BG was inappropriately dressed so that might stand out to anyone perceptive. Warm day and he's dressed for a snowstorm.

 

[Gigiky]

Who is BH?

 

[BUF]

Hopefully Mullin, who collected videos, has at least one showing RA’s vehicle

 

[sunshineray]

good morning fellow sleuthers

I think there’s one thing we can all agree on:

If Richard Allen is innocent we want a lot guilty verdict

If Richard Allen is guilty we want a guilty verdict.

How about it?

I'm sorry, I'm not understanding at all what you mean? Can you clarify please? TIA

 

[MassGuy]

https://twitter.com/x/status/1849099177294168409

 

[Deleted member 296739]

Do I have this right?
—the bridge goes from NW to SE and the “start” is the northwest end
— the video was taken at the “end” of the bridge so the southeast end
— CPS building and car sightings were at the starting point of the bridge
— platform 1 is at the start of the bridge
— the witnesses describe seeing bridge guy at the start of the bridge on the cps building end near the trails
—the witness who identified bridge guy from the photo also saw the girls before they got to the bridge
— RA admitted to being at the start of the bridge to look at fish which would put him at the end closest to the cps building
— would this have the girls passing him earlier as they begin to cross the bridge and then he follows and comes up behind them at the other end of the bridge?
??? Is that all correct???

 

[sunshineray]

https://twitter.com/x/status/1849099177294168409

Well...knew this coming at some point.

 

[MassGuy]

But BG was inappropriately dressed so that might stand out to anyone perceptive. Warm day and he's dressed for a snowstorm.

Funny enough, Allen also said he was dressed that way (inappropriately).

Jacket, hood, head covering.