Abby & Libby - The Delphi Murders - Richard Allen Arrested - #202

[Seattle1]

Sharing this prior post of mine for those who may have missed it.

February 13, 2017

At 12:43 p.m. three teen girls and a little girl take a picture on the Monon High Bridge.

At 1:26 p.m. Those same girls take a picture on a bench after having walked the entirety of the approximately one mile trail. They then head westbound toward Freedom Bridge.

At 1:27 p.m. A car that resembles Richard Allen's 2016 Black Ford Focus is seen traveling westbound on CR 300 N. Heading in the direction of the former CPS building.

In his first statement, Richard Allen, says he parked at the old farm bureau building. He says he headed toward Freedom Bridge. He said he was on the trails that day from 1:30 to 3:30 p.m.

In the vicinity of the Freedom Bridge the three teen girls see a man. They describe him as "kind of creepy", "not very tall", had his hands in his pockets, wearing blue or black jeans and a blue or black jacket. He had gray hair maybe a little brown.
He matched the man in the still photo from LG's cellphone video.

Richard Allen said at the Freedom Bridge he saw three females. One was taller and had brown or black hair. He then says he walked to the High Bridge.

Just before 1:46 p.m.
Betsy Blair observed four girls (The three teen girls and the little girl) walking on the bridge over State Road 25 as she was driving underneath.

At 1:46 p.m.
Betsy Blair's car is seen traveling eastbound.
She parks her car across from the Mears farm and starts walking toward the High Bridge.

At 1:49 p.m. Kelsi drops Libby and Abby off across from the Mears' farm.

When Betsy Blair makes it to the High Bridge she
sees a man wearing blue jeans and a blue jeans jacket standing on platform One approximately 50 feet away. He matched the man from the still photo from Libby's cellphone video.

Richard Allen said in his 2022 statement that at the High Bridge he walked out onto platform One. He described himself as wearing blue jeans and a blue or black jacket.

Betsy turns around to finish her walk and halfway between the high bridge and the Mears' farm parking area she sees two girls who she believes to be Libby and Abby. They were headed to the High Bridge.

At 2:05 p.m.
Libby takes a picture of the bridge in between the second and third platforms.

At 2:07 p.m.
Libby gets on the third platform and turns around to take a picture of Abby walking across High Bridge.

Around 2:10 p.m.
A man on his way to Delphi on State Road 25 observes a purple PT cruiser or a small suv type vehicle parked on the South side of the old CPS building. It was backed in as though to conceal it's license plate.

At 2:13 p.m.
While at the end of the High Bridge or very close to it Libby, who is turned toward the beginning of the bridge, begins recording video of a man on her cell phone. The man is coming from the direction of the beginning of the bridge. He is between the fifth and six platforms at the end of the bridge walking behind Abby.

At 2:14 p.m.
Betsy Blair's car is seen leaving westbound from the trails. As she passes by the old CPS building she sees a car parked in an odd manner. It is in the same general spot and backed in like the man observed around 2:10 p.m.

Around 2:28 p.m.
A man sees a small dark colored car parked at the old CPS building. He describes it as possibly a smart car.

At 2:32 p.m.
Libby's phone ceases movement, according to the Apple Health Data on her cellphone.

At 3:57 p.m.
Sarah Carbaugh is driving eastbound down CR 300 N when she sees a man walking westbound away from the Monon High bridge. He matches the man in the still photo from LG's cellphone video. He appears muddy, bloody, and like he's been in a fight.

There were other individuals on the trails or CR 300 N from 2:30 p.m. to 4:11 p.m. and none of these people saw a man resembling Richard Allen on the trails.

Bookmarked-- thank you!

 

[m00c0w]

https://twitter.com/x/status/1849099177294168409

It will be interesting to see how they spin this in front of a jury if it’s allowed in.

“Okay, remember how we said they were taken away and killed and brought back? That was just because our other theory was excluded. You see, we actually believe they were killed in that location as part of a ritual sacrifice in which blood was drained (please ignore the blood everywhere), at least one girl was tied up or hung upside down using yellow rope (please ignore investigator testimony from earlier this week about the rope), and estimates of the timeframe in which the girls were killed are way off because they didn’t take an armpit temperature.”

I don’t see that going very favorably…

All my opinion.

 

[shonyakay]

Who is BH?

Someone who we aren't supposed to really talk about here because the Judge has ruled that there is no evidence of his connection to this crime.

 

[BUF]

https://twitter.com/x/status/1849099177294168409

From that tweet….
The defense attorneys believe due to CSI Brian Olehay testifying the sticks on Abby and Libby were used to conceal their bodies – now they should be allowed to show their side.

But wasn’t this in response to something the witness was asked during the defense cross…did they bait him?

 

[WildHuncher]

Do I have this right?
—the bridge goes from NW to SE and the “start” is the northwest end
— the video was taken at the “end” of the bridge so the southeast end
— CPS building and car sightings were at the starting point of the bridge
— platform 1 is at the start of the bridge
— the witnesses describe seeing bridge guy at the start of the bridge on the cps building end near the trails
—the witness who identified bridge guy from the photo also saw the girls before they got to the bridge
— RA admitted to being at the start of the bridge to look at fish which would put him at the end closest to the cps building
— would this have the girls passing him earlier as they begin to cross the bridge and then he follows and comes up behind them at the other end of the bridge?
??? Is that all correct???

If you’re wrong, so am I.

You could hardly box him in any tighter without a video of him actually doing the murders.

 

[MassGuy]

From that tweet….
The defense attorneys believe due to CSI Brian Olehay testifying the sticks on Abby and Libby were used to conceal their bodies – now they should be allowed to show their side.

But wasn’t this in response to something the witness was asked during the defense cross…did they bait him?

That’s how I remembered it. They asked if it was unusual or something and he said “no.”

The sketches I get because the witness mentioned it herself, but this did not open the door.

 

[m00c0w]

From that tweet….
The defense attorneys believe due to CSI Brian Olehay testifying the sticks on Abby and Libby were used to conceal their bodies – now they should be allowed to show their side.

But wasn’t this in response to something the witness was asked during the defense cross…did they bait him?

If that’s true, prosecution will just argue the defense opened the door knowing the limitations in place.

JMO

 

[steeltowngirl]

It will be interesting to see how they spin this in front of a jury if it’s allowed in.

“Okay, remember how we said they were taken away and killed and brought back? That was just because our other theory was excluded. You see, we actually believe they were killed in that location as part of a ritual sacrifice in which blood was drained (please ignore the blood everywhere), at least one girl was tied up or hung upside down using yellow rope (please ignore investigator testimony from earlier this week about the rope), and estimates of the timeframe in which the girls were killed are way off because they didn’t take an armpit temperature.”

I don’t see that going very favorably…

All my opinion.

It’s nonsensical and defies logic.
They will lose the jury with this stuff.
Defense can’t seem to get out of their own way.

jmo

 

[Melted]

I'm sorry, I'm not understanding at all what you mean? Can you clarify please? TIA

* a not guilty verdict.

We can all agree we want the correct justice for Libby and Abby

 

[sunshineray]

* a not guilty verdict.

We can all agree we want the correct justice for Libby and Abby

Ohhhh so it was a typo...gotcha!

 

[Deleted member 296739]

If you’re wrong, so am I.

You could hardly box him in any tighter without a video of him actually doing the murders.

Ok- since he was at the end closest to his car, and he says he didn’t see the two girls- is there time enough for RA to leave the bridge, girls start to cross the bridge and then BG comes up behind them?

I’m not suggesting that’s what happened- I’m just trying to think through the timeline and logistics and if there’s a remote logical possibility of RA not being BG given what we know now as presented in court-

Just thinking out loud -it’s a very tight timeline
moo

 

[Melted]

Someone who we aren't supposed to really talk about here because the Judge has ruled that there is no evidence of his connection to this crime.

I feel bad for the moderators if the judge allows the defense to present their Soddi defense, this thread will become a mad house.

 

[dub]

The day started with lengthy presentation of evidence introduced by the state. Crime scene investigator Brian Olehy took the stand.


Olehy detailed evidence that was found at the scene:Some of the evidence included:
•a Converse shoe
•a shoe found on the body of Abby
•a .40 caliber Smith & Wesson cartridge
•a collection of strands of fibrous materials
•swabs of blood

https://twitter.com/x/status/1848907070852182116

Most of Brad Rozzi’s cross examination centered around what they call “lack” of photos of the bullet.


Rozzi presented the swabs to Olehy and asked if any of the information on them was a link to Mr. Allen. Olehy said, "No."


Until today we had only seen a few seconds of the video Libby took on the Monon high bridge.Today the jury saw 45 seconds.

Indiana State Police Lt. Brian Bunner, a digital forensic expert, testified about his role in examining information captured from the phone.He was responsible for extracting data off of Libby’s phone.


Bunner discovered the video Libby took at 2:13 p.m. on February 13, 2017, the day Abby and Libby were last seen alive.


The video shows Libby filming herself and Abby on the bridge. At one point, the camera points up and you can see there is no one behind Abby.However, in a later shot, it shows a man walking behind her. That man has been called "Bridge Guy.”


You can hear a voice, presumably Libby’s say, "There's no path. The trail ends here so we have to go down here?"Following that, you hear a man's voice. Through audio enhancement done by Indiana State Police, it is apparent the man says "guys down the hill.”


We heard from a number of witnesses who testified to seeing the man from the bridge on the trail that day.Railly Voorhies and Breann Wilber testified to being on the bridge and trail that day and seeing a man they said was “bridge guy.”


Betsy Blair testified to walking the trail the 14th too. She says she is sure the man described as“bridge guy” is who she saw on the bridge. She says she then saw Abby and Libby while walking on the trail.


Most of the defense's line of questioning attempted to lay the foundation that Richard Allen is not “bridge guy.”They questioned Blair, Voorhies, & Wilber who testified to seeing “bridge guy” that day but described him in a way that appears to be very different from Allen.


Voorhies description:
•overdressed for the weather
•Caucasian
•a larger man with a big build
•dark clothes
•face covered over his nose and mouth
•wearing a hat
•dirty blonde hair
•brown eyes
•wrinkly kind of face
•square jaw

https://twitter.com/x/status/1849040872182055046

Wilber description:
•20s-30s
•taller man
•something covering his mouth
•blue or black jaket
•couldn't see his har
•muscular
•wearing something on his head

https://twitter.com/x/status/1849041035826983173

Blair description:
•Causasian
•20s-30s
•brown poofy hair
•younger, boyish look
•youthful
•average height
•no facial hair
• no hat
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Final witness Day 4- Steve Mullin called back to the stand. He testified to the vehicles seen passing the Hoosier Harvestore on surveillance heading toward the trails.

Perfect example in RV description of the difficulties with eyewitness recall:

How on earth could she have noticed a “square jaw” if his face was covered over nose and mouth?

FWIW my best guess after going through a similar exercise last night is she conflated certain elements of the description with some other guy she interacted with in the days surrounding the incident, but whatever the case those things are directly contradictory and I see no way they could be applied to the same person at the same time.

 

[tlcya]

It’s nonsensical and defies logic.
They will lose the jury with this stuff.
Defense can’t seem to get out of their own way.

jmo

as this newest motion is argued the jury will be left cooling their heels with no clue as to why or what prompted the delay. I almost half wish JG would allow this ridiculous argument so the jury will see just how ridiculous these machinations are. But I fear if she did allow it it would only result in something actually capable of winning RA his appeal if found guilty - ineffective assistance of counsel.

thusly I have opined.

 

[Justice101]

Someone who we aren't supposed to really talk about here because the Judge has ruled that there is no evidence of his connection to this crime.

Let them introduce it. And just wait until the prosecution has a chance to do a rebuttal. The cross-exam will be absolutely brutal and make the defense look like fools. JMO

 

[ClearAhead]

From that tweet….
The defense attorneys believe due to CSI Brian Olehay testifying the sticks on Abby and Libby were used to conceal their bodies – now they should be allowed to show their side.

But wasn’t this in response to something the witness was asked during the defense cross…did they bait him?

Is my memory wrong? I thought I heard the basis for this motion was going to be connected with something Abby’s mother said? Regardless I’m very glad she’s not being linked to their foolish desperation.
JMO

 

[Melted]

Let them introduce it. And just wait until the prosecution has a chance to do a rebuttal. The rebuttal will be brutal and make the defense look like fools. JMO

The theory would play perfect after what we have seen from the prosecution so far, 4 eyewitness accounts of people who were clear as day not describing Richard Allen.
JMO

 

[shonyakay]

Do I have this right?
—the bridge goes from NW to SE and the “start” is the northwest end
— the video was taken at the “end” of the bridge so the southeast end
— CPS building and car sightings were at the starting point of the bridge
— platform 1 is at the start of the bridge
— the witnesses describe seeing bridge guy at the start of the bridge on the cps building end near the trails
—the witness who identified bridge guy from the photo also saw the girls before they got to the bridge
— RA admitted to being at the start of the bridge to look at fish which would put him at the end closest to the cps building
— would this have the girls passing him earlier as they begin to cross the bridge and then he follows and comes up behind them at the other end of the bridge?
??? Is that all correct???

Bingo. I just want to add that the CPS building is closer to the start of the trail from the Freedom Bridge not the Monon High Bridge.

 

[Megnut]

Ok- since he was at the end closest to his car, and he says he didn’t see the two girls- is there time enough for RA to leave the bridge, girls start to cross the bridge and then BG comes up behind them?

I’m not suggesting that’s what happened- I’m just trying to think through the timeline and logistics and if there’s a remote logical possibility of RA not being BG given what we know now as presented in court-

Just thinking out loud -it’s a very tight timeline
moo

If RA left at 2:15, presumably he would have followed BB (until branching off to his unique parking spot). But then he too would have encountered Abby and Libby on his way out.

That's a problem.

He says he didn't see them. Of course we know why he might want to have lied about that, but if he was legitimately leaving by 2:15, he would have seen them. What reason would he have in that case to lie?

IMO RA wasn't leaving at 2:15. Curiously enough 2:15 is almost exactly when BG, with a gun, and Abby and Libby disappeared together from the end of the bridge.

There's no way to get RA off the bridge without having encountered Abby and Libby. And there's only one reason to lie about that.

JMO

 

[WildHuncher]

Ok- since he was at the end closest to his car, and he says he didn’t see the two girls- is there time enough for RA to leave the bridge, girls start to cross the bridge and then BG comes up behind them?

I’m not suggesting that’s what happened- I’m just trying to think through the timeline and logistics and if there’s a remote logical possibility of RA not being BG given what we know now as presented in court-

Just thinking out loud -moo

There might be time enough, but that kind of scenario has issues. The man the teen girls saw must have been RA, given that he also saw them. Otherwise, we’re looking for another group of girls (whom RA saw) who have never come forward or been reported. (And why not?)

So they saw RA. But they say the man they saw is also BG. Ditto in the case of Betsy Blair. She says that man was BG.

So she has to go back up the trail without encountering a clone of RA coming south past her. Then RA has to leave the platform without encountering a clone of himself. He never reported such an encounter.

Nor, as @Megnut points out, did he see Abby and Libby. But Betsy Blair did, and he must have followed her to be clear of the area before the crime. How did he not see them?

The clone of RA has to emerge from the woods along the trail after RA passes. RA has to time and perform his bench-sitting in such a way as to miss seeing Abby and Libby.

You can’t prove it didn’t happen.

But it didn’t.