Abby & Libby - The Delphi Murders - Richard Allen Arrested - #203

[photographer4]

Sounds like he usually backs his car in….to hide a license plate….or to make a quick getaway if needed?

Or because it is less risk of accidentally backing over any pedestrians or hitting a car when you exit? Moooo.

 

[MrsWatson]

IndyStar is a daily newspaper in Indianapolis that started publishing in 1903.

WIBC is a news/talk radio station in Indianapolis that has been on air since 1960.

hth

Having been a past resident of Indianapolis, I can verify that The Star is the largest newspaper in Indiana, very reputable, read all over the state. WIBC is well respected news station that is typically the first place I'd go if something big was going on in Indy or the state.

 

[Yemelyan]

From Rozzi's cross of Liggett:

At 2:33 p.m. defense attorney Brad Rozzi began his cross-examination of Liggett.

Rozzi asks about Liggett being involved in a contentious election in 2022, to which McLeland objected. Liggett responded that it “had nothing to do with me, it was about the murder of two little girls.”

Liggett is asked “do you acknowledge that there have been leaks in this investigation?” Liggett responds that there have been leaks but he wasn’t referring to just after the investigation started and said “some information got out, yes.”

Liggett said he did not check to make sure there were no cameras on the south side of the Hoosier Harveststore, he only retrieved video from cameras pointing at 300N.

Rozzi asked Liggett “you’re aware of the discrepancies in Sarah Carbaguh’s take?” “Is it possible you’re wrong?” “Is it possible that Sarah Carbaugh didn’t see anyone that day?”

Liggett tells the jury he agrees that the investigation was chaotic in the beginning and that the FBI worked with them and he knew he could call them.

Liggett tells the jury that “someone cleared that lead and it shouldn’t have been,” referring to the Kathy Shank lead. He tells the jury that it could be challenging to recall what happened in 2017.

Liggett tells the jury he believes Allen acted alone now, “before I was open to anything.”

Source: Delphi Murders trial: Day 6 live blog

 

[wastelands_]

So he had a skull cap on in the bridge video.

Skull cap = beanie?
I’ve never heard that term before

 

[Sunny Day]

I just wonder how Abby's bottoms and Libby's tops were found in the creek but Libby's pants were on Abby and wearing her own top. I can't think of what scenario happened there. If I'm understanding where everything was found.

I'm just speculating here, but obviously they were forced to disrobe. In the picture of Abby on the bridge the jeans appear to be "skinny jeans". The jeans were found in the creek and, I believe I read they were inside out. I wear skinny jeans and they are not easy to get on and off because of the slim ankle. It seems to me like for some reason RA wanted to re-dress Abby, but just imagine how difficult that would be with skinny jeans, let alone when they are WET. Libby's jeans were most likely too big for Abby and therefore easier to put on. If she was also wearing her own gray hoodie it would also be much easier to put on and zip up.
Just my opinion.

 

[MassGuy]

A bit more:

Rozzi asked if the sound from the bridge guy video every came from Allen. Liggett says there’s no digital evidence that links Allen, but Allen was on his phone at that time on the bridge.

Liggett says “I don’t know the motive of why he (Allen) came forward.” Liggett says Allen was “hiding in plain sight.”

Rozzi questions Liggett about the Carroll County Jail and if Liggett has had a person charged with a violent crime there.

At 3:25 p.m., McLeland begins re-direct and asks Liggett questions about the ammunition in Allen’s home.

Delphi Murders trial: Day 6 live blog

Delphi Murders trial continues with testimony from Dr. Roland Kohr and Sarah Carbaugh. Allen accused of murdering Abby Williams and Libby German.

www.wishtv.com

 

[Inthedetails]

I'm just speculating here, but obviously they were forced to disrobe. In the picture of Abby on the bridge the jeans appear to be "skinny jeans". The jeans were found in the creek and, I believe I read they were inside out. I wear skinny jeans and they are not easy to get on and off because of the slim ankle. It seems to me like for some reason RA wanted to re-dress Abby, but just imagine how difficult that would be with skinny jeans, let alone when they are WET. Libby's jeans were most likely too big for Abby and therefore easier to put on. If she was also wearing her own gray hoodie it would also be much easier to put on and zip up.
Just my opinion.

It could be as simple as that! Good point.

jmo

 

[Cedars]

Especially if he had been googling the case as they said previously...

I'm curious, the tip DD filed, would he be the one to follow up or does he file the tip and then other investigators follow up? That might explain why he never thought of Richard Allen again. He did his job, never heard about it again so probably thought he was cleared.

At a guess, I would say not him, but an actual LE officer (DD seems to have not been official LE and he made no indication it was his job to assess the tips, just record them). I'm sure it's a question that's been investigated. JMO, but I expect the person's initials would be associated with the notation "cleared", but I don't think they're going to reveal that name.

It could be simply that the officer who reviewed it was exhausted and somehow missed reading the tip because they were interrupted, etc.

But I'm sure it's going to be noted for future investigations. There needs to be a really good process in place, for handling the huge amount of information now that there's social media.

I would think, to begin, anyone who had actually been on the trails that day, should have been immediately reported verbally for a more senior officer to interview.

JMO

 

[m00c0w]

His reply that if the image was from the girls phone it isn't me seems strange to me. Why didn't he point out how the image is someone else and not him?

It's like he's saying the image is him as long as it was taken at a different time by someone else. JMO.

I wonder if he was not sure where the image actually came from. If police lied to the media to possibly trap a suspect, and the photo was actually from something like a trail cam and they could actually show it was RA, he’d be in pretty hot water if he outright denied it being him. Couching the answer on the origin of the photo probably seemed like the least risky answer given the uncertain circumstances.

JMO

 

[Spartygirl]

During cross-examination, Allen’s attorneys asked Liggett point-blank if any items sent to the lab, such as the blue Carhartt jacket taken from Allen’s home, were found to have DNA evidence linking Allen to the crime scene.

Liggett said, “no.”

The defense team also asked if any digital data connected Allen to the crime scene.

Liggett again said, “no.”

During further questioning, it was also revealed that some of the girls’ clothing was missing from the crime scene. This clothing still is missing to this day.

From: https://fox59.com/delphi-trial/delp...17-put-allen-in-investigators-sights-in-2022/

Clothing- Fire pit search ??
OR a dumpster UGH

 

[Deleted member 229974]

Wow.

So no trophies at RA home apparently.

I admit that I have been expecting big evidence that we've never heard about. Maybe all the P has is already what we know...and so far that wouldn't be enough for me to convict. The confessions would have to be rock solid. What else is there, if the unspent round can be debunked?

Nothing, nada, zilch. IMO

 

[MiniMoo]

The links? They seem to be from proper media outlets imo.

So, all this time Richard Allen never approached anyone before those images were released and Dullin stated that it wasn't uncommon to find bullets in that area.

Speculation should totally be shelved once it is proven to be wrong.

Not directed at you just so you know.

Thank you for this new information!

JMO MOO JMT

 

[Yemelyan]

More details about Dulin's testimony today:

Capt. Dan Dulin with the Indiana Department of Natural Resources (DNR) helped investigators follow up on leads in 2017. Sometimes he’d do an initial contact, write a summary narrative, then hand it off to a detective. Other time he would be instructed to follow a lead as far as he could.

On Feb. 18 2017— four days after the girls were found— Dulin was given the Richard Allen lead sheet. Dulin testified that he prefers to meet with people at their home or at a law enforcement office. He said, however, that Allen wanted to meet in a grocery store parking lot.

While Dulin was explaining this, Allen emphatically wrote a note to defense attorney Andrew Baldwin. Baldwin showed his partner Bradley Rozzi.

Dulin testified that Allen met him in the parking lot and they spoke for around ten minutes. He did not record the interview, but took notes on the back of the lead sheet.

He confirmed that his name was Richard Allen, not Richard Allen Whiteman. Dulin testified that Allen told him he was on the trails between 1:30 p.m. and 3:30 p.m. the day the girls went missing from the Monon High Bridge Trail. He parked at what is the old DCS building to the east of the Hoosier Heartland Highway. Dulin said he incorrectly wrote the “Farm Bureau” building in his report. But, based on the conversation with Allen about which building it was, he’s confident it’s the old DCS building.

Dulin testified that Allen told him that he accessed the trails using the trailhead using the Freedom Bridge and walked toward the High Bridge. He said Allen continued by saying he saw three girls near the Freedom Bridge, but he didn’t see anyone else. Dulin also testified that Allen said he was looking down at his phone monitoring the stock ticker.

Dulin said he typed up his notes, adding Allen’s drivers license and DMV photo and submitted the packet to detectives. He was not assigned to do a further follow up.

Rozzi also said Dulin can’t know for sure who did the data entry or who paid for the license. Dulin testified that he thinks it was Allen based on the credit card used, the email address, and the IP address from which the transaction occurred. Dulin could not recall what username was used to get the license.

Source: https://www.wane.com/top-stories/de...-desk-put-richard-allen-on-the-radar-in-2022/

 

[Warwick7]

Mullin said Allen told police he saw three girls on the bridge and was “looking at his stock ticker.” Allen then said one of the girls “appeared to be older” and that she was “babysitting.”

Mullin told the jury he showed Allen a photo of “Bridge Guy” and that Allen responded, “If the photo was taken with the girl’s camera, it couldn’t be him.”

The former police chief said Allen agreed to let him look at the phone, but then got angry and walked out of the interview. After that, Allen was taken back to his house.

Court took a lunch break at 12:06 p.m.

Source: Delphi Murders trial: Day 6 live blog

I know I am pages and pages behind...

But was this the first time he saw a picture of BG? He walked out cause he knew he was busted?

 

[Vern]

I really wish this was televised or some sort of live transcript

Because if I had potentially killed two people I wouldn’t want to be interviewed at my house, I might have evidence lying around, I wouldn’t want to go to the station because they would probably crank up the heat and ask if they could see my hands and arms real quick. But in a grocery store parking lot in the middle of February, I’m wearing a hoodie and my winter jacket to cover up any marks, I wonder if he asked to see RA’s hands and arms there

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Had to do it in the parking lot,

Couldn't do it at his house because he would have had to give him an actual proper address to come to ...

 

[MassGuy]

I know I am pages and pages behind...

But was this the first time he saw a picture of BG? He walked out cause he knew he was busted?

The jury will see this interview, and it will certainly tell a story. I hate that we can’t see it!

 

[Deleted member 39678]

I wonder if he was not sure where the image actually came from. If police lied to the media to possibly trap a suspect, and the photo was actually from something like a trail cam and they could actually show it was RA, he’d be in pretty hot water if he outright denied it being him. Couching the answer on the origin of the photo probably seemed like the least risky answer given the uncertain circumstances.

JMO

I think he admitted it was him in the image. He didn't deny it. I think his own words have gotten him in a diffuclt situation. JMO.

 

[m00c0w]

So, all this time Richard Allen never approached anyone before those images were released and Dullin stated that it wasn't uncommon to find bullets in that area.

Speculation should totally be shelved once it is proven to be wrong.

Not directed at you just so you know.

Thank you for this new information!

JMO MOO JMT

BBM

I totally agree!

 

[Yemelyan]

Fox 59 reporters are saying court ended for the day around 5pm.

 

[Deleted member 296739]

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Had to do it in the parking lot,

Couldn't do it at his house because he would have had to give him an actual proper address to come to ...

RA gave DD his drivers license per testimony today and so it sounds like they knew where he lived from the beginning-

https://www.wane.com/top-stories/delphi-tip-marked-cleared-found-while-cleaning-out-desk-put-richard-allen-on-the-radar-in-2022/