Abby & Libby - The Delphi Murders - Richard Allen Arrested - #209

[Inthedetails]

When you threaten self harm you enter protocols to prevent it. Suicide smocks for instance. Also you have to be completely contained during transfers - the risk is greatest then.
They have to guard against things like him launching himself down stairs and (maybe even taking the CO with him.)

And when Epstein died in prison, there was an outcry the cameras didn't work. But now we have a suicidal defendant and people are made there ARE cameras. I would think the cameras could prevent a death?

I'm concerned about some incarceration issues in this case, but if someone is suicidal, don't they need watching?

jmo

 

[snooptroop88]

I anticipate we'll watch an attempt by Defense to push him under a very large bus as a SOD.

It's possible, and that's not going to go anywhere good for the D-- at all. If there were any doubt the D could wean themselves from their dependency on pin-the-tail-on-another-target habit, it's going to go "poof" right before our very eyes. It's not Some Other Dude Did It, it truly is Any Other Dude Did it. Anyone but their client because their client is-- their client.

Prediction: Jurors will be beyond unimpressed. The D crystallizes the strength of the P's case at every bad turn.

 

[photographer4]

His treatment was not heinous.
He made it that.
Did he come forward as the unknown person who parked at Freedom Bridge that day?
Of course not.

Just jumping off of your post here to ask: what control did RA have over his treatment?

 

[Bbgiraffe]

I believe the D DOES believe in his innocence. Even if RA were guilty, their job is STILL to defend him - and frankly, I think they're doing a fantastic job! moo

Really? It seems to me like they've called mostly irrelevant witnesses so far. People who were at the bridge after the abduction who actually strengthen the Prosecution case since they corroborate the fact that no one saw BG or Abby and Libby after 2:15p.

 

[ClearAhead]

In most cases, NO.
Diagrams can explain injuries as well as actual photos. I sure would not need to see a an actual pic of poor Libby's body with her head almost amputated; a diagram would be sufficient. Those pics will be burned forever in the minds of the people who saw them; it's a horrible thing to remember.
MOO

I could tend to agree but then the argument arises ‘do the diagrams accurately represent the degree of violence pertaining to the crime scene’?

IMO in jury selection the situation could be easily resolved if the jurors were vetted by the question “would evidence involving a violent, bloody crime involving children be unduly upsetting or disturbing for you?” and excuse them if the answer is yes. Maybe that happened here, we don’t know. JMO

 

[minor4th]

If BW was interviewed as a POI, they’d surely take the next step to seek the records of the time the ABM required servicing. That’d be the evidence required for impeachment, not simply a FBI report.

So why are they afraid to call BW to the stand? MOO

I heard the defense is calling him on Monday. I think it’s important info if he told the FBI he didn’t drive straight home. The jury will have to decide how much weight to give it.

 

[m00c0w]

Simply declining the motion for remote testimony, without a written reasoning, imo, gives the impression (to me) that she doesn't care about the witness in question - his current work, the travel he must endure to appear etc. Its unreasonable that she has denied it imo. It gives the appearance of just being difficult towards to the D - moo. Perhaps a written decision may have helped me to better understand why she opted to decline it.

We don’t know that there won’t be a written decision. The defense was wanting quick rulings on several issues so they knew how to plan. She obliged.

JMO

 

[IHAVENOCLUE]

Was Richard Allen thinking that he could claim that he was kidnapped by Libby and Abby, and that he killed them in self-defence?

"On Oct. 2, 2022, less than two weeks before he was initially questioned in the case, Allen searched for the “65+ best kidnapping and hostage movies ever made.” Other searches from the same day included “man held hostage by teen” and “movie about a man being held against his will.”

https://www.newsnationnow.com/crime/delphi-richard-allen-google-search/?utm_campaign=socialflow&utm_source=t.co&utm_medium=referral

Ohhh maaannn!

You actually make a very good point here!

Could Defense try to claim self-defense!?!

<<THUD!!!>

 

[m00c0w]

I heard the defense is calling him on Monday. I think it’s important info if he told the FBI he didn’t drive straight home. The jury will have to decide how much weight to give it.

Can you think of reasonable reasons why he wouldn’t have just been impeached as an opposing witness instead of whatever this is that’s going on now, if it were that cut and dry?

 

[photographer4]

As an accused where half the inmates want to kill him any chance they get.

Not my problem. That is a problem for the Corrections Staff. Imo, they failed hardcore, because "safekeeping" should mean exactly that. Safe. And ya know what? Nothing about that keeping was "safe" for RA imo. Not mentally, not physically, not emotionally. Moo.

 

[minor4th]

Didn’t someone testify that BW’s phone records lined up with him going straight home that day?

I’m pretty sure one of the witnesses on Friday said they never did an extraction of BW phone or received any phone records.

 

[ClearAhead]

I believe the D DOES believe in his innocence. Even if RA were guilty, their job is STILL to defend him - and frankly, I think they're doing a fantastic job! moo

The risk of insinuating preposterous scenarios without any proof is it may insult the intelligence of the jury. It doesn’t help the D’s cause at all if they are perceived as total idiots. JMO

 

[minor4th]

I don’t recall but that would certainly back up his story. The D doesn’t believe his timeline but can’t be bothered to try disprove it. ABM logs are available for every minute of the day, including servicing/down times etc. I have a hard time believing BW would knowingly lie knowing records exist. Maybe he later changed his timeline after double-checking his activities from that day? With proof, nothing nefarious about that.

I doubt those records would still be available 7 years later.

 

[Trebor5591]

Agree.

There are several things in this case that certainly could have been handled differently….especially that initial interview with RA being overlooked/ misfiled. Having the FBI leave was an odd and not good decision imo.

I only hope the jury can get past that stuff as I really feel this guy is guilty.

Did Carter say WHY he asked the FBI to leave the case?

 

[MassGuy]

Was Richard Allen thinking that he could claim that he was kidnapped by Libby and Abby, and that he killed them in self-defence?

"On Oct. 2, 2022, less than two weeks before he was initially questioned in the case, Allen searched for the “65+ best kidnapping and hostage movies ever made.” Other searches from the same day included “man held hostage by teen” and “movie about a man being held against his will.”

https://www.newsnationnow.com/crime/delphi-richard-allen-google-search/?utm_campaign=socialflow&utm_source=t.co&utm_medium=referral

I think he was searching for a specific movie. When I read those searches my mind immediately went to "Hard Candy."

Hard Candy is a 2005 American psychological thriller film focusing on a 14-year-old female vigilante's trapping and torture of a man whom she suspects of being a sexual predator.

Hard Candy (film) - Wikipedia

en.wikipedia.org

 

[photographer4]

If the defense rested on Monday without calling any more witnesses, do you believe RA would be acquitted?

If I were on the jury, I'd vote NOT GUILTY today - nevermind Monday.

 

[Trebor5591]

Not sure where I saw she wouldn’t let in but 3 videos but I see at least the jury did in fact watch several and from reports some jurors had some unpleasant facial expressions while viewing. I can only hope it shows exactly how RA could have been driven crazy enough to make those “confessions”. IMO that’s the only reason he did, after all there was nothing in them that only the killer would know.

Here are the three things Richard Allen confessed that only the murderer would know:

1) He was spooked by the white van while he tried to SA the girls
2) The girls had their throats cut
3) Their bodies were covered with sticks

GUILTY!

 

[photographer4]

We don’t know that there won’t be a written decision. The defense was wanting quick rulings on several issues so they knew how to plan. She obliged.

JMO

I guess I don't expect one given the lack of written decisions so often in the history of this case. MOoo.

 

[minor4th]

Can you think of reasonable reasons why he wouldn’t have just been impeached as an opposing witness instead of whatever this is that’s going on now, if it were that cut and dry?

How would they impeach him without testimony from the agent who interviewed him? BW claims he didn’t tell the FBI that he made a stop before going home.

 

[photographer4]

The risk of insinuating preposterous scenarios without any proof is it may insult the intelligence of the jury. It doesn’t help the D’s cause at all if they are perceived as total idiots. JMO

I won't guess at what the jury thinks of the intelligence of the D. I think they're doing a really good job! MOo.