Abby & Libby - The Delphi Murders - Richard Allen Arrested - #210

[Cyber sleuth]

He does want to talk, I have little doubt of that. If he is convicted though, I think he'll be encouraged by his family and attorneys to keep his mouth shut, as the opportunity would still potentially exist to win that appeal. He's the kind of guy who will eventually write long, rambling confession notes from prison though. I can't imagine his mental health will ever improve, as it appears he was a mess on the outside and being on the inside won't help, even if the situation is improved from his pretrial confinement conditions.

It appears that he's been acting up while he's in jail, and I don't see that going away.

I agree. I keep expecting him to stand up during trial and just start confessing. It’s brewing right under the surface. Imo
It will be interesting to see what happens after verdict.

 

[photographer4]

Has RA shown any emotion or change in demeanor during the trial? I'm mostly curious if he could see the crime scene footage \ pics & autopsy photos and descriptions. If so, lowering of eyes? Flinching? I've followed the trial here, but had to skip pages here & there to keep up & maybe I've missed it. I also checked thru outside popular search engine for results. Does he take notes, doodle? Flat affect? Seem nervous? Anyone know?
tia

IMO no matter what RA does during the trial he is under a massive microscope. Some people will interpret his actions or lack thereof or emotional affect or lack thereof as signs of guilt no matter what. Moo.

 

[Deleted member 229974]

Exactly !!

"THEY" were, IMO, his attorneys, who did not want him to plead Guilty.

They have too much invested in their Franks 1,2,3,4,5, etc and their social media minions, plus the leaked crime photos, which one of their people committed suicide.

So, NO, his D team did not want to hear that and you are correct in saying that, quote --"Whoever “they” are, that took it upon themselves to decide if a jailed suspect wasn’t being serious about committing a crime"
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JMO

Oh, so what you’re insinuating is that they (the D team) had an ulterior motive from the beginning…but for what purpose again, “Franks 1,2,3,4,5 etc…”???

 

[MiniMoo]

Oh, so what you’re insinuating is that they (the D team) had an ulterior motive from the beginning…but for what purpose again, “Franks 1,2,3,4,5 etc…”???

I believe the Defense should be able to defend their client - just not with this Odinist argument.

But it seems like it is hard for them and hope some door will open so they can do their jobs.

JMO MOO JMT

 

[katydid23]

I was only going by what many other posters here have said about how frightened the girls were when they saw BG walking in their direction.
LE praised Libby for having the wherewithal to record a video of BG.
Abby is recording saying something about “is he behind me?” and “don’t leave me up here”, which I interpreted to mean that she was in fear of the BG. I think most 13 year olds today are pretty tech savvy and well aware of how 911 works in an emergency. So I just assumed that perhaps she may have dialed it. IMO

I think they were scared---but they were up on a bridge with no sidebars. He was walking up fast. Trying to stop on the bridge and talk to a 911 dispatcher and ever hope anyone could get to them quickly was pretty hopeless. By the time they saw the gun it was too late anyway.

 

[snooptroop88]

Is it at all possible that RA is a conflicted individual, wherever he is? The answer to What Kind of Person Would Do That? Decades of adulting where he's expected to conform which he does... until he doesn't.

And now in custody, without his person and without alcohol, it's just raw RA and his internal conflict oozing out. Is it possible one part of RA neeeeeeeds Wala's approval and part of that is being good Ricky, confessing with clarity?Unburdening himself. Because she listens. She doesn't hang up on him. But he's conflicted, frustrated by family members that don't listen to him, attorneys who won't listen, and that brings out bad Ricky. Anger amplified. The word maniac comes to mind. Reactive, explosive, self-destructive... as he's always been. Dangerous when lit.

JMO

Exactly.

Source: Holeman told Allen during the interview he believed Allen was a good man. He says Allen responded, "What kind of good person would kill two girls?"

Delphi Murders Trial: Day 8 | Lead investigator on interrogation; Defense says Allen was never read his rights

Richard Allen denied any involvement during police interrogation says lead investigator in trial's eighth day.

www.wrtv.com

All jmo: RA already knows it's common knowledge that no good person would do this. So RA, if we believe he is guilty (I do) therefore knows he is a bad person; at the very least, he knows others view him as a bad person. But he conforms in large part to the society that knows he is a bad person. Now that the society has ripped off his mask (provided he is indeed guilty) and is preparing to treat him accordingly, he is conforming once again. Why? He's cornered. And were he not cornered, MOO, he'd be just as dangerous as he ever was, but in his cell, there's nobody he can torture but himself.

And it looks like he's been doing a good job. Unfortunately, all his self-destruction does nothing to bring back the two little girls he murdered, two young girls out for a walk. There's arguably even a lack of empathy in his attempts at "apology." He didn't damage someone's fender. If guilty, he has murdered two children and literally ruined countless lives. If he genuinely wanted to "apologize," there'd be no trial going on right now. If he is guilty (jmo, I'm now convinced he is), "reprehensible" is a nice word for what RA is at this point.

 

[Tealgrove]

He does want to talk, I have little doubt of that. If he is convicted though, I think he'll be encouraged by his family and attorneys to keep his mouth shut, as the opportunity would still potentially exist to win that appeal. He's the kind of guy who will eventually write long, rambling confession notes from prison though. I can't imagine his mental health will ever improve, as it appears he was a mess on the outside and being on the inside won't help, even if the situation is improved from his pretrial confinement conditions.

It appears that he's been acting up while he's in jail, and I don't see that going away.

RA likes to control his environment.

He’ll never be master of his domain ever again once he’s been convicted. He’ll be acting out forever because he won’t be able to get his way and then the “poop” will hit the fan, the wall, and other places, (I’m sure you all know what I mean).

The only thing he may be able to control is whether he lives or dies and even then he may be thwarted and control lost again.

MOO

 

[katydid23]

I really don’t understand your point. All of the locking and unlocking, you cannot take a video if your phone is locked.

The recording stopped after 43 seconds. Then the phone would automatically self lock. And it was probably in her pocket when she tried to unlock it secretly, as he had the gun on them, but she was unsuccessful in getting it unlocked.

Is it known how many feet away BG was from the girls when she began recording? How many feet when she was trying to hide that she was trying to unlock it?

He was close enough to have the gun up close and personal. He probably had Abby by the arm with the gun pointed at her head---that would make Libby comply.

And you are mistaken that I was insinuating anything negative about the phone activity.

 

[AugustWest]

IMO, "NO!"

@AugustWest --- I may be wrong here, but is that a question that you as a Defense Attorney would ever ask your client?

No, no and no. Do not ask your client if they are guilty, because if you have knowledge then you can't represent them anymore. Reason being is you cannot lie to the court.

 

[Vern]

BBM for focus

Do you have any WS approved sources confirming these things?

I have a source, the Defense Teams own fallen golden boy for their Franks' - Deputy Todd Click - that actually states that we "can quote him" on that Odinist bunk as being actual bunk.

One more time: Todd Click stated that try as they might, they could not place the individuals at the scene of the crime on the day of the crime.

Todd Click himself has outright dismissed the Odisnism Theory.

Here's the details from Todd Click regarding the Defence taking him out of context with their allegations in the Franks Memorandum:

Officer Click - There are two things that I would like to clear up immediately though. ... Secondly, no one in law enforcement believes Abby and Libby were killed in a ritual sacrifice. That is the defense twisting facts for sensationalism. You can quote me on those two items.

At the Three Day Hearings we also found out from investigators that remained on the case that the "other suspects" that Click refers to were investigated and ruled out - and alibied. Ergo, the Defense's Franks Motion was DENIED.

 

[FromGermany1]

I have read that most of the times an offender is relieved after confessing to LE. They usually go back to the cell and sleep.
Unfortunately RA was trying to seek this and the only individual that was somewhat willing to listen to was Dr Wala. I think the way he was immediately shut down by family and possibly others caused immense stress.
Ultimately he decided the acceptance of his earthly family was more important than his heavenly salvation.
Perhaps after conviction they will be open to hearing him. Maybe not.
Jmo

I wonder, if his earthly family will be happy to get this messed up man back into their circle after an acquittal .....

 

[mrjitty]

Extreme remorse.

extreme remorse for himself.

i don’t believe this perp truly feels anything for the victims.

 

[Tealgrove]

extreme remorse for himself.

i don’t believe this perp truly feels anything for the victims.

Nope, it’s all about him IMO.

 

[MiniMoo]

Clearly we disagree. I’ll find some of his statements that I find indicative of a delusional/confused state.

I think I did is not the same as I know I did or I did it without a doubt.

Dont know about you, but I tend to use I think I did if I'm not 100% sure - behind it I will frantically retrace mentally or check to see if I did what I thought I had done because I'm not really certain.

That is just me...

JMO MOO JMT

 

[Deleted member 39678]

extreme remorse for himself.

i don’t believe this perp truly feels anything for the victims.

I'm not sure if I follow your point. I don't see how RA can have remorse for something someone did to him.

I can see how RA didn't have any feelings for the lives of his victims when he killed them. Remorse could have come later. JMO.

 

[Deleted member 39678]

I think I did is not the same as I know I did or I did it without a doubt.

Dont know about you, but I tend to use I think I did if I'm not 100% sure - behind it I will frantically retrace mentally or check to see if I did what I thought I had done because I'm not really certain.

That is just me...

JMO MOO JMT

I wonder why RA thought he did it?

 

[MiniMoo]

I wonder why RA thought he did it?

Don't think solitary confinement did him any favours that is most certain.

JMO MOO JMT

 

[snooptroop88]

I wonder what RA wore to Peru that morning, that he needed to go home for a jacket. Until they were stripped of theirs, Abby and Libby found sweatshirts sufficed.

I suspect RA went home for more than just a jacket. And that the jacket wasn't for warmth but to hide what he went home for.

JMO

Source: Allen, who did not seem nervous initially, told the investigators that he spent the morning of Feb. 13, 2017 at his mother's house in Peru. He left Miami County around 11 a.m., stopped by his house to put on a jacket and went to the trail. He wore his Carhartt coat, although he said he wasn't sure if he wore blue or black jacket. He also said he wore a skull cap or a beanie and either boots or tennis shoes.

Jurors hear about Richard Allen's prison confessions in Delphi trial

Jurors watched two video interrogations of Richard Allen, one on Oct. 13, 2022 and another on Oct. 26, 2022, the same day Allen was arrested.

www.indystar.com

He went in the morning without a jacket, according to himself. But the weather that morning between about 6 am and 10 am was hovering between low to mid 20s, hitting around 30 nearing 10am. And while 6:54 am is listing "clear," 7:54 is sunny. So he went in that weather without a jacket (?) But then, he leaves Peru around 11, when the temperature has increased into the mid-30s. It's about 45 minutes out from Peru to Delphi. By noon, the temperature is tipping near 40 degrees and sunny.

I don't think he stopped home for a jacket, either. And he passed on lunch with his mother. Why no lunch? He must not have had much of an appetite that day, but that weather tends to make people hungry, and at the time, he looks like he was in good health and eating regularly.

 

[Deleted member 39678]

Don't think solitary confinement did him any favours that is most certain.

JMO MOO JMT

I might be able to entertain that idea if it wasn't for RA saying he was at the crime scene, wearing clothes similar to BG and a .40 caliber round was found there and he owned a .40 caliber handgun.

Not a .22 or a .380, or a 9mm, or a .45, or a 10mm. JMO.

 

[jepop]

I'm not sure if I follow your point. I don't see how RA can have remorse for something someone did to him.

I can see how RA didn't have any feelings for the lives of his victims when he killed them. Remorse could have come later. JMO.

I believe sometimes the act of confessing might relieve guilt, even if the person confessing is unaware ( not conscious,) of feeling any overt guilt. Becoming aware of guilt can be a step towards feeling remorse at some point in the future. Moo, just some general musings on the topic.

To me, the testimony so far points to RA being, during the relevant time periods, desperate to confess jmo. I think internal pressure seeking psychological relief is one possible explanation. Jmo