Abby & Libby - The Delphi Murders - Richard Allen Arrested - #210

[jepop]

He confesses but his wife and mother persuade him to shut up about it so everyone’s life can go along as if he’s innocen

Respectfully snipped for focus; This brings to mind a line from the film American Beauty ( not the first time the line has been evoked for me here at WS).

"Never underestimate the power of denial"- character's name is Ricki - an unfortunate but irrelevant coincidence

Appreciate your thoughts and opinion in summarising.

 

[Poedelini]

He has sorrow for his new circumstances and life he lost

Super common among these guys IMO

Yes. Must be a shock to him and his family to eventually being arrested after 5 years. He probably thought he got away with it.

Jmo

 

[iamshadow21]

He said he saw 3 girls. There were actually 4 girls.
Is that not a problem for the prosecution?

Nope.

Because the girls had a phone showing when and where they were. Their account lines up with the known movements of others on the trails, including Abby and Libby. Also, I believe one of the girls was much younger, perhaps he didn't notice her. Or he lied, for whatever reason.

He saw a group of girls, and a group of girls saw him. That's in his witness statement, and theirs.

Which is bad for him, because although his phone is MIA, theirs isn't, and they have timestamped pictures from the trail corroborating the time that they, and he, were there.

MOO

 

[mrjitty]

I just want to clarify that I meant the group of girls' that saw "BG" on their way out of the trails, that locks that time in around 1:30 p.m., also proves that RA couldn't have left at an earlier time like he claimed.

To DD on February 18th, 2017 RA said he was at the trails from 1:30 to 3:30 p.m. according to the tip narrative.

Then to Holeman in October 2022 RA said he left the trails that day at 1, 1:30, 1:45 p.m.

It would have been impossible for those four girls' not to have seen Richard Allen (if RA is innocent and he left the trails at the earlier timeframe he told Holeman in 2022) since they walked the whole trail, took a picture at 12:43 p.m. on the bridge, walked back down the trail from where they came from, took a picture on a bench at 1:26 p.m., and then headed toward the Freedom Bridge to leave.

Edited: To convey the point of my post better.

I agree with what you say

For RA to be innocent, he had to have seen an earlier group of 3 different girls after 12, while the group of 3(4) juvenile girls see the real bridge guy.

I agree it's not possible.

 

[mrjitty]

Yes. Must be a shock to him and his family to eventually being arrested after 5 years. He probably thought he got away with it.

Jmo

I suspect there was a fair amount of drinkers remorse

 

[girlhasnoname]

I suspect there was a fair amount of drinkers remorse

I believe it's more of 'In Vino Veritas'. Liquid courage for clearly sick mind. JMO

 

[iamshadow21]

I believe it's more of 'In Vino Veritas'. Liquid courage for clearly sick mind. JMO

The perpetrators of these kinds of crimes who 'pass' well in regular society compartmentalise well, and it's not uncommon for them to use alcohol to deliberately lower inhibitions before going on the hunt. Bundy did, notably.

I don't know how many times the killer of Abby and Libby had those drinks, got his murder kit together, and went out to somewhere like Monon High Bridge and either didn't see someone he wanted or didn't have the nerve to follow through. On that day in February, everything came together in the most terrible way.

MOO

 

[Davemac1]

The trail timeline to identify Richard Allen as Bridge guy is absolutely key here and I just don't think the prosecution are doing enough to get their facts across to the jury.
The fact a day or so after the murders he said he was there between 13:30 & 15:30. But 5 (FIVE!) years later he changed that time frame to much earlier. Ask yourselves what is likely to be the more vivid memory? Days after or multiple years?
No photos in court showing the perspective Betsy Blair would've had from her vantage point to the first platform. It was about 100 yards wasn't it. Very difficult to give an age approximation from that distance. She did so anyway and the defense have been hanging on it.
As far as I can see they haven't presented exactly where the group of girls saw him on the trail and I also think at trial they didn't ask the witnesses from that group in which direction he was travelling?

When asked in 2022 if he had ever crossed the full length of the bridge on previous trips to the trails he said it was treacherous and not something he had done for years. The girls were murdered 'years' before this interview!
There are many more details that haven't been mentioned imo.
The prosecution are really showing a lack of thorough investigation to me.
They are tiny details, but in the scheme of things put together they are huge ...but I don't get the impression the prosecution are getting it across.

 

[shonyakay]

He said he saw 3 girls. There were actually 4 girls.
Is that not a problem for the prosecution?

No, because all of the timelines match up. RA's original timeline to DD from 1:30 p.m. to 3:30 p.m.

The picture taken of the group of girls' at 1:26 p.m. before they headed toward the Freedom Bridge where they encountered "BG".

A car similar to RA's captured on the Hoosier Harvest Store's camera driving westbound in the direction of the old CPS building at 1:27 p.m

On February 18, 2017 when RA mentioned he saw three girls' when he arrived at the trails at 1:30 p.m.

Since the beginning of the trial we now know there were two older teens, and two younger girls'. A 13 year old and a 12 year old in the group.

There were rumors that there was a young child with the three teens' but testimony at trial has shown it was actually a pre teen girl of 12 years.

RA also at one point described a tall girl in rhay group with brown or black hair which matched one of the two older teen girls', Railly Voorhies.

Kathy Shank who located the DD tip narrative says what caught her eye about the tip was the fact it mentioned this man had seen three girls' and she knew three girls' had mentioned seeing BG.

So my belief based on Kathy's testimony is one of the four girls' in the group did not see RA and RA didn't mention her because he didn't see her.

And IIRC, it was stated on here way back that only three of the four girls' were interviewed.

 

[Tricia]

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