Abby & Libby - The Delphi Murders - Richard Allen Arrested - #211

[minor4th]

At least Oberg used the weapon for her analysis. Sheesh.

Sounds like he credibly shot down Oberg’s analysis (no pun intended)

 

[Willow Knight]

It's the most logical deduction based on the witnesses' digital evidence, the camera evidence from the Hoosier Harvest Store, the digital evidence from one of the victims', and RA's original statements to Dan Dulin five days after the murders' were committed.

All my opinion.

Jumping off your post @shonyakay to add my point. Richard Allen has not testified, so it is correct that no one has testified as of yet. However Richard Allen, himself, reported to DD that he is BG when he gave the time he arrived at the trails, what he was wearing, and the witnesses he passed confirm this. The witnesses he passed confirmed they recognized BG as the person they passed.

The witnesses saw an image of BG, the witnesses recognized BG as the person they passed as they were leaving and he was arriving. RA confirmed BG was him. MOO

 

[shonyakay]

I apologize if this has been asked/mentioned…I have fallen behind. I’ve heard KA had stepped out midday (maybe Friday? Guessing) and hasn’t come back since. Is this still the case? Also heard that the daughter testified but would not make eye contact with RA and KA was not there during this either.

IF she has not come back, are there any theories as to why not or has anything been said?

JMO

The Murder Sheet said when Libby's video was shown KA looked disgusted in their opinion.

 

[minor4th]

RSBM

Especially so if your test results in the same markings showing up ....

The Defense isn't stupid, but I don't believe the Jurors are either.

Even Oberg couldn’t get consistent marks when comparing cycled unspent cartridges.

So what would have been the point of having another witness confirm that test results are inconclusive?

 

[tlcya]

RSBM

Especially so if your test results in the same markings showing up ....

The Defense isn't stupid, but I don't believe the Jurors are either.

bbm YEPPERS, and I believe that is exactly why Defense did not want their expert to conduct his own tests.

 

[minor4th]

All my opinion.

Jumping off your post @shonyakay to add my point. Richard Allen has not testified, so it is correct that no one has testified as of yet. However Richard Allen, himself, reported to DD that he is BG when he gave the time he arrived at the trails, what he was wearing, and the witnesses he passed confirm this. The witnesses he passed confirmed they recognized BG as the person they passed.

The witnesses saw an image of BG, the witnesses recognized BG as the person they passed as they were leaving and he was arriving. RA confirmed BG was him. MOO

Richard Allen most assuredly did not report to police that he was Bridge Guy.

 

[Warwick7]

I hadn't hear this before:

"Her testimony centered around a car she says she saw near the trails at the CPS building. Today, she told the court that the car she saw that day was turned and backed into a spot. She said she found it odd."

Delphi Murders Trial: Day 16 | Defense calls expert witnesses in Richard Allen's defense

Attorneys call expert witnesses in defense of Richard Allen. He is accused of killing Libby German and Abby Williams in February 2017 near the Monon High Bridge in Delphi.

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[jepop]

I doubt the information would be confusing to the jurors if explained well by the experts... I think this is the State being desperate to allow anything that might show RA as possibly not guilty to the jurors. Moo. Appeals are going to be hella interesting if there is a conviction. MOo.

You asked the question, and I linked the answer. Kinda sounds like you already had your own answer there though and that's fine. Thanks for your thoughts. Agree to disagree.

 

[MassGuy]

1:52 P.M.​

Court is back in session at 11:31 a.m. There have been delays in getting the pool notes from Delphi today.

Defense attorney Brad Rozzi is continuing his questioning of Eric Warren. He asks “do firearm manufacturers take into account the force of the slide?” Warren responds, “yes, it’s a blueprint characteristic.”

Rozzi asks, “Is there research on integrity of the slide over time?” Warrens responds, “not specifically.”

Rozzi asks, “how would you describe Sig Sauer’s quality?” Warren says “generally perceived as high quality, the slide should maintain its integrity over time.”

Prosecution attorney Jame Luttrell asks Warren, “the test fired cartridge in this case was suitable in Oberg’s conclusion?” Warren says “yes, that was her concession.”

Luttrell asks, “do you actively use CMS (firearm training methods)?” Wheeler responds, “yes. Only applicable to striated marks not in impressed marks.” He says he does not use in every case.

Luttrell asks “Were you trained to use another examiner’s photographs to testify about CMS in court?” Warren says yes.

Luttrell asks, “In 2021 did you indicate that you did not use CMS?” Warren says, “it might not have been applicable in that case, but I do not recall.”

Delphi Murders trial: Day 16 live blog

Day 16 in the trial of Delphi Murders suspect Richard Allen begins Tuesday at the Carroll County Courthouse in Delphi. Follow our live blog for the latest updates.

www.wishtv.com

 

[shonyakay]

@Niner,
Here's BB's testimony today. I will try to locate her testimony via State, and post that as well.


Defense then called Betsey Blair, a witness who told police she saw “Bridge Guy”

Blair said the prosecution did not ask her what car she was driving on Feb. 13, 2017, earlier in the trial.

She testified that she went to the trails near the Monon High Bridge on Feb. 13, 2017, and then left after a while. She returned to the trails at 1:45 p.m. and left for good at 2:15 p.m.

Blair told the court she left Mears entrance and turned left. She saw wone car in the CPS lot. It had been backed into a parking spot and its front was pointing toward the county road. She said the car was not a bright color like red or yellow.

Defense attorney Andrew Baldwin asked Blair if it was not a black car. She said she didn’t recall.

Baldwin handed Blair a statement she made on April 2, 2019. In the statement, she says the car could not have been black.

Blair said she only saw the side of the car and couldn’t tell if it was a hatchback, adding that she even drew the profile of the car for police.

The jury was then shown a defense exhibit — Blair’s drawing of the car.

The defense ended its questioning and cross-examination began at 9:30 a.m.

Delphi Murders trial: Day 16 live blog

Day 16 in the trial of Delphi Murders suspect Richard Allen begins Tuesday at the Carroll County Courthouse in Delphi. Follow our live blog for the latest updates.

wishtv.com

Okay, where is the mention by BB of a Mercury car that the defense leaners claim she said?

 

[minor4th]

I doubt the information would be confusing to the jurors if explained well by the experts... I think this is the State being desperate to allow anything that might show RA as possibly not guilty to the jurors. Moo. Appeals are going to be hella interesting if there is a conviction. MOo.

That’s Judge Gull’s catch-all rationale for a lot of her rulings against the defense.

 

[Niner]

BB is the woman who walked down the trail wearing her fitbit, observed BG on the first platform, then turned to continue her walk and passed by Abby & Libby on their way to the bridge.

BB is the last indvdual to see those young ladies before their killer kidnapped them from that bridge and brutally murdered them.

Thanks - I thought that was her.

And @arielilane & others - thanks for those updates - I do see WISH back up!

 

[mrjitty]

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it’s remarkable how successful the Due Process gang have been at misleading on this.

 

[Ravenmoon]

Richard Allen most assuredly did not report to police that he was Bridge Guy.

However; He reported that he was a guy that was on the bridge.

 

[ClearAhead]

If the data would not be confusing or misleading and was relevant, it would be allowed. The motion in limine quite literally and clearly specifies they only seek to limit irrelevant, confusing, or misleading geofence data.

Yes IIRC don’t we already know inaccuracy of geofencing data already resulted in allegations made by the Due Process Gang toward a totally innocent person who was never where it said he was?

The P is wise to ensure the data cannot be misconstrued during this trial.

JMO

 

[minor4th]

Okay, where is the mention by BB of a Mercury car that the defense leaners claim she said?

Wasn’t BB the one who said it was a PT Cruiser or maybe a hatchback?

 

[Knitty]

New thread incoming - hold your posts for a few minutes.

 

[tlcya]

it’s remarkable how successful the Due Process gang have been at misleading on this.

yep, it's in black and white, right there in the order. And yet we continue to hear it spun that the judge is allowing suppression of all data.

 

[MiniMoo]

Wasn’t BB the one who said it was a PT Cruiser or maybe a hatchback?

There was a purple car so I'm wondering if that was her or an old model type.

JMO MOO JMT

 

[BUF]

@Niner,
Here's BB's testimony today. I will try to locate her testimony via State, and post that as well.


Defense then called Betsey Blair, a witness who told police she saw “Bridge Guy”

Blair said the prosecution did not ask her what car she was driving on Feb. 13, 2017, earlier in the trial.

She testified that she went to the trails near the Monon High Bridge on Feb. 13, 2017, and then left after a while. She returned to the trails at 1:45 p.m. and left for good at 2:15 p.m.

Blair told the court she left Mears entrance and turned left. She saw wone car in the CPS lot. It had been backed into a parking spot and its front was pointing toward the county road. She said the car was not a bright color like red or yellow.

Defense attorney Andrew Baldwin asked Blair if it was not a black car. She said she didn’t recall.

Baldwin handed Blair a statement she made on April 2, 2019. In the statement, she says the car could not have been black.

Blair said she only saw the side of the car and couldn’t tell if it was a hatchback, adding that she even drew the profile of the car for police.

The jury was then shown a defense exhibit — Blair’s drawing of the car.

The defense ended its questioning and cross-examination began at 9:30 a.m.

Delphi Murders trial: Day 16 live blog

Day 16 in the trial of Delphi Murders suspect Richard Allen begins Tuesday at the Carroll County Courthouse in Delphi. Follow our live blog for the latest updates.

wishtv.com

@arielilane thank you for answering @Niner . I had to run out.