Abby & Libby - The Delphi Murders - Richard Allen Arrested - #212

[Vaderman]

At 4:07 p.m. court is back in session. Judge Gull starts off by scolding the jury, she says officers informed her of people in the jury talking and says anyone talking will be kicked out.

Talking amongst themselves? Talking to someone outside of the jury?

 

[Warwick7]

She scolded the jury...
Wowzers!

 

[m00c0w]

How can you say it was clearly from water damage?

I’m also skeptical about this new info, but let’s wait til we get all the reports and hear cross examination.

Because that’s what makes the most sense. By far. It’s a well-known result of water in the headphone jack, we know the girls were just marched through a creek, and Abby’s clothing was so wet it was still damp when the girls were found. To boot, one would have to believe that someone had the phone without the phone ever logging more movement, had to plug the cable in milliseconds after the phone started ringing, and then unplugged the cable many hours later after the phone still not recording movement. The entire premise is nonsensical and it makes way more sense that water from the creek got into the headphone jack and was agitated into a spot where it caused the sensor to short when the phone started to vibrate from the incoming call.

It’s equally disturbing to me that the witness testified under oath that water and dirt could not impact the headphone jack sensor, and that Cecil was so very poorly equipped to rebut this.

JMO

 

[minor4th]

She answered No to the water question.

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At 3:35 McLeland starts cross-examination again. Eldridge says that it takes “a little bit of movement” for a phone to start logging movements.

The jury asked the following questions:

1. Did you ever write your own timeline? Eldridge said “no, not enough time.”
2. Could any of this be related to Libby’s iPad? Eldridge says they were not synced.
3. Would water impact movement? Eldridge says no, that water would not impact the port.
4. Can you tell if the phone was on silent or vibrate? Eldridge says no.
5. Could you review Allen’s historical location timeline if he was using a “Ting” phone? She says she could if it was available.
6. Are there other apps that measure movement? She says yes, but did not look to see if Libby had them.

Court is in recess at 3:45 p.m.

Interesting jury questions. It sounds like they are not outright dismissing this testimony.

 

[katydid23]

How can you say it was clearly from water damage?

I’m also skeptical about this new info, but let’s wait til we get all the reports and hear cross examination.

I think its clearly from water damage because the girls clothes were wet from crossing the creek and the phone was hidden in their clothing.

It is a known fact that when a phone/battery gets drenched it can stop and start erratically. Stops when wet and can restart when dries a bit. It's not rocket science.

 

[katydid23]

Interesting jury questions. It sounds like they are not outright dismissing this testimony.

Sounds like they are questioning it though. 'Could WATER have an impact?' And Eldridge answered NO, which is unreal, imo.

 

[Warwick7]

Interesting jury questions. It sounds like they are not outright dismissing this testimony.

However, they aren't taking it at face value. They have questions.

 

[Davemac1]

Well, they were marched through a creek, Abby’s clothes were wet, and the phone was found under Abby. Call it an educated guess.

Sounds like they are questioning it though. 'Could WATER have an impact?' And Eldridge answered NO, which is unreal, imo.

A better question might have been' Are there any known instances of this brand of phone indicating headphones are connected when they are not?'

 

[steeltowngirl]

Talking amongst themselves? Talking to someone outside of the jury?

I think talking to each other based on some X posts, but waiting to hear from media updates.

 

[minor4th]

Because that’s what makes the most sense. By far. It’s a well-known result of water in the headphone jack, we know the girls were just marched through a creek, and Abby’s clothing was so wet it was still damp when the girls were found. To boot, one would have to believe that someone had the phone without the phone ever logging more movement, had to plug the cable in milliseconds after the phone started ringing, and then unplugged the cable many hours later after the phone still not recording movement. The entire premise is nonsensical and it makes way more sense that water from the creek got into the headphone jack and was agitated into a spot where it caused the sensor to short when the phone started to vibrate from the incoming call.

It’s equally disturbing to me that the witness testified under oath that water and dirt could not impact the headphone jack sensor, and that Cecil was so very poorly equipped to rebut this.

JMO

Ok but we don’t know what the expert was referencing. If she was looking at the extraction report, that’s different than just getting a notification that headphones are plugged in.

 

[TristanP]

Seems that the jury has a couple of members experienced with firearms. That's a good thing. IMO

I agree! It's really important.

 

[Warwick7]

Sounds like they are questioning it though. 'Could WATER have an impact?' And Eldridge answered NO, which is unreal, imo.

Eldridge or Google......

Hmmm...whom should I believe?

Even some of the witnesses in the trial Googled it themselves. LOL!!!!

 

[Warwick7]

I think talking to each other based on some X posts, but waiting to hear from media updates.

Have we heard anything more about a juror yelling out either at Gull or the prosecution?

 

[minor4th]

I think its clearly from water damage because the girls clothes were wet from crossing the creek and the phone was hidden in their clothing.

It is a known fact that when a phone/battery gets drenched it can stop and start erratically. Stops when wet and can restart when dries a bit. It's not rocket science.

And do you know how the headphone connection info would show up in a cellebrite extraction report?

Yeah, neither do I.

 

[TristanP]

Well, they were marched through a creek, Abby’s clothes were wet, and the phone was found under Abby. Call it an educated guess.

I sure hope an educated guess isn't sufficient when it comes to a person's freedom.

If the phone was damaged by water, I want to know if it's documented by the people who examined the phone.

 

[chipwhitley]

Technology can do strange things when interacting with water. In the Sierra LaMar case, prosecutors believed moisture/water caused her phone to connect to Verizon network. So, it makes sense to me that it could also indicate that a headphone jack was being used.

 

[Boxer]

Yes, Kelsi was questioned by LE multiple times about everything about the day the girls went missing, including people and vehicles she saw at drop off. If the girls handed over their phone, I would imagine there could have been DNA or fingerprints, unless he wiped it off. But more likely, he’d have just kept it. He didn’t, it was found at the crime scene.

He rushed them and had no expectation he was filmed so he left it.

 

[INfisherman]

That seems like a LOT of hours. I can’t imagine spending 15 hours prepping for testimony.

I’d hope you’d take your time at the hourly rate the D was paying. Why get in a rush?

 

[photographer4]

Wait.....did they really pay her for 80 hours at 300 an hour? Forgive me not being a math expert but isn't that $24,000? Just seems steep. I understand we want him to have the best experts and best attorneys so there won't be any question of the verdict but.....just seems real, real expensive.

I was wondering what that employer paid Wala and whether she may be sued as a result of her lack of ethics and professionalism. I wouldn’t be happy if I were her now former employer. Moo.

 

[photographer4]

My theory based on nothing other than life experience is that the phone got wet in the creek and basically stopped working for several hours. When it dried out enough it came back on and all those messages were delivered. The defense should leave this alone IMO

Q: with iPhone 6 wasn’t water damage checked for via the SIM card cage or something? A red dot meant water and no dot meant not water? Kinda think this is how they checked one of my iPhones maybe the 6?
This link says so - which makes me wonder, did anyone check for a red mark? Moo

Water and other liquid damage to iPhone or iPod isn't covered by warranty - Apple Support (CA)

Service for liquid damage to an iPhone or iPod isn't covered by the Apple One-Year Limited Warranty.

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