Abby & Libby - The Delphi Murders - Richard Allen Arrested - #212

[minor4th]

Q: with iPhone 6 wasn’t water damage checked for via the SIM card cage or something? A red dot meant water and no dot meant not water? Kinda think this is how they checked one of my iPhones maybe the 6?
This link says so - which makes me wonder, did anyone check for a red mark? Moo

Water and other liquid damage to iPhone or iPod isn't covered by warranty - Apple Support (CA)

Service for liquid damage to an iPhone or iPod isn't covered by the Apple One-Year Limited Warranty.

support.apple.com

Apparently not.

 

[Spartygirl]

I'm really struggling to see what his defense are trying to prove here?
All they need to do is get him out of the trails at the time the girls were walking towards the bridge.
Providing wild theories and very sketchy expert witnesses for things they really don't need to be getting involved with is madness.

Right?!?!
We wondered that when the Franks # 1,2,3,4,5 came out.

Wild theories and sketchy witnesses seem to be their Forte

They have nothing else.

Throwing things to the wall to see what sticks.

A whole bunch of Nothing.

 

[INfisherman]

Didn’t LE ever check if it the phone was on silent or vibrate when they first found it?? If not, why not???? Moo.

Good question. No disagreement but I’m getting the feeling many details are missing, obviously, due to the media restrictions. Eyebrows may be raised when/if full testimony is available. There is always the off chance one media member did include a detail & the rest didn’t.

JMO

 

[sunshineray]

I take it that he had seen the report from the examiner, but hadn't seen the discovery files or anything. That makes sense.

So he didn't look at the actual bullet?

 

[INfisherman]

Apparently not.

Are we getting full testimony reports now?

 

[MassGuy]

I sure hope an educated guess isn't sufficient when it comes to a person's freedom.

If the phone was damaged by water, I want to know if it's documented by the people who examined the phone.

Regardless of the phone analysis, the crime scene tells us that’s exactly where the girls were murdered. It’s not like believing one thing or another when it comes to the phone changes anything.

 

[photographer4]

Apparently not.

Curious. You’d think they would want to know this back in 2017. Moo.

 

[Deleted member 296739]

No. I suggested that as a potential conspiracy theory. Please disregard. Too many have already grown legs.

Ok- I’m so behind

 

[m00c0w]

Ok but we don’t know what the expert was referencing. If she was looking at the extraction report, that’s different than just getting a notification that headphones are plugged in.

Yes and no. The notification that headphones are plugged in is caused by the sensor circuit closing. If the phone says headphones are plugged in, it thinks headphones are plugged in whether it’s from water damage or actual headphones. The logs will say the same thing either way, because ultimately it’s just reporting the state of the sensor. The water is effectively bridging the circuit, making the phone think there are headphones plugged in when there are not.

JMO

 

[sunshineray]

Yes.
He didn’t need the bullet or gun because he didn’t need those to get paid to say what the defense is paying him to say.


Just my opinion

It seemed that way to me also, if he never bothered to examine the bullet himself. I can understand say the blood spatter expert using crimes scene photos and such but he also went to the crime scene to get to know it in relationship to the pictures. The ballistics guy doesn't even want to look at the bullet himself, independent from what was already done? Maybe that's the way things are done? Seems odd to me. MO

 

[m00c0w]

Q: with iPhone 6 wasn’t water damage checked for via the SIM card cage or something? A red dot meant water and no dot meant not water? Kinda think this is how they checked one of my iPhones maybe the 6?
This link says so - which makes me wonder, did anyone check for a red mark? Moo

Water and other liquid damage to iPhone or iPod isn't covered by warranty - Apple Support (CA)

Service for liquid damage to an iPhone or iPod isn't covered by the Apple One-Year Limited Warranty.

support.apple.com

This is exactly something I would have expected the prosecution to ask on cross, but was not. And it should be pretty well-known she did not have access to the physical phone (she testified she examined the extractions provided to her by the defense), so that’s a super safe question to ask as she’ll have zero idea the state of the sensor.

JMO

 

[INfisherman]

It seemed that way to me also, if he never bothered to examine the bullet himself. I can understand say the blood spatter expert using crimes scene photos and such but he also went to the crime scene to get to know it in relationship to the pictures. The ballistics guy doesn't even want to look at the bullet himself, independent from what was already done? Maybe that's the way things are done? Seems odd to me. MO

In a nutshell, he’s simply giving an opinion that could possibly oppose Oberg’s conclusion. At the very end, it’s his opinion and not much more. Unfortunately the same goes for Oberg’s testimony only she was modest enough to have someone else review her findings & conclusions.

And I disagree completely about him being important, but highly likely he was, in fact, a tool.

111-0.

JMO

 

[sunshineray]

Not necessarily. As I said up above, I
dropped one of my phones in water a few years ago. After that it registerd as tho my wire earplugs were in but they weren't! I could never get it fixed I had to get a new phone.
Libby's phone could have traversed through the creek and or had been laying in wet blood.

Well there you go, quick email the Prosecutor!

 

[sunshineray]

Not necessarily. As I said up above, I
dropped one of my phones in water a few years ago. After that it registerd as tho my wire earplugs were in but they weren't! I could never get it fixed I had to get a new phone.
Libby's phone could have traversed through the creek and or had been laying in wet blood.

And Abby laying on it probably was keeping the moisture there, no air getting at it.

 

[crhedBngr]

Regarding the headphones, were they found underneath Libby with the phone? Within the vicinity of the crime scene, which includes the girls' path down the embankment, through the creek and back up the embankment where the girls were actually found?

And if not found at any of the above places, were they found when L.E. was searching RA's home? Were there traces of them in the burn pit?

If the answer to the above questions is "no", then they should be excluded from discussion.

Period.

JMVHO.

 

[sunshineray]

Regarding the headphones, were they found underneath Libby with the phone? Within the vicinity of the crime scene, which includes the girls' path down the embankment, through the creek and back up the embankment where the girls were actually found?

And if not found at any of the above places, were they found when L.E. was searching RA's home? Were there traces of them in the burn pit?

If the answer to the above questions is "no", then they should be excluded from discussion.

Period.

JMVHO.

There was never any mention of the phone having headphone/ear buds. I'm sure that would have been mentioned as another item recovered at the crime scene. It wasn't. Libby may have had them but not that day, MO

 

[MrsWatson]

And do you know how the headphone connection info would show up in a cellebrite extraction report?

Yeah, neither do I.

Was this witness certified in Cellbrite? I thought she had indicated she used to be Cellbrite certified. Could you provide a link to her current Cellbrite status? TIA.

If she was no longer certified, would she still have access to that information?

 

[Warwick7]

From the article.

During cross-examination by Carroll County Prosecutor Nicholas McLeland, Eldridge acknowledged that she had not previously done extraction analysis of cellphones. McLeland also noted that Libby's phone likely went in and out of service without ever being moved. He asked if its realistic explanation that the phone simply came back to service at 4:33 a.m., when the phone received several text messages from friends and family members.

"That could be a likely explanation," Eldridge said.

This needs repeating:

"From the article.

During cross-examination by Carroll County Prosecutor Nicholas McLeland, Eldridge acknowledged that she had not previously done extraction analysis of cellphones. McLeland also noted that Libby's phone likely went in and out of service without ever being moved. He asked if its realistic explanation that the phone simply came back to service at 4:33 a.m., when the phone received several text messages from friends and family members.

"That could be a likely explanation," Eldridge said.:

 

[INfisherman]

Regarding the headphones, were they found underneath Libby with the phone? Within the vicinity of the crime scene, which includes the girls' path down the embankment, through the creek and back up the embankment where the girls were actually found?

And if not found at any of the above places, were they found when L.E. was searching RA's home? Were there traces of them in the burn pit?

If the answer to the above questions is "no", then they should be excluded from discussion.

Period.

JMVHO.

Yeah, but remember, there were all these other people involved in this murder about which the defense is unable to mention so we have to calmly put on our foil hats and open our minds….the headphones are obviously in the Candyman van.

JMO

ETA autocorrect in/on

 

[Warwick7]

And Abby laying on it probably was keeping the moisture there, no air getting at it.

Also the wet blood that drenched the ground would have also made its way into the ear plug-in jack (port).
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