Abby & Libby - The Delphi Murders - Richard Allen Arrested - #212

[Tealgrove]

So a question for the masses does anybody who thought he was guilty now think he is innocent?

Ummmm….NO!

 

[Mauig’ma]

If it was a carpet cutting blade or a long drywall blade, I wouldn't dispute that. A craft knife with little snap-off sections for safety goes a bit into not likely.

Defense didn't argue about the box cutter because they knew the idea was ridiculous. MOO

Far from ridiculous imo. A box cutter would do the job and that’s what RA admitted to using. I believe him. Moo

 

[Arkay]

Respectfully,
If a couple of guys can divert planes full of people into the World Trade Center with box cutters, surely a guy can murder a couple of girls with them.

This is bordering on ridiculous IMO. The defense did not even argue that a box cutter could not have been used to commit the crime.

MOO

They seem to have worked on 911 --- so let's put that debate to bed quckly. IMO

Thank you both.

I said this threads ago—-box cutters were all that were needed to slash the throats of four pilots and also co-pilots so the terrorists could fly the planes.

I lost 10 people that I knew there, one on one of the planes, and have been sick ever since thinking of how box cutters were allowed on planes back then, and ultimately brought down 220 stories of buildings.

Jmo but also facts.

 

[gremlin444]

I thought the Haldol injections were only once a month?

There are short acting Haldol shots and then there are the once a month Haldol shots.

Then there is oral Haldol that is short acting.

 

[misantha]

So if LE bungled the investigation so badly, I have to wonder why Superintendent Carter asked the FBI to leave the investigation? Shouldn't he have wanted the FBI to stay on? At least the FBI is technically competent...

Didn't Carter testify that they were involved until 2021? If I understand correctly, that's four years they were helping to go down various rabbit holes with no resolution.

Honestly, after seeing what was reported from Eldridge's testimony (who was a former FBI agent), I don't have a lot of confidence that keeping the FBI on the case would have accomplished much.

 

[Tealgrove]

Interesting that no one questioned how 911 terrorists were able to kill pilots and flight attendants with box cutters.

Just sayin…

 

[ManicMuggle83]

Thank you. That is helpful.

-Haloperidol is a first generation/typical antipsychotic.
-Haloperidol (Haldol) decanoate is a long acting intramuscular injection of haloperidol.
-It is not uncommon to also use oral or injectable haloperidol (Haldol) for agitation/aggression associated with psychiatric conditions on an as needed basis by itself or in addition to other medications. This is a standing order on most psychiatric units.
-Quetiapine (Seroquel) is a second generation/atypical antipsychotic. My suspicion is that is was being used as a low dose for insomnia to help RA sleep. It can be given at higher doses for maintenance therapy for a variety of psychological conditions. It is only available in an oral formulation.
-I feel confident stating from the reported testimony that the long-acting injections given for 3 months were haloperidol decanoate.

One of the videos posted upthread reported that Dr. Martin was very specific about medications given, doses, and dates in his testimony. I think it's unlikely we will get those specifics reported out until a transcript is available just given the large amount of data that would need to be written down in a short period of time for media. It appears that we're just getting a brief summary.

Invega is the most common one done monthly at the psych facility I work at.

 

[cbeagle]

I'm not very happy about the testimony from the "gun expert". How on earth do you compare a fired round to an unspent round and say they match?

She testified that it was the approved technique based upon scientific studies.

 

[shonyakay]

I’m sorry but you don’t just spontaneously go from thinking at least two knives were used to thinking a box cutter could have inflicted all of the wounds.

It was never definitive what instrument was used. IIRC, RL's search warrant shows LE were looking for sharp instruments. Not specifically serrated instruments.

 

[PrairieWind]

I'm not very happy about the testimony from the "gun expert". How on earth do you compare a fired round to an unspent round and say they match?

I don't think that testimony was all that strong, so if I were a juror, I don't think i'd give it too much weight. But I also think it doesn't matter too much. A .40 cal round was found, he owned a .40 cal. Combined with the other evidence, I don't need the technical analysis to say it was his gun that ejected the round. I think the prosecution could have left that out and still been fine.

 

[shonyakay]

I’m sorry but you don’t just spontaneously go from thinking at least two knives were used to thinking a box cutter could have inflicted all of the wounds.

Also, if the perp inflicted several slashes in/near the same wounds like on Libby, it may distort the wounds.

 

[getthefax]

I lost 10 people that I knew there, one on one of the planes, and have been sick ever since thinking of how box cutters were allowed on planes back then, and ultimately brought down 220 stories of buildings.

Jmo but also facts.

I’m truly sorry for your unfathomable losses.

The very words “box cutter” leave me terminally enraged after 9/11.

They are extra lethal because of their ordinariness— they are sharp, yes, but they are also everywhere and seem to be handy when evil people want to commit crimes.


moo

 

[steeltowngirl]

Thank you both.

I said this threads ago—-box cutters were all that were needed to slash the throats of four pilots and also co-pilots so the terrorists could fly the planes.

I lost 10 people that I knew there, one on one of the planes, and have been sick ever since thinking of how box cutters were allowed on planes back then, and ultimately brought down 220 stories of buildings.

Jmo but also facts.

I had no idea Arkay that the 9/11 attack hit home for you in a personal way. I’m very sorry. We will never forget.

 

[FrostedGlass]

Here's a link to the kind I used at work. It isn't a craft knife and I highly doubt that RAs utility knife/box cutter (we call them utility knives here) was of the cheap, craft variety. It was intended for work purposes.

Can't cut skin? Nearly decapitate? OK. That just takes more cuts.

They seem to have worked on 911 --- so let's put that debate to bed quckly. IMO.

https://www.homedepot.ca/product/husky-quick-change-serrated-utility-knife/1001523877

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OK, you almost have me convinced. Maybe he was still sober enough to take the box cutter instead of getting one of his really nice knifes all bloody. It could happen.

 

[Spartygirl]

I think it would take a lot of pressure to nearly decapitate a person with a craft knife, blades would snap.
Not saying it could never be done but how likely is it?

Can you make the marks like the pathologist showed with your craft knife?

It can be done and it was done --to Libby & Abby !!!

We don't call them Craft knives here, they are Box Cutters and extremely sharp.

 

[lonetraveler]

I am so glad I am not on this Jury. Do I think RA is guilty…probably. Do I think this was proved BARD …not so much. I guess I am a “hung jury of one”. JMHO and I do so want justice for these two girls and their families.

I think the evidence presented lacks a lot of BARD. I still feel that the jury will hang. I think he is guilty but the evidence is not solid. JMO

 

[shonyakay]

Some of the wounds were 2 inches deep. I don’t see how a box cutter could make that kind of incision.

Google is your friend.

 

[MrsWatson]

If you've ever sliced your finger with any type of box cutter, you know how razor sharp they are. I have the scar from three stitches in my left index finger. Even the craft type ones, like @NoeticSoul displayed, or the heavy duty ones @Vern displayed. All very sharp. I've used all kinds,and those in between. I worked in a convenience store/tobacco distribution warehouse and sometimes cut open and broke down boxes. I imagine the boxcutter I had was similar to the ones RA used: in between the craft vs heavy duty one, but still, very sharp. I worked in a dicey neighborhood and we dealt in all cash. I kept a boxcutter in my back pocket all the time, even though my job was mostly bookkeeping and inventory, not much stocking. But we had a lot of cash on premises.

All IME, MOO.

 

[MassGuy]

Google is your friend.

It’s also your friend if you want to see the kinds of injuries a boxcutter can inflict. Pretty gruesome.

 

[Spartygirl]

Thank you both.

I said this threads ago—-box cutters were all that were needed to slash the throats of four pilots and also co-pilots so the terrorists could fly the planes.

I lost 10 people that I knew there, one on one of the planes, and have been sick ever since thinking of how box cutters were allowed on planes back then, and ultimately brought down 220 stories of buildings.

Jmo but also facts.

So sorry for your loss @Arkay

9/11 was horrific and we will never Forget !!!