AK AK - Steve Keel, 61, missing from hunting trip, from TN - Aug 27, 2022

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This picture is from post #12 above. I wonder if he would have been found by now if he had been wearing hunter orange instead of camo.

In Ontario, all licensed hunters, including bow hunters, falconers, bear hunters and trappers who are hunting under their trapping licence during a gun season for deer, elk or moose, are required to wear hunter orange. I gasped in alarm when I saw the photo showing what he was wearing.

Wear orange when hunting. It could save your life. Moose are colour blind, so they don't care what colour you wear.

This is what hunter orange looks like:
Information on Resident Moose Hunts

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SK was wearing camo even when he wasn't hunting. Even if he'd had an orange bandanna, it would have helped.
I'm cringing at the shooting of a moose. However, these dudes are in a relatively benign environment and they're WAY better prepared than SK was in the tundra. They have extra orange, not just one garment: this tells me they think it's safer to exceed the law. And look at those layers!
These fellas are illustrating one aspect of "experience": dressing appropriately for the conditions and to mitigate risk.
 
The local folks in AK historically may not have had satellite technology, but they had climate-adapted apparel and "gear". They know what to wear and what not to wear. They know their limits when it comes to going into the tundra (many only go there when it's frozen). They know how to build for warmth, and what in their environment can support life. It's been this way for generations.
These days, locals use satellite technology if they're going in the tundra. Also, NSB LE, in their formal statements, have warned that any folks searching for SK need to have a satellite communicator in case they need SOS. They also made clear folks need to check in with LE beforehand, too. Both of these statements were VERY pointed.
SK and BC had only one communicator (zoleo) between them. Sharing a zoleo would be like if you had two sick patients in a hospital room and you wanted them to share the red call button.

For some reason I can't fathom, the SOS function wasn't on SK's and BC's radar, and they didn't each have a zoleo. They did have a thought they could get separated—they had an agreement they'd meet back at the vehicle (which is a super impractical agreement if you're injured or lost in the wilderness)—but I guess didn't think through to the concept of EMERGENCY, like getting separated and getting injured or lost.
Yes they did have one Zoleo between them. Which makes the situation harder for either of them if something were to happen. Again not disagreeing with that. IMO Steve was feeling he would be back relatively soon. He had the glock with him so he could shoot to make the noise to inform Bryan if something went haywire. We are assuming a lot of things here. First of all Bryan hasn't said what Steve said to him as to why Steve had dropped his pack of meat in the first place (not that I've come across anyways although I could be wrong & may have missed it.) If we had that info then part of the reasoning can be ruled out or concluded. Since we don't know why he dropped it we are assuming its because he was exhausted or it was too heavy for him to carry. That's why this discussion is happening IMO from my perspective it is. I am not going to assume that, however. However, there is a reason why he dropped it in the first place and went back to his and Bryan's camp. He rested up and went the next day. Did he specifically tell Bryan he dropped it because he was exahausted. I understand the logic of "pride". Well he didn't want to make himself look weak, ya I get it. What reason did he give Bryan? Of course Bryan accepted whatever answer Steve gave him and didn't think twice about it at the time. But did he really? Didn't the thought cross Bryan's mind that maybe its not going the way we planned? Or for that matter Steve as well had this thought? Regardless he went back because he thought he was fine or the circumstances were fine. At what point on his way to the pack of meat did he realize it wasn't going well. How far would that glock shot have been heard? Look another point is if it had originally taken Steve a certain amount of time to get to the caribou hunting place then at some point after that time he would realize he was going in the wrong direction. So wouldn't he fire off a shot. Its obviously less than an hour. If the marker is correct. Then Bryan would still hear the shot. In any direction. IMO its not as simple as it appears.
 
Actually anywhere hunting is far away from civilization. That is a given. If we want to say commincation in an emergency I understand that because Bryan had satelite phone, communication device as Steve didn't take it with him. So, IMO perhaps civilization being farther away doesn't apply.
No. You can hunt in many national forests that are mere meters from main roads, parking areas, ranger and visitor stations, Camp grounds, highways, etc
 
No. You can hunt in many national forests that are mere meters from main roads, parking areas, ranger and visitor stations, Camp grounds, highways, etc
Don't get me wrong I'm not arguing here I'm just giving an opinion. By civilization I mean that. A rural area is rural regardless of how close it is to a ranger's station, road, highway etc. I'm talking rural.
 
Don't get me wrong I'm not arguing here I'm just giving an opinion. By civilization I mean that. A rural area is rural regardless of how close it is to a ranger's station, road, highway etc. I'm talking rural.

Rural does not equal away from civilization. And in terma of safety it's a huge difference between being able to reach help after a short walk, or having to walk for miles and miles to even get to the nearest human settlement. Or between being able to pop into a motel to warm yourself up and dry your clothes and having to keep your stuff dry and your body warm all by yourself, because there is no other option. That difference is do huge it can be a difference between life and death.
 
Yes they did have one Zoleo between them. Which makes the situation harder for either of them if something were to happen. Again not disagreeing with that. IMO Steve was feeling he would be back relatively soon. He had the glock with him so he could shoot to make the noise to inform Bryan if something went haywire. We are assuming a lot of things here. First of all Bryan hasn't said what Steve said to him as to why Steve had dropped his pack of meat in the first place (not that I've come across anyways although I could be wrong & may have missed it.) If we had that info then part of the reasoning can be ruled out or concluded. Since we don't know why he dropped it we are assuming its because he was exhausted or it was too heavy for him to carry. That's why this discussion is happening IMO from my perspective it is. I am not going to assume that, however. However, there is a reason why he dropped it in the first place and went back to his and Bryan's camp. He rested up and went the next day. Did he specifically tell Bryan he dropped it because he was exahausted. I understand the logic of "pride". Well he didn't want to make himself look weak, ya I get it. What reason did he give Bryan? Of course Bryan accepted whatever answer Steve gave him and didn't think twice about it at the time. But did he really? Didn't the thought cross Bryan's mind that maybe its not going the way we planned? Or for that matter Steve as well had this thought? Regardless he went back because he thought he was fine or the circumstances were fine. At what point on his way to the pack of meat did he realize it wasn't going well. How far would that glock shot have been heard? Look another point is if it had originally taken Steve a certain amount of time to get to the caribou hunting place then at some point after that time he would realize he was going in the wrong direction. So wouldn't he fire off a shot. Its obviously less than an hour. If the marker is correct. Then Bryan would still hear the shot. In any direction. IMO its not as simple as it appears.
We don’t know that SK didn’t fire a shot. BC may simply have not heard it.

SK might also have forgotten to load his weapon when he forgot the other stuff. He might have dropped it. He might have been in water. He might have broken his hand and couldn’t fire. BC may have thought the shot was from a different hunter. So many possibilities….

Even if SK had fired a shot, then what? How would he have been found, since he has not been find-able at any time?
 
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Actually anywhere hunting is far away from civilization. That is a given. If we want to say commincation in an emergency I understand that because Bryan had satelite phone, communication device as Steve didn't take it with him. So, IMO perhaps civilization being farther away doesn't apply.
Compared to where I live, TN is like someone’s backyard in terms of accessibility.
 
Another thought: if Steve was wet all the time, then he was also cold all the time. That in turn means his body was burning calories like crazy, to keep the core temp up. So if he started his day with just a coffee and not a hearty, calories packed metal, then I can bet he was critically low on blood sugar and not thinking very clearly when he was leaving the camp.
 
Another thought: if Steve was wet all the time, then he was also cold all the time. That in turn means his body was burning calories like crazy, to keep the core temp up. So if he started his day with just a coffee and not a hearty, calories packed metal, then I can bet he was critically low on blood sugar and not thinking very clearly when he was leaving the camp.
I keep asking myself, why didn’t he eat ? Was he ill ? I mean, it was mid morning already.
 
Another thought: if Steve was wet all the time, then he was also cold all the time. That in turn means his body was burning calories like crazy, to keep the core temp up. So if he started his day with just a coffee and not a hearty, calories packed metal, then I can bet he was critically low on blood sugar and not thinking very clearly when he was leaving the camp.
I'm wondering if the fellas even had any food left, except the meat. Any food they took on this trip, would have been carry-in: HEAVY, if they didn't know how to do this light and compact. I would venture to guess they cut corners here. Maybe they didn't even have a way to boil water when they were in their hunt camp. At their base camp, evidently they were able to make coffee, so at least they had a pot, and maybe a stove.

But a week without nourishment in the tundra would really have depleted both guys: I'd bet neither of them was thinking straight at this point. Added to this, hot water is an easy way to get warmed up. You can even fill your Nalgene with hot water and hug it under your jacket. If the fellas opted NOT to take a stove for the hunt camp, they would also have become chronically cold.

FWIW: It's not expensive to make compact, light, backpacking food. You just have to plan. And you have to carry a stove, fuel, and pot. Many hunters use JetBoils: they take very little fuel.

A light JetBoil weighs 13.1 ounce for the 2-cup (i.e. medium size, not fancy) version. It's the cheapest. A small canister of fuel, stored in the cup, weighs 7 oz. Most models don't even require matches.
The fellas could have shared the stove and taken two canisters. (I woulda taken 3 canisters and drunk tea and soup all evening lol). This way, they would have had hot, cooked, nourishing food their entire trip.
Some regular items you get at the grocery store can set up just with boiling water, no cooking. Example: instant grits, dried tomatoes, grated cheese (or chunks), instant black beans, spices. Voilà, Mexican dinner. Example #2: one serving foil package of cooked chicken, instant stuffing, dried cranberries, instant mashed potato, instant gravy, dried vedge, if desired: that's a whole "Thanksgiving dinner". Couscous, Uncle Ben's rice, Angel Hair pasta, oatmeal, instant mashed potato, instant grits, and Ramen, can all be "cooked" this way.
For a healthy serving, these dinners would take approx 2 cups of boiling water. With a JetBoil, one of those small (100 grams) cans of fuel can boil 40 cups of water: that's enough for 20 dinners.

You put your ingredients in a Ziploc Freezer Bag, and just pour boiling water on it. Zip it closed, and let it set up, under your clothes (double duty keeping you warm). 10 minutes later, and you have dinner. You could take 5 helpings of some of these ingredients for one dinner without stressing about weight or bulk. The fellas could have eaten so well on this trip: it just takes awareness about what you need to thrive during highly athletic activities and willingness to make it happen. I have a feeling they didn't: not eating properly would be very dangerous, and it was easily affordable.

BTW "Freezer Bag Cooking" is not my idea, but I did it for 6 months.... I had 35 different dinner menus, all needing only boiling water. I never had to clean dishes or pots, and I had LOTS of food.
 
I keep asking myself, why didn’t he eat ? Was he ill ? I mean, it was mid morning already.
Although I don't know, I'm thinking they just didn't have food planning. I thought it was very interesting he mentioned that he had coffee that morning. Why would that be significant? I can only think they didn't have coffee while hunting. Since a baggie of nescafé weighs like nothing, the only reason there could possibly be for that is if they didn't take a stove to their hunting camp. It only takes, like, a minute to boil a cup of water on a JetBoil, so it can't be that they didn't have time to make it...

And SK's pack always looks mostly empty. It sure doesn't look like there's anything life-sustaining in it.

Maybe they just had energy bars and planned to eat meat? Maybe they thought they'd build a fire, put meat on sticks, and roast it? (I have a feeling fires aren't an option at that location.)

I'm thinking maybe they'd always done things by the seat of their pants, lived off their kill, and had no idea what they were getting into until they pulled up at the side of Dalton Highway, wet, vast nothingness, 100 miles from the nearest store. But they continued to follow through without re-thinking the entire enterprise.
In the scheme of things, the two fellas can't have had that much money allocated to this trip. If they had taken a look at the tundra, realized they weren't prepared, decided to bail, and call it a vacation, it shouldn't have been a big deal. They had flights, car rental, hunting license, maybe a permit (they didn't buy the tags), new white tent, one night in a hotel (unless they slept in the car)... There really wasn't enough $$$ at stake that they couldn't just head home once they saw first hand what they were into.

Memphis to Fairbanks roundtrip would be around $700. I think I calculated the vehicle (including gas at $10/gallon) would be about $700 each.

I'm really just scratching my head about this whole trip.
 
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Rural does not equal away from civilization. And in terma of safety it's a huge difference between being able to reach help after a short walk, or having to walk for miles and miles to even get to the nearest human settlement. Or between being able to pop into a motel to warm yourself up and dry your clothes and having to keep your stuff dry and your body warm all by yourself, because there is no other option. That difference is do huge it can be a difference between life and death.
Well, they hunted in rural Tennessee so it was far from motels, hwys and all other ammeneites mentioned. Away from amenities means just that away from them. It would take a while to get help. For example a ranger station was mentioned it would be considered far feom ammeneties. A ranger may be able to help but limited so I stand corrected.
 
Compared to where I live, TN is like someone’s backyard in terms of accessibility.
I don't know why this is being suggested because there are areas of Tenessee that are the opposite of what you have stated. Not all areas are the same in Tenessee.
 
We don’t know that SK didn’t fire a shot. BC may simply have not heard it.

SK might also have forgotten to load his weapon when he forgot the other stuff. He might have dropped it. He might have been in water. He might have broken his hand and couldn’t fire. BC may have thought the shot was from a different hunter. So many possibilities….

Even if SK had fired a shot, then what? How would he have been found, since he has not been find-able at any time?
I think the post is getting off track. Yes anything is possible the point is Steve hasn't been found and that is the main concern. How do we know any of these things happened. Well at least if Bryan heard the shot he would know Steve was in trouble. The fact that he didn't hear it means either Steve didn't fire it. I don't see why Bryan wouldn't have heard the shot if it was within hearing range. Like I said in my post Steve dropped his bag within range of their campsite. So that means that Steve would realize sooner than later that he had overstated the bag's location. So he should have fired the shot. As for the glock not having ammunition in it I don't think we can assume it didn't. He did hunt the caribou successfully so why wouldn't he have bullets in his glock beforehand.
 
As for the glock not having ammunition in it I don't think we can assume it didn't. He did hunt the caribou successfully so why wouldn't he have bullets in his glock beforehand.

I am absolutely sure he was not hunting caribou with the Glock pistol. Pistols are not made for hunting, that's what the long barreled guns are for.
 
I am absolutely sure he was not hunting caribou with the Glock pistol. Pistols are not made for hunting, that's what the long barreled guns are for.
I didn't say that he hunted with the glock. I said he had ammunition in whatever he had for the hunt so he loaded that fine so why not the glock.
 
I don't know why this is being suggested because there are areas of Tenessee that are the opposite of what you have stated. Not all areas are the same in Tenessee.
Parts of TN are mountainous, difficult, and full of tangled vegetation, but it’s a walk through a children’s playground compared to northern Alaska. You absolutely cannot underestimate how vast, remote, and dangerous it is up there, especially if you don’t know what you’re doing. You can’t just take whatever you’ve learned hunting and camping in the lower 48 and cut & paste it for a trip in AK and think that it’s enough, it requires its own special knowledge, skills, gear/supplies, and you have to have good judgment and be able to be honest about your abilities and limitations.

As for the native peoples, they don’t have “nothing,” they have everything for surviving and thriving in the arctic thanks to tens of thousands of years of skills, knowledge, and wisdom. Steve and Chet could have benefitted from consulting with them.
 
As for the native peoples, they don’t have “nothing,” they have everything for surviving and thriving in the arctic thanks to tens of thousands of years of skills, knowledge, and wisdom. Steve and Chet could have benefitted from consulting with them.
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Great post, the whole thing!
Minor correction: SK and BC are the two TN hunters.
Chet is a local Alaskan who has been searching for SK. He has also been demonstrating how inadequate SK's skills were for that location. Even stuff like footwear choice, fabrics, uselessness of a Glock for bear encounters, what happens if you fall over in tundra, what happens if your battery (in your safety technology) dies, what it takes to get warm... His videos and points are on FB. He is VERY experienced in that terrain, and a moderate risk taker, but a lot of what he talks about is Backcountry Basics 101.
It doesn't appear actually that SK had adequate experience (note: basic substantial gear and backcountry 101 savvy were not present) to survive if anything went wrong (like a cold rainstorm) for lower -48, either. I am speculating that SK was used to going into the TN woods (or even out West) by the "seat of his pants", and mistook his luck for skilled experience.
 
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Great post, the whole thing!
Minor correction: SK and BC are the two TN hunters.
Chet is a local Alaskan who has been searching for SK. He has also been demonstrating how inadequate SK's skills were for that location. Even stuff like footwear choice, fabrics, uselessness of a Glock for bear encounters, what happens if you fall over in tundra, what happens if your battery (in your safety technology) dies, what it takes to get warm... His videos and points are on FB. He is VERY experienced in that terrain, and a moderate risk taker, but a lot of what he talks about is Backcountry Basics 101.
It doesn't appear actually that SK had adequate experience (note: basic substantial gear and backcountry 101 savvy were not present) to survive if anything went wrong (like a cold rainstorm) for lower -48, either. I am speculating that SK was used to going into the TN woods (or even out West) by the "seat of his pants", and mistook his luck for skilled experience.
Thanks, I meant Bryan. Too late to edit now. Chet is the knowledgeable one.

I agree with your hypothesis that he thought he could wing it to some degree because he got lucky doing so in the lower 48 and didn’t understand how unforgiving Alaska is. You can’t wing it up there. I also think that his known gear wasn’t rated for much more than a summertime campout at a lower 48 state park; I looked up the tent and… oh hell no.

Having modern gear doesn’t mean squat if you don’t know how to use it or it’s wrong for the environment. The Inuit didn’t survive in the arctic for thousands of years sleeping in flimsy tents purchased at a Tennessee Walmart.
 
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IMHO Although I am athletic and do hiking I AM NOT an experienced back packer, remote camper, or knowledgeable hunter. There have been several cases recently where people out hiking, etc. have gone missing and people who have separated from their partner for various reasons. Unfortunately, there have been tragedies in those cases.
1. My uninformed question. Is it a normal practice to leave your campsite alone regardless of if you are familiar with the area? Walking 30 feet to go the the bathroom seems normal. Going 1/4 mile alone in a remote unfamiliar area not so much. Would it be dangerous to be carrying raw meat back to the campsite?
2. Would they be hunting for anything else to continue camping? Please remember I'm not experienced so my questions may sound dumb. Seems like they did well. Is it common to cook some of the meat?
3. I'm not accusing, just asking. Would it be likely that a person would sleep in the van and wait before reporting their friend missing?

Members have been providing excellent experienced information. Thanks all. Thanks for your patience with my bumbling questions.
Everything about this seems normal .....until it doesn't. Hope for the best outcome.
 
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