AK AK - Steve Keel, 61, missing from hunting trip, from TN - Aug 27, 2022

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All that said he shouldn't be far IMO. As I've stated before in my reasons. He should be in the general vicinity. I mean talking of hypothermia, exhaustion, lack of food and water should make it even more so. Myabe lets say one day's travel. IMO yes its further away but its still in the general vicinity. I'm sorry but if they did a grid search I don't see how they wouldn't have found him. Which I suspect SAR and LE did & that is why they are themselves puzzled at to what happened to Steve. It isn't as simple as it appears. JMOO.
I think more than what LE and SAR did, you have to look at the sons who were VERY motivated to find their dad, and the group of guys from their hometown in Tennessee who were also VERY motivated to find him and return home heroes. These two groups weren't just checking the boxes - they were invested emotionally in finding him. And they weren't able to. In my opinion, that means he's not in the area these two groups searched.
 
This article was posted on the official Search for Steve facebook. If you blow it up, you can read it - this is the first time I've heard the pack of caribou meat was found "on the trail". So not just in some random area in the area, on a trail. You can also find the article as a link, but it's behind a paywall.

 
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I don't get it if predators aren't in the area, its summer temps. Thers don't appear to be quicksand sinkholes in the area then. There are no cliffs to fall from then what is the danger that can occur. No one else has gotten lost so far in this search for Steve. The other thing I want to ask is he had a glock on him apparently it was wasn't hunting rifle, but okay, say his pack was heavy a glock weighs at least 1.7lbs. So if his pack was a burden then his gun would also be. I wonder how much his pack weighed? If its a standard backpack then say roughly 5lbs. I am going to assume not more than 10 more likely less than ten. That is only 6.7lbs or only a little bit mor that he was carrying along with with his glock. Plus why abandon one's pack not far from the campsite. It wasn't like Steve had walked a long long long distance. So why abandon it here and not farther away. This to does not make sense. What all of a sudden he became weak? If he was that weak then why not rest? If he was that weak he would be closeby. But he is not so I doubt he was weak. IDK this is odd to me for these reasons and obviously as discussed by others those questions/observations too. Its not as simple as some are making it to be. He abandoned his pack in the daytime not at night, also remember that.
I keep going back to SK’s pack too. Not the meat, but the one the guy out there searching with his dog said he found. He said he sound SK’s pack.
 
This article was posted on the official Search for Steve facebook. If you blow it up, you can read it - this is the first time I've heard the pack of caribou meat was found "on the trail". So not just in some random area in the area, on a trail. You can also find the article as a link, but it's behind a paywall.

I realize it is paywalled, but I can't access the Search for Steve page. Could you please share the article link here?
TIA
 
All that said he shouldn't be far IMO. As I've stated before in my reasons. He should be in the general vicinity. I mean talking of hypothermia, exhaustion, lack of food and water should make it even more so. Myabe lets say one day's travel. IMO yes its further away but its still in the general vicinity. I'm sorry but if they did a grid search I don't see how they wouldn't have found him. Which I suspect SAR and LE did & that is why they are themselves puzzled at to what happened to Steve. It isn't as simple as it appears. JMOO.
I haven’t seen any signal that local LE and SAR are puzzled by why they couldn’t find SK. AFAIK they assume he’s in the area, but there’s no benefit in searching longer. They’d be sacrificing their living clientele for recovery of a lost person they were unlikely to find. Tundra swallows up people.
Do you have one of their statements handy to show they were puzzled?
 
This article was posted on the official Search for Steve facebook. If you blow it up, you can read it - this is the first time I've heard the pack of caribou meat was found "on the trail". So not just in some random area in the area, on a trail. You can also find the article as a link, but it's behind a paywall.

That might be the “Winter Trail” @Gardenista was referring to, that appears on some maps. There’s not foot traffic enough to create a trail…

I’d want first hand corroboration that that’s an actual trail, marked as such, for non-snow passage, before I could go with what might be fourth-hand info. I have a feeling we are getting deep into SM undigested rumor. For instance, someone might have noted @Gardenista ’s great find of the trail on the map, and run with it.

What difference would it make that the meat was found on a trail?
 
IMO posters are using “pack” as shorthand for “pack and meat”.
I guess I assumes they would have removed his meat pack when they put the meat in the lake? It sounded like the guy who found it, was referring to SK’s daypack or whatever it was he was using when he went missing. Maybe I misinterpreted that?
Surely the searchers who found his meat pack wouldn’t have left the pack the meat was in. I would hope not. But then again……
 
I haven’t seen any signal that local LE and SAR are puzzled by why they couldn’t find SK. AFAIK they assume he’s in the area, but there’s no benefit in searching longer. They’d be sacrificing their living clientele for recovery of a lost person they were unlikely to find. Tundra swallows up people.
Do you have one of their statements handy to show they were puzzled?
In the beginning it did appear that they were puzzled. Of course that is what I'm stating is that he should be in the general vicinity, I don't disagree with that. Nor do I disagree with their recovery effort. One looks at some aspects and goes "Really?" So some aspects are curious. I do suspect that they did do a grid search of the general area, perhaps gradually and he hasn't been found. As for the Tundra swallowing people up we can chalk that up to muskeg, and quicksand. Which in this case here thankfully no one has encountered or fallen into.
 
That might be the “Winter Trail” @Gardenista was referring to, that appears on some maps. There’s not foot traffic enough to create a trail…

I’d want first hand corroboration that that’s an actual trail, marked as such, for non-snow passage, before I could go with what might be fourth-hand info. I have a feeling we are getting deep into SM undigested rumor. For instance, someone might have noted @Gardenista ’s great find of the trail on the map, and run with it.

What difference would it make that the meat was found on a trail?
It would make a difference in that people walk on it and its possible it may keep predators away from the area even if it isn't a main trail but walked over occasionally.
 
I guess I assumes they would have removed his meat pack when they put the meat in the lake? It sounded like the guy who found it, was referring to SK’s daypack or whatever it was he was using when he went missing. Maybe I misinterpreted that?
Surely the searchers who found his meat pack wouldn’t have left the pack the meat was in. I would hope not. But then again……
They did leave the tent, a white eyesore, completely inadequate weather-wise for anyone in AK....[Note the State of AK hunting handbook ^^^^ that calls for a dome tent with full fly, and which is pretty much standard for backcountry also in lower-48] They left both sets of antlers (BC and SK) and the "meat". They can't have had all their meat this close to the road, though, because those caribou are heavy, and I'm not sure the hunters would have been able to get all their meat from their hunting camp to the base camp.
Law requires they pack it ALL out, including ALL the meat, even if it goes bad.
It's very possible they didn't take the pack, either.
IMO the family needs to pay someone to go pick everything up, since the sons and searchers didn't pack it out after SK went missing.

If BC couldn't pack their stuff out after several runs between base camp and the vehicle, how on earth were he and SK packing everything out from the hunt camp? SK was clearly not in good shape [see AK Hunter Handbook for what AK considers "good shape" for hunting for caribou].

So many logistical questions....
 
This post strongly suggests they're withholding information pertinent to the search for Mr. Keel. This would be appropriate if this is a criminal investigation - I'm not sure what the value of withholding information is, if this is a simple missing persons investigation and there are locals and occasionally truckers who are putting in efforts in Alaska to locate him. Why withhold information?

 
This post strongly suggests they're withholding information pertinent to the search for Mr. Keel. This would be appropriate if this is a criminal investigation - I'm not sure what the value of withholding information is, if this is a simple missing persons investigation and there are locals and occasionally truckers who are putting in efforts in Alaska to locate him. Why withhold information?

Very weird. It says there's an "investigation", and like any investigation not all facts are public?
 
I think more than what LE and SAR did, you have to look at the sons who were VERY motivated to find their dad, and the group of guys from their hometown in Tennessee who were also VERY motivated to find him and return home heroes. These two groups weren't just checking the boxes - they were invested emotionally in finding him. And they weren't able to. In my opinion, that means he's not in the area these two groups searched.
The problem I see here: failure to find a missing person doesn't mean they aren't there.

The sons and home-searchers were indeed emotionally invested in finding SK, and their energy would have been helpful, but they're not trained SAR, and they weren't being supervised by SAR. Search and rescue has very strict protocols to be successful. They search in specific ways, using specific algorithms. Without those, there's not really a conclusive search. Even with those, remains can turn up years later in the areas that have been searched.

IMO the boxes were checked, but, as in so many cases, remains were not found. Perhaps they will be found at some point. This does not mean they are not there.
 
This post strongly suggests they're withholding information pertinent to the search for Mr. Keel. This would be appropriate if this is a criminal investigation - I'm not sure what the value of withholding information is, if this is a simple missing persons investigation and there are locals and occasionally truckers who are putting in efforts in Alaska to locate him. Why withhold information?

I am unable to access this post. Could you post a copy or summary of it? Thanks much!
 
I am unable to access this post. Could you post a copy or summary of it? Thanks much!
Here's the post:

It saddens me that this post has even become necessary. This group grew faster and bigger than expected. All the support for the Keel family is beyond amazing. This group was created with a few basic intentions which were:
- to share love and support to Liz and others affected by Steve's disappearance
- To share updates or information as it is ABLE to be shared. I emphasize "ABLE" because as with anything that is being investigated in any manner, not all information is given to the public.
- To share fundraisers or events to help with various aspects of efforts to bring Steve home.
With this now made clear this group IS NOT FOR
- Facebook investigators to share theories
- Killing any hope- by this I mean I see a lot "facing reality" or "thinking logically" comments, FULL STOP. We as humans have no right to try and forcefully remove the hope of another!
- Chet.... Chets efforts are appreciated. Unfortunately he has turned the focus off his efforts and onto creating wild notions, spreading fallacies or inaccurate information, bashing any and every local effort by anyone to help Liz. While some may believe his words, understand that Liz herself is in control of EVERYTHING and that's how it SHOULD be, so when he bashes other people, the truth is he is degrading Liz and her decisions and we WILL NOT tolerate that.
If you arent here to support and uplift Liz, then please just make an exit. Liz does not need the stress and drama. She and everyone else are doing the best they can and know how. If you feel that isnt good enough, then by all means, go do better.
 
I wonder if all the drama on Search for Steve is fallout from the offered reward? As @WingsOverTX pointed out ^^^^, a reward in this case pretty much invites unintended consequences, perhaps even some very risky behaviors.

And, is the reward only for finding SK alive? Or also for remains?
 
On his own FB site, from a day ago, Chet has a very long post about the tundra, what it takes to stay warm, etc. I would guess this is comeback to the accusations of "conspiracy theories". It seems very well-stated, actually. My estimation of this guy has gone up a lot!

He takes up the idea that SK could have kept himself alive by eating berries (yeah, right); that he could have survived by hunkering under a bush down into a tundra; that his poor state of fitness doesn't matter.....

This is like on-the-ground local AK version of what w'all have been saying on this thread about conditions, terrain, odds..

Very interesting on how tundra works....

The post is too long to cut and paste, but

 
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