AL AL - Danniella Vian, 24, Mobile, 17 Jul 2018 #4

[cedgison]

So do yall think this means that DW is being confirmed as car #3???

This has not been confirmed.

 

[whatinthekentuckyhell]

“Two days ago (September 22) I was at the Fairhope pier and I saw a woman by the fountain about her age, dark hair, and had a tattoo on her shoulder that looks like the flower design on Daniella’s shoulder. This woman was walking to a vehicle in a hurry with a small child. This morning I saw Daniella’s picture on the news and I recognized that tattoo immediately as the same or very close to the one I saw on that woman at the pier. I don’t know if this helps at all but I felt like I should at least mention it.”

This was left on the MPD blog

 

[Keyedin]

“Two days ago (September 22) I was at the Fairhope pier and I saw a woman by the fountain about her age, dark hair, and had a tattoo on her shoulder that looks like the flower design on Daniella’s shoulder. This woman was walking to a vehicle in a hurry with a small child. This morning I saw Daniella’s picture on the news and I recognized that tattoo immediately as the same or very close to the one I saw on that woman at the pier. I don’t know if this helps at all but I felt like I should at least mention it.”

This was left on the MPD blog

I saw that too. How CRAZY would that be if she was just over at neighboring Baldwin County?!

 

[otto]

I realize this question is a couple of days late, but there was a discussion about the time to travel from The Dublin to the Shell station.

11:07 DW leaves Shell station
11:24 Car 3 leaves Shell station
11:37 DW is at The Dublin, has retrieved Danni's phone, texted friends about it

If DW is not Car 3, then he has 30 minutes to travel and retrieve phone
If DW is Car 3, then he has 13 minutes to travel, park, retrieve phone, text

Having looked at all sorts of routes, I can't find one where travel time from the Shell station to The Dublin is between 8 and 10 minutes (assuming at least 3 minutes to park the car, retrieve the phone), yet I'm pretty sure I read that the travel time was 11 minutes. Does anyone know that route?

 

[Keyedin]

I realize this question is a couple of days late, but there was a discussion about the time to travel from The Dublin to the Shell station.

11:07 DW leaves Shell station
11:24 Car 3 leaves Shell station
11:37 DW is at The Dublin, has retrieved Danni's phone, texted friends about it

If DW is not Car 3, then he has 30 minutes to travel and retrieve phone
If DW is Car 3, then he has 13 minutes to travel, park, retrieve phone, text

Having looked at all sorts of routes, I can't find one where travel time from the Shell station to The Dublin is between 8 and 10 minutes (assuming at least 3 minutes to park the car, retrieve the phone), yet I'm pretty sure I read that the travel time was 11 minutes. Does anyone know that route?

Maybe traffic was light....

 

[otto]

@Keyedin regarding the press conference.

Some people are cooperative, some are not. I would think that anyone who is not cooperative would be at the top of the suspect list. There's only one person we're aware of who has a constantly changing alibi. I'm very curious whether this person falls into the "uncooperative" category.

 

[otto]

Maybe traffic was light....

This map is taken now, with some lighter traffic and otherwise usual traffic for this time of day. The second map is a night map, IIRC. Still, in order for DW to be a suspect, I think we need the travel time to be less than 10 minutes.

Putting myself in his shoes, wouldn't he park his car and then look around the parking lot to see if Danni's car pulls in? Then he would look in the parking lot where she was parked. Next he would go into The Dublin and ask about the phone. It takes a few minutes to get the message to the person who knows where the phone is and to retrieve it.

 

[3dzer0]

I realize this question is a couple of days late, but there was a discussion about the time to travel from The Dublin to the Shell station.

11:07 DW leaves Shell station
11:24 Car 3 leaves Shell station
11:37 DW is at The Dublin, has retrieved Danni's phone, texted friends about it

If DW is not Car 3, then he has 30 minutes to travel and retrieve phone
If DW is Car 3, then he has 13 minutes to travel, park, retrieve phone, text

Having looked at all sorts of routes, I can't find one where travel time from the Shell station to The Dublin is between 8 and 10 minutes (assuming at least 3 minutes to park the car, retrieve the phone), yet I'm pretty sure I read that the travel time was 11 minutes. Does anyone know that route?

That time on a weeknight you could make it in 10 to 15 minutes if you didn't catch any red lights.

One thing that you may be forgetting, DW said he was at Dublin's when he texted. That does not mean he was there.

 

[otto]

I think the timeline excludes DW as Car 3, and I think that Danni's June 17 list of goals exclude voluntary disappearance.

That leaves two options: Car 3 followed Danni from The Dublin (targeted), or Car 3 was already near the Shell station and saw an opportunity to abduct Danni and steal a car (random).

Regardless of random or targeted, Car 3 had at least two occupants, they were immediately aware of the GPS, and they needed roughly 15 minutes to disable the GPS - which I understand is longer than it should take an experienced car thief.

 

[Keyedin]

This map is taken now, with some lighter traffic and otherwise usual traffic for this time of day. The second map is a night map, IIRC. Still, in order for DW to be a suspect, I think we need the travel time to be less than 10 minutes.

Putting myself in his shoes, wouldn't he park his car and then look around the parking lot to see if Danni's car pulls in? Then he would look in the parking lot where she was parked. Next he would go into The Dublin and ask about the phone. It takes a few minutes to get the message to the person who knows where the phone is and to retrieve it.

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I would think at that point, the majority of the patrons at Dublins would have cleared out, so likely he could have pulled in pretty close to wherever they were previously parked and stopped to look. Maybe he didn't actually pull into a parking spot? If she'd given a pretty good indication of where she thought it was and had been certain it was outside, maybe he thought it would be a quick stop until she didn't show up? Also, he likely went over the speed limit- don't most maps take that into consideration when calculating the travel time?

 

[otto]

That time on a weeknight you could make it in 10 to 15 minutes if you didn't catch any red lights.

One thing that you may be forgetting, DW said he was at Dublin's when he texted. That does not mean he was there.

Exactly. He said that he was at the Shell station, but that doesn't mean he was there.

 

[otto]

I suppose that if he didn't park his car, wasn't at The Dublin, and sped on his return trip to The Dublin, then Car 3 might be DW. If we have to modify his story to make the timeline fit, why don't we modify it such that he was never at the Shell station?

Alternatively, we could accept that he was at the Shell station, that he didn't speed on the way to the Shell station (travel time was 20 minutes 10:45 - 11:05) so there's no reason to assume that he decided to speed on the way back to The Dublin, that he did park his car at the Dublin, and that he did have Danni's phone at The Dublin at 11:37.

 

[Keyedin]

I think the timeline excludes DW as Car 3, and I think that Danni's June 17 list of goals exclude voluntary disappearance.

That leaves two options: Car 3 followed Danni from The Dublin (targeted), or Car 3 was already near the Shell station and saw an opportunity to abduct Danni and steal a car (random).

Regardless of random or targeted, Car 3 had at least two occupants, they were immediately aware of the GPS, and they needed roughly 15 minutes to disable the GPS - which I understand is longer than it should take an experienced car thief.

I don't think you should bank on Car 3 being the GPS disabler. There's nothing concrete that indicates anyone got out of the vehicles as of right now. However, I DO think we should consider an additional person in DNV's car. There are too many discrepancies about whether she was the driver or occupant. LE has not said either way.

 

[Keyedin]

Also, there was a report that the GPS was turned off. Now- this reads tremendously different than the gps was disabled. Turned off makes it sound like a personal GPS or something not installed by the car company to track a vehicle they have a loan on. It also sounds less ominous. Like someone was just like, okay I know where I'm going, I don't need this anymore.

 

[otto]

I don't think you should bank on Car 3 being the GPS disabler. There's nothing concrete that indicates anyone got out of the vehicles as of right now. However, I DO think we should consider an additional person in DNV's car. There are too many discrepancies about whether she was the driver or occupant. LE has not said either way.

We don't know anything about what happened at the Shell station after Car 3 arrived. There's nothing concrete to suggest that everyone stayed in their vehicles at the Shell station. Furthermore, if CCTV footage from the Shell station was useful, police would know the make and model of Car 3. It seems that they don't have this information, so it seems that the footage is a bit useless.

The police blog site states that at the Shell station, Danni was occupying her car. There is no reason to assume that this was the case when she left The Dublin. In fact, according to witness DW, she was driving her car at The Dublin.

 

[otto]

Also, there was a report that the GPS was turned off. Now- this reads tremendously different than the gps was disabled. Turned off makes it sound like a personal GPS or something not installed by the car company to track a vehicle they have a loan on. It also sounds less ominous. Like someone was just like, okay I know where I'm going, I don't need this anymore.

That would imply that Danni chose to disappear. What else about her life supports that option?

 

[ChiCubs2016]

JTD just said in the closed group - "I have been thinking about all of this and I have come to the conclusion that the 3 last seen with Danni may truly not know any more information than they have already given. It was told to me that Danny and DW were seen leaving the Shell station and were able to be followed by surveillance to a point to where the two split off and went into different directions. This being said, we have no major leads to follow to find her." also said LE is who told her this new info

ETA: she just added - "they would not give me a direction. They would not even tell me where they were when they split off. But it was my assumption when he told me this that DW was headed towards Dublin's and Danni split off into a different direction"

So do yall think this means that DW is being confirmed as car #3???

I am taking anything stated on the FB page with a grain of salt.

 

[ChiCubs2016]

That would imply that Danni chose to disappear. What else about her life supports that option?

I am not trying to push blame but honestly now that it is becoming clearer that the Table of 4 group could not be involved I think the next avenue folks are going to point at is DNV left voluntarily. Which I wholeheartedly do not believe.

 

[Keyedin]

We don't know anything about what happened at the Shell station after Car 3 arrived. There's nothing concrete to suggest that everyone stayed in their vehicles at the Shell station. Furthermore, if CCTV footage from the Shell station was useful, police would know the make and model of Car 3. It seems that they don't have this information, so it seems that the footage is a bit useless.

The police blog site states that at the Shell station, Danni was occupying her car. There is no reason to assume that this was the case when she left The Dublin. In fact, according to witness DW, she was driving her car at The Dublin.

According to the family that's what DW said. Reporters haven't received a statement from DW and I don't think it's been verified that she was in fact driving her car.

Assuming the GPS was just powered down doesn't mean she was leaving willingly. If the term occupying her vehicle doesn't equal driving her vehicle, it makes it much easier to understand someone else just turning it off. Actually, just had a thought, what if the GPS was being used to get directions to a specific place and the flashing lights signaled the exit and the GPS was no longer needed?

 

[otto]

According to the family that's what DW said. Reporters haven't received a statement from DW and I don't think it's been verified that she was in fact driving her car.

Assuming the GPS was just powered down doesn't mean she was leaving willingly. If the term occupying her vehicle doesn't equal driving her vehicle, it makes it much easier to understand someone else just turning it off. Actually, just had a thought, what if the GPS was being used to get directions to a specific place and the flashing lights signaled the exit and the GPS was no longer needed?

Do I understand correctly that you are suggesting that even though DW states that he and Danni left the parking lot together and she was following him, he's wrong and someone else was driving the car?

Is this based on the fact that police have stated that: at the Shell station, Danni was occupying her car?

Whether the GPS was disabled or turned off, after stopping at the Shell station the GPS was no longer transmitting a signal.

Since Danni forgot her phone at The Dublin, if she didn't flash her lights to alert DW to this fact, why did DW return to The Dublin to pick up her phone?